W 18 drug

[CdnGuy]

A new synthetic opiate government pushing to add to the controlled substance list in Cdn. Is this drug in the states too ? Fentanyl is really bad here for fake oxy's. Killing alot of people. This is apparently alot worse.
Deadly new street drug 100 times stronger than fentanyl

 

[Prairie Boy]

Yup its bad.we already got it out here on the prairies.something like to od deaths a month so far.fucking crazy,the amount of 2 grains of salt is all that's needed to get fuct up!Fuck that shit and the fucktard that started remaking it!

 

[CdnGuy]

Thank over seas, and greedy remorseless drug pusher. Preying on the already sick victims. Pathetic...

 

[Prairie Boy]

Word is it was some guys in edmonton that got ahold of the formula and started making it.also passing it off as fentynl which is fucking bad enough

 

[DedLift]

There's been a ton of od's in my area this year. More than any other year I guess. Very potent stamp bags are killing lots of addicts. I see it on the news every now and then at work and think "glad I'm not doing that shit anymore" because I'd have been on the hunt for those babies. More and more people are turning to drugs as a way to numb themselves from the stress of everyday life. Is truly an epidemic and it's sad that a lot of good people are being turned inside out

 

[jacked44]

The medics give wounded service members Fentanyl losenges or suckers to suck on when they are wounded in the field of combat. True story.

 

[Prairie Boy]

There's a good reason for that,prob not something people wanna be using

 

[Whoremoans]

Man there are a lot of overhyped opiate analogs out there, but there are also some that are so powerful that a microgram dosage can kill you. The world of research Chem drugs is a dark and dangerous place. Ancillaries aren't the only things available in RC form I assure you.

 

[Megadick3000]

Word is it was some guys in edmonton that got ahold of the formula and started making it.also passing it off as fentynl which is fucking bad enough

Lmao so not true. A very well known Chinese factory has been selling w 18, it's all coming from them, trust me on this. For $500 I can get enough from said factory to make 10kg of mimetic heroin, which retails for about $125,000/kg here in Canada...

 

[Megadick3000]

A new synthetic opiate government pushing to add to the controlled substance list in Cdn. Is this drug in the states too ? Fentanyl is really bad here for fake oxy's. Killing alot of people. This is apparently alot worse.
Deadly new street drug 100 times stronger than fentanyl

It's not really "worse", it just needs to be cut using wet granulation. So does fentanyl. You cannot dry cut chemicals of this potency, you will get hot spots in the mixture, but if you do a process used in the pharma industry called wet granulation you can reliably cut the substance.

Wet granulation is the process of dissolving the active drug in a solvent so it's a liquid, then adding that to dry inert filler powder, at a specific ratio of wet to dry so as to get the dry powder into a consistency similar to crumbled feta cheese. In my experiences this ratio is best achieved by using 4ml of aqueous solution to every 20 grams of inert filler powder such as inositol.

You then tap it through a sieve onto a casserole dish and put it in an oven for a few minutes in low heat to dry it out. Or if you've got one, use a rotary evaporator.

 

[CdnGuy]

It's not worse than fentanyl ? I beg to differ...


'W-18,' described as 100 times more potent than fentanyl, found in Lower Mainland - NEWS 1130

 

[Megadick3000]

It's not worse than fentanyl ?


'W-18,' described as 100 times more potent than fentanyl, found in Lower Mainland - NEWS 1130

It's more than 100x the potency of fentanyl actually. Let me break some of them down.

Morphine = morphine
Heroin = 2x the potency of morphine
Fentanyl = 50x the potency of morphine
Carfentanil = 10,000x the potency of morphine
W-18 = 18,000x the potency of morphine
4-fluoro-beta-Hydroxy-3-methyl-fentanyl = 18,100x the potency of morphine

And supposedly, although I don't recall the nomenclature, there's an even stronger derivative of fentanyl developed a few years ago that exceeded 20,000x the potency of morphine.

Just because something's more potent doesn't mean it can't be safely taken.

If something is 10,000x the strength of morphine, then it means you need to take 1/10,000th the dosage to get the same effect as an equipotent dosage of morphine.

But no one trafficking this shit to users is selling it in pure form. So however potent it is verse morphine doesn't matter so long as they are cutting it appropriately based on its potency.

 

[CdnGuy]

I will sleep better now knowing that any drug taken at a proper dose is safe ! You think these cocksuckers(dealers) that are mixing this stuff give 2 shit about safety????? Lol lay off the weed bro

 

[D-Ballin]

It's more than 100x the potency of fentanyl actually. Let me break some of them down.

Morphine = morphine
Heroin = 2x the potency of morphine
Fentanyl = 50x the potency of morphine
Carfentanil = 10,000x the potency of morphine
W-18 = 18,000x the potency of morphine
4-fluoro-beta-Hydroxy-3-methyl-fentanyl = 18,100x the potency of morphine

And supposedly, although I don't recall the nomenclature, there's an even stronger derivative of fentanyl developed a few years ago that exceeded 20,000x the potency of morphine.

Just because something's more potent doesn't mean it can't be safely taken.

If something is 10,000x the strength of morphine, then it means you need to take 1/10,000th the dosage to get the same effect as an equipotent dosage of morphine.

But no one trafficking this shit to users is selling it in pure form. So however potent it is verse morphine doesn't matter so long as they are cutting it appropriately based on its potency.

True. But the danger comes from the ease of sourcing, and the knowledge of those cutting.

In the case of 4f, it's literally a WMD. Just the process of cutting it requires a decent lab. We know that's not how it works. We're talking about product so powerful that a sneeze while working will kill everyone in a five foot radius. And no narcan shots are bringing your ass back from it. . .

What's "worse"? Because for the drug scene, that kind of power, and the accountability required, is definitely a danger. Just depends on your viewpoint (and I kind of agree with you, but there comes a point. . .)

 

[Megadick3000]

I will sleep better now knowing that any drug taken at a proper dose is safe ! You think these cocksuckers that are mixing this stuff give 2 shit about safety????? Lol lay off the weed bro

Dead customers can't buy more drugs. so yes, they do care about preparing it correctly, if they didn't everyone taking it would die, but that's not the case, and believe me anyone seeking out w-18 is smart enough to know it must be cut using wet granulation.

The reason people are dying left and right gas to do with the highly selective micro subtype 1 opiate receptor agonist activity of these ultra potent opiates. Being so highly selective for mu-1 receptors means they cause extreme respiratory depression compared to traditional opiates at an equipotent dosage. Also cross tolerance is only partial between traditional opiates and the fully synthetics so even if someone's very tolerant to heroin they will only be partially as tolerant to fentanyl.

Further complicating the issue is that the factory I mentioned earlier, and a couple of their competitor factories, are offering many different fentanyl analogs which are being used on the black market, Each of these analogs has different potencies and almost all the ones these factories are currently selling (as seen on their websites which I could give you links to) are newly designed, meaning there is no clinical data on what their potencies actually are compared to morphine.

It's not just fentanyl, it's acetylfentanyl, isobutylfentanyl, thiofentanyl, hydroxyfentanyl, methyl fentanyl, etc. they are all bring pressed into pills, or mixed into fillers to make heroin mimetic powders by various criminal organizations. Also the Mexican cartels have also become involved in synthesizing fentanyl in Mexican labs. This started a few years ago when a well known fentanyl chemist locked up in California was released from prison, just months later being caught in a Mexican lab teaching a half dozen cartel guys how to synthesize it.

 

[CdnGuy]

Dealers care? Ok tell that to the families here that lost someone.....smh


B.C. declares public health emergency after 200 overdose deaths in 2016

 

[Megadick3000]

True. But the danger comes from the ease of sourcing, and the knowledge of those cutting.

In the case of 4f, it's literally a WMD. Just the process of cutting it requires a decent lab. We know that's not how it works. We're talking about product so powerful that a sneeze while working will kill everyone in a five foot radius. And no narcan shots are bringing your ass back from it. . .

What's "worse"? Because for the drug scene, that kind of power, and the accountability required, is definitely a danger. Just depends on your viewpoint (and I kind of agree with you, but there comes a point. . .)

Yes as it becomes more "known" more less advanced ppl will get their hands on it and improperly cut it. It used to only be acquired by the very advanced drug chemists, but it's gotten so mainstream and readily available from the Chinese that anyone can get a hold of it these days.

And your right 4-fluoro-ohmefenetanyl is definitely a WMD, heck even regular fentanyl is WMD. I mean VX nerve Gas, a WMD, is fatal in adults at an inhaled dosage of 10mg. But sonething like 4f is going to be fatal below 10mcg inhaled, which means it's literally 1000x more lethal than VX nerve gas, so if VX nerve gas is classified as a WMD anything more lethal would also be (or at least should be).

 

[tweek]

That is really fucked up man , first heard about it on the local news a little while back. First Alberta fatality linked to highly lethal street drug W-18 confirmed in Calgary

 

[CdnGuy]

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...AP4tXkdu94mAbqqRg&sig2=ignu8t9b-rrOzffWVXCmnw

 

[ergomaniac]

news.vice.com/article/canadas-ban-on-ultra-potent-drug-w-18-could-make-things-worse

"the canadian government has banned w-18, the powerful street drug routinely decried as 100 more times stronger than fentanyl - but critics say critics say it might do more harm than good in the battle against opioid overdoses across the country."
"on top of that, experts are questioning the science behind the governments alarmist claims about just how potent it is."
"while the statement from health canada on wednesday goes on to use the typical characterization of w-18 as a "synthetic opioid" that is "extremely dangerous and can be 100 times stronger than fentanyl," a number of drug experts say this might be inaccurate."
"brian roth, a pharmacology professor at the university of north carolina conducting a study of w-18, told the calgary herald there is no scientific evidence that the drug is even an opioid let alone that it is 100 times stronger than fentanyl."
" 'as far as I have been able to determine theres no scientific data on the compound other than this single patent. and in the patent, its really impossible to determine much about the compound' said roth. 'it could be a dangerous drug. we don't know'. "
"health canada did not immediately reply to a request from vice news regarding its evidence on w-18. one of the first claims that w-18 is '100 times stronger than fentanyl' appears to have been made by the calgary police in january of this year following a seizure of the substance."
".. british columbia provincial health officer doctor perry kendall takes a different stance and says that criminalizing w-18 will likely not make any difference"..."he would prefer to see the government focus more on reducing the overdose problem instead of criminalizing illicit substances."
"he pointed to france, where he said general practitioners can prescribe suboxone as an opiod replacement. 'this has reduced overdose deaths by 80 percent' said kendall. 'but here in bc, that ability to prescribe it is limited to a certain number of doctors.' "
"portugal is also a good example of a country that has limited drug addiction and deaths, he said. ' there, they have decriminalized all drugs, and when you compare it to other countries, it has far les overdoses than countries like canada where we have focused on making substances illegal. but this sort of shift in policy would require time.' "