HIGHRISK
Pro
I didn't want to say anything either. Your first and last pic look almost identical. I'm not throwing stones believe me. You have a good physique to start and if you really ran all that you should look like a beast!
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
What 15 weeks of test and tren did to me
- Thread starter thebulk420
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You're kinda arguing a point that doesn't hold water. Either your gear is bunk,your diet blows ass...I mean I can eat candy all day and still lean out on tren or your program sucks. 700mg is a fucking HUGE tren ace cycle. Huge. You dont maybe get lean or maybe sweat....you are a freaking machine on that much tren a week. Which you aren't.
Everyone is different, man. Just because you react one way, does not mean others will too.
21, though don't mistake me for one of the many misinformed and uneducated individuals that number is so often associated with.
Oldschool
Member
Oh don't worry. There is no mistaking your problems but seeing you get your feathers ruffled when some solid guys start giving you tough love ruins the moment for me. Your tren was bunk or at the very least way under dosed. I will take you for your word on the training and diet. You have a base though and i hope you figure it out and get where you want to be. Best of luck.
What lab did you use?
I don't mind receiving harsh criticism/advice. That's why I'm here. I ordered my tren from two reputable sources, so I just highly doubt it's underdosed/bunk. I might get it tested just to confirm such though, if you really think I might have some bad tren.
Test_Subject
Member
I ran tren at 600mg recently and the results were nothing short of remarkable. And I ran tren E, meaning that you ended up running about 170 more mg than me.
I'd have to agree with Rob on this one.
Well, I am definitely starting to see results in terms of gains and physique alteration. I'll take your guys' word for it and get both sources tested though. I've never gotten my gear tested, mind pointing me in the right direction to do so?
No, this is where you are wrong. EVERYONE REACTS WITHIN A CERTAIN SCOPE TO CERTAIN COMPOUNDS. Like tren. There's a scope of reactions. Someone may have more or less, true. The more you take of that compound forces you more into the scope.
At 700mg you are on the high end of tren dosing. You didn't exhibit ANY of the reactions. It's bunk dude, or you're a liar. Or,again..your program sucks or your diet sucks. No matter what "sides" you want to argue over, tren WILL lean you out and harden the fuck out of you. Shit dude I've eat packages of cookies every night on 450mg and got hard as a mother fucker with solid workouts. Not a recommendation. Chaulk it up, it's over. Move on and learn.
I am going to get both sources tested just to confirm. Quick question though. I suspect my e2 may be out of range, despite being on a low dose of test. Currently waiting for blood results to come back. Would the e2 bloat make a huge difference into how lean I look/feel do you think? As for side effects, I am getting insomnia pretty bad. Just no night sweats or bad aggression.
Which testing procedure did you use? Tren shows up as high E2 on one test. Did you use an ai? Personally I don't use a ai on 200-250 test. Estrogen plays a roll in muscular development, to an extent. It's not like it's poison. And many times that bloat on a lower dose of tren is diet depending.
My advice is to stop using aas, really learn to eat and workout and cycle back around when you're 30.
I got an ultrasensitive estradiol test. No, not using an AI. When I was on 100mg of Test, my total test came back at 1266 though and my e2 was at 66 (42 being the highest on the reference range). Popped a couple asin pills over the next week and dropped to 80mg a week. Hadn't got bloods since until a few days ago (now waiting for results) or popped an AI. I think my e2 is probably still high.
tenpoundsleft
Member
600..... at 450-500 I was soaking wet at night. You must have kept a super clean no carbs after 4pm diet? Took me a while to catch on to that effect.
Test_Subject
Member
I wouldn't say that it was super clean, but yes. I lowered my carbs and ate at maintenance.
I was pretty sweaty, but it wasn't unbearable. I started the cycle at 400mg and week and upped it because I felt great.
Your tren was fake and your test was underdosed. You gained less than what I have on a week of anadrol kick-start. You don't appear to be close to your genetic limit or particularly advanced. At your level you should have seen 20+ lbs with a shit diet and working out two days a week.
Throwback
Well-known Member
I think you should get it tested.
Im on 500 tren a and 250 test in week 5.
Like you i only get insomnia and indigestion. All the plus things you mention are going on with me but i have a very physical job and its tough getting enough cals right now so my run has become more of a recomp.
In My avi Im probably close to 20% bf..at 206ish.
I did cut to 183 prior to adding the tren in and as of yesterday Im back to 196 at probably 12 or 13%.
I would check the tren if you can cuz it may be that it 1/2 to 1/3 under dosed.
