It definitely doesn't do it for me like these other guys either. It's about like taking preworkout for me. Tried 50mg and 100mg. Gonna try some mtren preworkout and see how that does.
Remember what I said about the mtren. Start off small and work your way up to a tolerable dose. It is alarmingly strong.... the only reason I added it to the list is because I had several world class PL's who kept begging for me to carry it so I did.