i have heard of guys running low doses of var in the first 2 weeks like you had mentioned before
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i have heard of guys running low doses of var in the first 2 weeks like you had mentioned before
this guy was running 10mg wk1 and 5mg wk2 of PCT with his SERMS
I think we would all jump on any proof that a bridge would work. Everyone hates PCT but it is necessary. If you could run anything on off cycle and it would help and not screw you up we all would be doing it. I say taper with prop,do a proper PCT and then come back stronger. I think the important thing is continuing your diet and workout program. Avoid getting lazy because you feel worthless.
Half life of prop is too long. It wouldn't be a bridge into another cycle but a bridge into a proper PCT. My hypothetical scenario was to run low dose of Var (10mg and tapering down) during PCT. However, you extend PCT 2 more weeks or for however long you run the low dose of var. So if you run nolvadex for 4 weeks you would instead run it 6 weeks with he first 2 weeks having a low dose of var that tapers down.
When you continue the same workout plan and diet you were running on cycle you are going to most likely become fat from the excessive caloric intake. And you would become overtrained from the volume and intensity of the same workout routine. This would result in you becoming fat and weak. I lower volume and try to maintain the weight lifted on cycle during PCT and I do maintain the caloric excess even though I start packing on fat.
The whole point of the low dose, low potency oral is to help prevent the rollback effect while slowly recovering. This happens because at low dosages certain orals will allow you to start recovering slowly. This would help you bridge into a proper PCT, possibly avoiding a severe loss of gains.
This is all hypothetical since I have not tried it yet. But I didn't come up with the idea on my own either.
I would be interested on hearing from somebody who has done this and had blood work done, so they can share their experience.
I think people are under the impression that I am suggesting a bridge by running anavar throughout entire PCT. I am suggesting running a low dose oral for 2 weeks post cycle and running a serm for 6 weeks post cycle. You would still be running a proper PCT unless you think 4 weeks is not long enough. I was suggesting adding however many weeks you run low dose oral to your amount of time using a serm. So if you normally run pct for say 6 weeks, and you take a low dose oral 2 weeks post cycle, you add those 2 weeks on to the 6 weeks you are running pct, which would be 8 weeks in all.
When you continue the same workout plan and diet you were running on cycle you are going to most likely become fat from the excessive caloric intake. And you would become overtrained from the volume and intensity of the same workout routine. This would result in you becoming fat and weak. I lower volume and try to maintain the weight lifted on cycle during PCT and I do maintain the caloric excess even though I start packing on fat.
The whole point of the low dose, low potency oral is to help prevent the rollback effect while slowly recovering. This happens because at low dosages certain orals will allow you to start recovering slowly. This would help you bridge into a proper PCT, possibly avoiding a severe loss of gains.
This is all hypothetical since I have not tried it yet. But I didn't come up with the idea on my own either.
I would be interested on hearing from somebody who has done this and had blood work done, so they can share their experience.
I think people are under the impression that I am suggesting a bridge by running anavar throughout entire PCT. I am suggesting running a low dose oral for 2 weeks post cycle and running a serm for 6 weeks post cycle. You would still be running a proper PCT unless you think 4 weeks is not long enough. I was suggesting adding however many weeks you run low dose oral to your amount of time using a serm. So if you normally run pct for say 6 weeks, and you take a low dose oral 2 weeks post cycle, you add those 2 weeks on to the 6 weeks you are running pct, which would be 8 weeks in all.
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Oh I understand what your referring to BUT there is one HUGE PROBLEM that most mates and physicians alike don't understand, YOU CAN'T TITRATE HTPA RECOVERY!!
It either secrets LH effectively (at appropriate doses, stimuli, timing and duration) or it does NOT! So when you add an exogenous AAS to the works during the HTPA restoration process (AKA PCT) your creating a physiologic dichotomy!
That is (AND THIS IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A METABOLIC BASIS) YOUR USING ONE SUBSTANCE, LIKE VAR, WHICH DECREASES LH SECRETION AND THE OTHER, LIKE CLOMID, ENHANCES LH SECRETION. GOT IT?
MATE YOU SIMPLY CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, BECAUSE THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!
However what can be done is use AAS with shorter half lives as bridge TO PCT. That will decrease the period in which there are NO AAS on board.
What types of AAS are optimally suited for PCT bridging? That will depend upon the potency, number AND DURATION of those cycles which proceeded it.
Does it work, you bet it does and in fact IME, for those heavy AAS users it's the ONLY way for them to tolerate the inevitable crash.
Look I'm talking about BB who have been "high end" cycling for years OR "bridging" between cycles for a longer period, never allowing complete HTPA recovery. (Quite a few need a several year "bridge" and begin TRT at that juncture,
with attempts at reversing the HTPA suppression a few months later)
The bottom line these mates have been on AAS for years and the only way many can tolerate the upcoming crash is a period of low dose AAS.
BEST
JIM
Thanks for the reply. I see where your coming from. You can use something like a low dose of var to bridge into pct but you wouldn't use the serm until you are done taking the var because it would be pointless. Would it be beneficial running aromasin for the 2 weeks that you are taking a low dose of var (tapering)?
jj
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Look I'm talking about BB who have been "high end" cycling for years OR " bridging" between cycles for a longer period,[/I] never allowing complete HTPA recovery.
(Quite a few need several months or years of therapeutic "bridging" and begin TRT at that juncture, with attempts at reversing the HTPA suppression a few months later)
I referred to what BB do between cycles as "bridging" NOT. It's called "cruising" (as you mates know) but the difference is significant while cruising is a trite occurrence for BB whom are feeling guilty since they have cycled for ONE YEAR, bridging is a therapeutic effort to restore the HTPA, and cruising is anything but!
(Although some BB actually cruising at half their AAS dose enables their HTPA to also recover 50%, "I just felt it neede a break from all the heavy AAS doc, or one HALF is better than 100% suppression,or it's gotta be better for my pituitary sir, [
)] I mean I'm no longer kicking it's ass with Deca 500, TT 750, and MASTER 750: yep I could feel the difference after I cut everything in half!:bullshit:
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JIM
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Good question BUT, since Var does not aromatize using an AI could very well result in a significant reduction of E-2 levels. Recall, TT levels SHOULD also be relatively low during this interval also.
jim
Oop! IMPORTANT CORRECTION!!
Last paragraph: ........Athough some body builders BELIEVE (insert) cruising at HALF their current AAS dose ............
JIM
Last paragraph: ........Athough some body builders BELIEVE (insert) cruising at HALF their current AAS dose ............
JIM
Well I honestly hope information of that nature will aid more seasoned veteran like yourself also.
jim
jim
The only problem with what your saying is you have not recovered your HPTA,you are mearly continuing you cycle at a low dose.You should start another thread discussing this.This thread is about using a AI to recover your HPTA,still using an AAS will lengthen your recovery.
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raysugar1234
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That's a good idea then Guy, use the Var during the bridge period then start a normal PCT.. Is this what your going to do then?
Yeah if I can get my hands on some var I will. My source has been out of orals for awhile that's why I started messing with the methylstenbolone. I will probably give it a shot next cycle. This cycle I am going to just run torem with aromasin for pct to see if aromasin helps any. I went back with my usual source for research chems and the stuff I have got from them is on point. I hope they don't dupe me on the torem though 
, I have never ran torem b4 but clomid has too many sides I got through a mid life crisis every time I run clomid. If their torem doesn't come up right I will go with tamoxifen. If I am satisfied with torem + aromasin pct I wont bother with the bridge method until I need it. I still have to determine what doses I am going to run torem and aromasin at for pct.
I have been using aromasin this cycle and it is legit I am not getting the estrogen sides I was getting when I ran cems adex (bunk).
, I have never ran torem b4 but clomid has too many sides I got through a mid life crisis every time I run clomid. If their torem doesn't come up right I will go with tamoxifen. If I am satisfied with torem + aromasin pct I wont bother with the bridge method until I need it. I still have to determine what doses I am going to run torem and aromasin at for pct. I have been using aromasin this cycle and it is legit I am not getting the estrogen sides I was getting when I ran cems adex (bunk).
Yeah if I can get my hands on some var I will. My source has been out of orals for awhile that's why I started messing with the methylstenbolone. I will probably give it a shot next cycle. This cycle I am going to just run torem with aromasin for pct to see if aromasin helps any. I went back with my usual source for research chems and the stuff I have got from them is on point. I hope they don't dupe me on the torem though
I have been using aromasin this cycle and it is legit I am not getting the estrogen sides I was getting when I ran cems adex (bunk).
without putting the name out there...does this source also have new lines being added to webpage that i've been waiting on for like a month?
yeh...man their products do NOT last very long
Yeah he is a very popular source. Soon as stuff lands it is gone. I don't know what is going on with the pressed tabs and the new brands. My buddy said he got a great batch of var from him one time then a crappy batch another (this was some time ago). Maybe he is getting his oral powder source in check. I doubt he wants any hiccups with all the money and popularity he has gained.
he's even a friend on fb lol.....and if you can get him to accept your friend request it opens you up to a vast amount of sources
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