Uncle Chad’s Test 300 cycle

[marsupial]

my CRP was never elevated but i never went above ~1g of gear combined. it’s my first time trying Test/Primo/Var and i’ll be checking my bloods tomorrow.
i’d recommend a minimum of 7-8 hours of sleep per night, keeping your body fat low, stress management and eating raw foods rather than processed foods.

Those suggestions make sense generally, but do you have any clinical experience or data to show that doing those things while taking supranormal doses of gear will lower CRP?

Is CRP a direct indication of some specific bodily pathology?

 

[Uncle Chad]

Those suggestions make sense generally, but do you have any clinical experience or data to show that doing those things while taking supranormal doses of gear will lower CRP?

Is CRP a direct indication of some specific bodily pathology?

ESR and CRP are the two values used to detect inflammation in the body. There are other inflammation markers that can be measured, but CRP is good for predicting cardiovascular risk and showing non-specific inflammation.

I cannot cite articles here, but a quick google search, ie "effect of sleep on CRP research" should point you in the right direction. There are not enough studies done on AAS users but the general consensus is that those things I mentioned decrease inflammation.

I'd suggest you follow a few pages on Instagram that like to cite research targeted towards bodybuilders: J3University, menno.henselmans and biolayne.

But I'll be totally honest with you: if you cycle without a coach, it's gonna be a rough road and you will make mistakes no matter how much you educate yourself. I value my coach for his personal experience with over 100 clients, not for his "book" knowledge.

 

[marsupial]

ESR and CRP are the two values used to detect inflammation in the body. There are other inflammation markers that can be measured, but CRP is good for predicting cardiovascular risk and showing non-specific inflammation.

I cannot cite articles here, but a quick google search, ie "effect of sleep on CRP research" should point you in the right direction. There are not enough studies done on AAS users but the general consensus is that those things I mentioned decrease inflammation.

I'd suggest you follow a few pages on Instagram that like to cite research targeted towards bodybuilders: J3University, menno.henselmans and biolayne.

But I'll be totally honest with you: if you cycle without a coach, it's gonna be a rough road and you will make mistakes no matter how much you educate yourself. I value my coach for his personal experience with over 100 clients, not for his "book" knowledge.

Reducing inflammation as much as possible is always a good thing, but my point is that one should probably put more stock into markers directly indicative of clinical pathology. I imagine a big portion of people on high doses will have high ESR/CRP no matter what other measures they take. High doses increase inflammation and are in effect bad for ones health, but one has to decide if they’re willing to accept that risk and if they’re willing to abstain from blasting later on while they recover.

All in all, I think there are better markers of clinical issues than esr/crp if one doesn’t have any other chronic health issues before starting gear. The best marker of lipid buildup is ApoB rather than the standard American lipid panel.

 

[Uncle Chad]

Reducing inflammation as much as possible is always a good thing, but my point is that one should probably put more stock into markers directly indicative of clinical pathology. I imagine a big portion of people on high doses will have high ESR/CRP no matter what other measures they take. High doses increase inflammation and are in effect bad for ones health, but one has to decide if they’re willing to accept that risk and if they’re willing to abstain from blasting later on while they recover.

All in all, I think there are better markers of clinical issues than esr/crp if one doesn’t have any other chronic health issues before starting gear. The best marker of lipid buildup is ApoB rather than the standard American lipid panel.

i just read up on why ApoB is used, that’s a really good point you’re bringing.
do you know of any other inflammation markers that bodybuilders would benefit from using?
my coach recently told be that GGT is a more specific marker for liver injury, rather than AST and ALT.

 

[nok]

i just read up on why ApoB is used, that’s a really good point you’re bringing.
do you know of any other inflammation markers that bodybuilders would benefit from using?
my coach recently told be that GGT is a more specific marker for liver injury, rather than AST and ALT.

I’ve known ggt to be better associated with gallbladder pathology.

Transaminases for liver. Alt>AST in fatty liver. AST>ALt in alcoholic liver disease. Platelets can be reviewed as an acute phase reactant. Ammonia with chronic disease.

 

[JG91]

Crazy thread. Huge gains since the start

Also how was Columbia? And if you were only going for 1 week then why not just inject the day before leaving? Half life of 5 days you’ll still be well beyond natty limits.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I was diagnosed with low T so I decided to hire a coach and get on the real grind.

Started the cycle on 06/14
Test E 300mg/wk: 100 mg Mon, Wed, Fri.

Supps:
Trader Joe’s Multivitamins
L-Glutamine 5g before first meal
Potassium Chloride 2g preworkout
Arginine 1g preworkout
Ornithine 0.5g preworkout
Salt 4g preworkout
Magnesium Glycinate 420mg
Probiotic capsules
Fiber 10g at night
NAC 600mg
Omega 650 EPA/450 DHA

So far:
day 5: up 4 lbs since the beginning. coach explained it as an expected process due to water retention.

day 9: a definite increase in libido.

day 15: weight keeps going up, 12 lbs up since the beginning. Fast strength gains just from 2 weeks of test, I am astonished.

Disclaimer: I’m really busy with work and taking boards in one week so posts might be inconsistent.

Hi Chad,

Careful with the multivitamin as it countains B6 in the form of pyridoxine and not P5P, which could cause nerve damage if used long term

 

[Uncle Chad]

Crazy thread. Huge gains since the start

Also how was Columbia? And if you were only going for 1 week then why not just inject the day before leaving? Half life of 5 days you’ll still be well beyond natty limits.

Columbia was really good, so much cheap food and fun tours. I did end up front loading my dosages for the week and felt absolutely fine. Me and my friend put in 3 workouts while being there and tried eating with high amounts of protein. (majority of their food is very fatty so you gotta ask for double chicken all the time)

 

[Uncle Chad]

Hi Chad,

Careful with the multivitamin as it countains B6 in the form of pyridoxine and not P5P, which could cause nerve damage if used long term

oh yes sir, i don’t want that peripheral neuropathy coming for me.

 

[Uncle Chad]

One year progress since i hopped on gear and started working with my coach. 2 cycles done so far. +35 lbs of lean mass.
Lately i’ve been eating ~3400 calories a day and we’re going to do an aggressive cut with 1500 calories for 4-5 weeks.
Also switching to 150 mg Test only this period of 4-5 weeks. (hopefully i don’t lose too much lean mass since my nitrogen balance will take about 1 month to fall back into the natty range)

 

[JG91]

One year progress since i hopped on gear and started working with my coach. 2 cycles done so far. +35 lbs of lean mass.
Lately i’ve been eating ~3400 calories a day and we’re going to do an aggressive cut with 1500 calories for 4-5 weeks.
Also switching to 150 mg Test only this period of 4-5 weeks. (hopefully i don’t lose too much lean mass since my nitrogen balance will take about 1 month to fall back into the natty range)
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This is what progress thread are all about!


On the first page you mentioned you were concerned about your hair. I see you’ve run primo since. How’s the hair line holding up?

 

[Doog33]

Incredible read!! Now that you’ve got two cycles under your belt, can you describe your thoughts on the compounds used? Did you feel a difference between the test+primo vs test+eq. Prefer one vs the other etc. anything on it Is appreciated

Great work

 

[lukiss96]

One year progress since i hopped on gear and started working with my coach. 2 cycles done so far. +35 lbs of lean mass.
Lately i’ve been eating ~3400 calories a day and we’re going to do an aggressive cut with 1500 calories for 4-5 weeks.
Also switching to 150 mg Test only this period of 4-5 weeks. (hopefully i don’t lose too much lean mass since my nitrogen balance will take about 1 month to fall back into the natty range)
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Good progress, so first cycle was 300mg Test only and what was the second one?