I’ve heard that from a lot of people. I pin everyday *micro dosing* so I’m able to mitigate some of the side effects with certain compounds. I did order enough primo for a Test+Primo cycle. I’ll add an oral the last 4 weeks. I don’t want to compete, also don’t want to train natty because literally, fuck that. I do it for the fun, and look good while staying as healthy and safe as I possibly can. So depending on how much I like primo, I might always stick with test and NPP/Deca. Obviously it’s a lot cheaper, but I’ve actually never gained too well with nandrolone. Even when eating a ton. That’s why I’m trying primo. I always hear good things about it “as safer, but weaker Tren” is a term I hear thrown around