W&M Analytical Liaison (U.S. Domestic)

[Weights & Measures]

Guys I will be back at my pc in a few hours and I will answer everyone.
My phone service is super sketchy where I am; but I will be back out of the woods this afternoon.
I apologize. I did not think I would have such poor cell service here.

 

[Thegreek]

Ok there seems to be a lot of unknowns to me but I had a long day and just read this thread. I have one question and it may be a stupid one. Regardless of what he decides on with a price point is it X amount of dollars per sample. Example 140$ for a raw hormone test and I want 5 separate hormones done. Is it 5x140=700$.

 

[Steve84]

Ok there seems to be a lot of unknowns to me but I had a long day and just read this thread. I have one question and it may be a stupid one. Regardless of what he decides on with a price point is it X amount of dollars per sample. Example 140$ for a raw hormone test and I want 5 separate hormones done. Is it 5x140=700$.

Yes essentially you are right on the 5 samples x 140.

What is the issue on pricing is he is saying that the 140 is a base price. If it's sustanon with 4 compounts its 140 +7.50+7.50+7.50 for the additional 3 esters.
So when you are paying you have to include a base price + what the blend is.
(Me personally I just want to see a price plain and simple)
140 or 150 Flat. Whatever that is.

 

[master.on]

Not so fast guys
at this point @Weights & Measures still has to prove that he owns a machine, even a fucking printer
let alone 5-6 figures chromatography equipment.

He just admitted he didn't get any reports from the machine
(so that means his reports are made up in Word or Exel)

 

[T-Bagger]

Not so fast guys
at this point @Weights & Measures still has to prove that he owns a machine, even a fucking printer
let alone 5-6 figures chromatography equipment.

He just admitted he didn't get any reports from the machine
(so that means his reports are made up in Word or Exel)

He doesn’t own anything dude... page 1

 

[Thegreek]

Yes essentially you are right on the 5 samples x 140.

What is the issue on pricing is he is saying that the 140 is a base price. If it's sustanon with 4 compounts its 140 +7.50+7.50+7.50 for the additional 3 esters.
So when you are paying you have to include a base price + what the blend is.
(Me personally I just want to see a price plain and simple)
140 or 150 Flat. Whatever that is.

Ok. Anyone else think that that price is kinda high. Analyzer was 60 a sample and I think each additional one after a certain amount was even less and that was mailed to Europe. I understand if you’re the only show in town you can kinda dictate your own prices but I have well over 5 samples that I could send for testing. For 700$ you could buy enough test raws for over 3000mls. I’m not trying to piss on testing but that just seems way to fucking high. I don’t want to hear about the whole knowing what’s going into your body. I get that but let’s be real. How many 100s of pins have we all done going on the assumption that what we were doing was G2G.

 

[Weights & Measures]

i was thinking... What if you place a flat price on oils and orals, then have the added fee if the person wants to test for contaminants?

You had the added fee for blended compounds. If your flat rate is set right, those extra fees that would have been charged are already covered from single ester testing.

Just a thought. i really hope this works out. Meso will be keeping you guys very busy if it does.

I agree with you guys.
I decided on a price that will satisfy the issue of possible multiple compounds in the sample.
I appreciate your input.

 

[Weights & Measures]

The price for any hormone or ancillary testing will be $145.00.

This will include identification and quantitation of all AAS or active pharmaceutical ingredient in the sample.

This price will apply to oil and powder samples.

 

[Weights & Measures]

This is all too confusing to me...with numbers flying out.

If I send you 4 different raws (1 gram samples)
What's the price for purity % and to tell me what compound it is.

I'm faithful...as I once had a student test things for me. He came back each time, with the right compound (despite only me knowing which sample was which)
Purity varied...clomid and cialis always came back with terrible purity, and npp did once.
This was before those Lil vial tests.

4 separate samples would be $580.

That will include identification and quantitation of all AAS and active pharmaceutical ingredients in the sample. Oils and powders are the same price.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Yes essentially you are right on the 5 samples x 140.

What is the issue on pricing is he is saying that the 140 is a base price. If it's sustanon with 4 compounts its 140 +7.50+7.50+7.50 for the additional 3 esters.
So when you are paying you have to include a base price + what the blend is.
(Me personally I just want to see a price plain and simple)
140 or 150 Flat. Whatever that is.

I took everyone's advice.
I made a flat price ($145) that will include coverage for multiple compounds in the sample.
I appreciate your input and suggestions.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Ok. Anyone else think that that price is kinda high. Analyzer was 60 a sample and I think each additional one after a certain amount was even less and that was mailed to Europe. I understand if you’re the only show in town you can kinda dictate your own prices but I have well over 5 samples that I could send for testing. For 700$ you could buy enough test raws for over 3000mls. I’m not trying to piss on testing but that just seems way to fucking high. I don’t want to hear about the whole knowing what’s going into your body. I get that but let’s be real. How many 100s of pins have we all done going on the assumption that what we were doing was G2G.

I completely agree with you that it is expensive.
For the sake of transparency; I will explain how it works for me and my association with this lab:

The lab charges me $100 for identification and quantitation of AAS and active pharmaceutical samples.
If multiple compounds are detected; there is a $7.50 charge to me for the additional reports for additional compounds.

My original price was $120; so I would send the lab $100 and keep the $20 for my shipping, time, and risk involved.

Then the subject of multiple compounds came up, specifically Sustanon.
I wouldn't be able to charge the original $120 and owe the lab $122.50 for the sustanon sample. That would suck for me.

So after multiple suggestions were made to make a flat price for AAS and ancillary samples, I decided on $140. But after speaking to the chemist, we decided to just keep all samples blind; rather than revealing whether there should be multiple compounds expected.

So, if I kept the price at $140, I would keep $17.50 per sample received. I didn't feel like that compensated my time and risk enough, so I decided on $145.

For my portion of the work:
I receive the sample from a customer.
I hand write the sample information on a requisition sheet that the lab sent me.
I package the sample in the manner they require (very anal-retentive if you ask me).
I mail the sample to the lab.
I receive the results from the lab.
I print the report and use whiteout to cover up the lab identification information (their rule).
Then I take a picture of that paper and send it back to the customer.

I do apologize for the price confusion.
I also hate that it isn't as cheap as Analyzer was; but they set the price and will only deal with me, so I decided I would make some money for the work and risk involved.

 

[master.on]

@Weights & Measures
When will you post reports as they come out of the chromatography machine as to prove you actually have one?

 

[Weights & Measures]

Not so fast guys
at this point @Weights & Measures still has to prove that he owns a machine, even a fucking printer
let alone 5-6 figures chromatography equipment.

He just admitted he didn't get any reports from the machine
(so that means his reports are made up in Word or Exel)

No I do not own a lab analysis machine; but I do own a "fucking" printer.

I proposed your request for additional printouts to the chemist and asked about sharing the raw data.
I was told that we will never get raw data; and that only an FDA auditor would be allowed to review the notes.
He will send me more information about the analysis of my sample when time allows.

My sample was sent in September; so it will have to be located in the system.

But no, I do not own any equipment; and I really wouldn't know how to begin using it if I did.
I did ask what kind of printer they use and he said HP.

We use a Cannon, so I guess they just have different brand preference.

 

[Weights & Measures]

@Weights & Measures
When will you post reports as they come out of the chromatography machine as to prove you actually have one?

When I get them.

 

[Thegreek]

I completely agree with you that it is expensive.
For the sake of transparency; I will explain how it works for me and my association with this lab:

The lab charges me $100 for identification and quantitation of AAS and active pharmaceutical samples.
If multiple compounds are detected; there is a $7.50 charge to me for the additional reports for additional compounds.

My original price was $120; so I would send the lab $100 and keep the $20 for my shipping, time, and risk involved.

Then the subject of multiple compounds came up, specifically Sustanon.
I wouldn't be able to charge the original $120 and owe the lab $122.50 for the sustanon sample. That would suck for me.

So after multiple suggestions were made to make a flat price for AAS and ancillary samples, I decided on $140. But after speaking to the chemist, we decided to just keep all samples blind; rather than revealing whether there should be multiple compounds expected.

So, if I kept the price at $140, I would keep $17.50 per sample received. I didn't feel like that compensated my time and risk enough, so I decided on $145.

For my portion of the work:
I receive the sample from a customer.
I hand write the sample information on a requisition sheet that the lab sent me.
I package the sample in the manner they require (very anal-retentive if you ask me).
I mail the sample to the lab.
I receive the results from the lab.
I print the report and use whiteout to cover up the lab identification information (their rule).
Then I take a picture of that paper and send it back to the customer.

I do apologize for the price confusion.
I also hate that it isn't as cheap as Analyzer was; but they set the price and will only deal with me, so I decided I would make some money for the work and risk involved.

I get it bro. Just sucks is all. I don’t blame you for charging a handling fee. You should see about getting discounts for multiple tests and talking to you chemist about lowering the price. I’m saying that for mine benefit. The benefit of the members but also the benefit for you and your chemist. You could have a serious gold mine on your hands but your bottom line needs to come down. Not being a dick. Just an opinion.

 

[Weights & Measures]

I get it bro. Just sucks is all. I don’t blame you for charging a handling fee. You should see about getting discounts for multiple tests and talking to you chemist about lowering the price. I’m saying that for mine benefit. The benefit of the members but also the benefit for you and your chemist. You could have a serious gold mine on your hands but your bottom line needs to come down. Not being a dick. Just an opinion.

I think they may give me a discount eventually.
The thing is that these guys definitely don't need our money.
The owner is literally the wealthiest person I have ever sat around and talked with. He has a Bentley AND a driver for it. Just ridiculous really.
He is doing it for me as a favor to a family member.
I'm sure he sees me as a dollar sign; but a smaller dollar sign than his current clients.

 

[JackSmooth]

@Weights & Measures going to need a pic of your printer

 

[ProfessorX]

I think they may give me a discount eventually.
The thing is that these guys definitely don't need our money.
The owner is literally the wealthiest person I have ever sat around and talked with. He has a Bentley AND a driver for it. Just ridiculous really.
He is doing it for me as a favor to a family member.
I'm sure he sees me as a dollar sign; but a smaller dollar sign than his current clients.

Wait....so you spoke to the “owner” of an accredited US lab that is driven around in a Bentley like Richie Rich

Does he prefer Grey Poupon Mustard?

Cmon now bro

What legit US Accredited lab is going to start taking scheduled substances on the regular to identify and quantify without any DEA LIC number

Lol

You physically sat down with the owner yet you mail the samples in?

What am I missing here

Some labs will identify a sample as unknown substance

But to quantify scheduled substances on the regular for $100 without any credentials or DEA LIC.....nah brah

And with no complete assay.....hmmmm

 

[Weights & Measures]

Wait....so you spoke to the “owner” of an accredited US lab that is driven around in a Bentley like Richie Rich

Does he prefer Grey Poupon Mustard?

Cmon now bro

What legit US Accredited lab is going to start taking scheduled substances on the regular to identify and quantify without any DEA LIC number

Lol

You physically sat down with the owner yet you mail the samples in?

What am I missing here

Some labs will identify a sample as unknown substance

But to quantify scheduled substances on the regular for $100 without any credentials or DEA LIC.....nah brah

And with no complete assay.....hmmmm

Yes, most of that is correct.
I did sit down with him and he does get driven around like Richie Rich.
Yes it is a registered lab with the FDA.
Yes I do have a DEA license.

I'm not sure what the complete assay for these compounds entails. I know I can get it done if I know what to ask for.

I mail the samples in because I live 2200 miles from the lab.

 

[ProfessorX]

Yes, most of that is correct.
I did sit down with him and he does get driven around like Richie Rich.
Yes it is a registered lab with the FDA.
Yes I do have a DEA license.

I'm not sure what the complete assay for these compounds entails. I know I can get it done if I know what to ask for.

I mail the samples in because I live 2200 miles from the lab.

So you’re saying:

You have a DEA license to receive, handle and analyze anabolic steroids