What do you want from the Steroid Underground?

[jaymaximus]

First off, everyone should read the rules of the underground here.

Steroid Underground RULES

The underground was created as a place for people to discuss sources away from source boards. With little to no moderation here you can do that without your comments being filtered or deleted.

But seeing as this is an unmoderated board, sources see money, and they come to get it. As I understand, having not been here forever, it started as reps coming to answer questions and ended with sources setting up shop.

*To clarify, I would rather there be no sources here, but it is unmoderated and I take the good with the bad.

So there are sources here. Most members have made it known they want sources here. But when a source comes, then what?

A source comes, you ask them questions, they answer. You say they lie. You ask for pictures, they provide pictures. You say theyre photoshopped. You ask for testing, they show tests, you say theyre fake.

You want user reviews. A user says they bought some gear. Now theyre stupid. But someone has to buy it first, right?
If anyone leaves a positive review, theyre a shill. With or without any proof. Any negative review is readily accepted. No proof needed.

As Meso members, what do you want? Y'all need to figure it out and live by that. If it's no sources then EVERYONE says bye to all sources here. If it is sources, then stop being assholes to everyone trying the gear and leaving reviews. The underground is for reviews. (This doesnt mean if someone is shilling to let it go)

I'll be the first to admit. I used to give all sources here hell. From the jump. No reason. Why? Its what I thought Meso did, and I wanted to be part of Meso.

As time went on I realized to pick my spots. If a lab was fucked up? Attack. If not? Sit back and watch.

People here may notice the so called Meso vets dont go to the underground much anymore. Why? Its a shit show. All arguments, hardly any substance. With everyone on board, thats can change.

So once again Meso, what do YOU want from the steroid underground?

 

[jaymaximus]

Before anyone attacks anyone, let's be constructive. What do you want from the underground AND how do we get there?

 

[Les]

If sources are going to be here I like the idea of hitting them with questions and a hard grilling. The problem is if every answer they give is shit on it seems counter productive.

I think reviews with bloods are a good thing. If it comes from a 1 post guy grill his ass too or take it with a grain of salt. Bad experiences as well as good should be posted to benefit other members.

I get that it's unmoderated but everyone doesn't need to be shit on for giving their experience. I don't see how that benefits the community if people won't post anything because they think they'll get shit on. Just my unedumacated take.

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[AlphaLife]

First off, everyone should read the rules of the underground here.

Steroid Underground RULES

The underground was created as a place for people to discuss sources away from source boards. With little to no moderation here you can do that without your comments being filtered or deleted.

But seeing as this is an unmoderated board, sources see money, and they come to get it. As I understand, having not been here forever, it started as reps coming to answer questions and ended with sources setting up shop.

*To clarify, I would rather there be no sources here, but it is unmoderated and I take the good with the bad.

So there are sources here. Most members have made it known they want sources here. But when a source comes, then what?

A source comes, you ask them questions, they answer. You say they lie. You ask for pictures, they provide pictures. You say theyre photoshopped. You ask for testing, they show tests, you say theyre fake.

You want user reviews. A user says they bought some gear. Now theyre stupid. But someone has to buy it first, right?
If anyone leaves a positive review, theyre a shill. With or without any proof. Any negative review is readily accepted. No proof needed.

As Meso members, what do you want? Y'all need to figure it out and live by that. If it's no sources then EVERYONE says bye to all sources here. If it is sources, then stop being assholes to everyone trying the gear and leaving reviews. The underground is for reviews. (This doesnt mean if someone is shilling to let it go)

I'll be the first to admit. I used to give all sources here hell. From the jump. No reason. Why? Its what I thought Meso did, and I wanted to be part of Meso.

As time went on I realized to pick my spots. If a lab was fucked up? Attack. If not? Sit back and watch.

People here may notice the so called Meso vets dont go to the underground much anymore. Why? Its a shit show. All arguments, hardly any substance. With everyone on board, thats can change.

So once again Meso, what do YOU want from the steroid underground?

Well said.

 

[Dw725]

First off, everyone should read the rules of the underground here.

Steroid Underground RULES

The underground was created as a place for people to discuss sources away from source boards. With little to no moderation here you can do that without your comments being filtered or deleted.

But seeing as this is an unmoderated board, sources see money, and they come to get it. As I understand, having not been here forever, it started as reps coming to answer questions and ended with sources setting up shop.

*To clarify, I would rather there be no sources here, but it is unmoderated and I take the good with the bad.

So there are sources here. Most members have made it known they want sources here. But when a source comes, then what?

A source comes, you ask them questions, they answer. You say they lie. You ask for pictures, they provide pictures. You say theyre photoshopped. You ask for testing, they show tests, you say theyre fake.

You want user reviews. A user says they bought some gear. Now theyre stupid. But someone has to buy it first, right?
If anyone leaves a positive review, theyre a shill. With or without any proof. Any negative review is readily accepted. No proof needed.

As Meso members, what do you want? Y'all need to figure it out and live by that. If it's no sources then EVERYONE says bye to all sources here. If it is sources, then stop being assholes to everyone trying the gear and leaving reviews. The underground is for reviews. (This doesnt mean if someone is shilling to let it go)

I'll be the first to admit. I used to give all sources here hell. From the jump. No reason. Why? Its what I thought Meso did, and I wanted to be part of Meso.

As time went on I realized to pick my spots. If a lab was fucked up? Attack. If not? Sit back and watch.

People here may notice the so called Meso vets dont go to the underground much anymore. Why? Its a shit show. All arguments, hardly any substance. With everyone on board, thats can change.

So once again Meso, what do YOU want from the steroid underground?

Fuck finally someone says it. I read threads all the time in the underground but can rarely bring myself to say anything. The underground COULD be a good tool but at this point it has just lost its way.

 

[Herder]

Most important thing from the underground is an uncensored place to discuss sources and stay safe. There is so much tainted information out there its easy to get mislead, whether it be by fake reviews, or boards that edit out negative reviews leading you to believe a source is gtg. In my opinion this board is the best place to get accurate unbiased info. If steps are taken to tighten up how things are done here this forum would definetly beneifit.

 

[jaymaximus]

If sources are going to be here I like the idea of hitting them with questions and a hard grilling. The problem is if every answer they give is shit on it seems counter productive.

I think reviews with bloods are a good thing. If it comes from a 1 post guy grill his ass too or take it with a grain of salt. Bad experiences as well as good should be posted to benefit other members.

I get that it's unmoderated but everyone doesn't need to be shit on for giving their experience. I don't see how that benefits the community if people won't post anything because they think they'll get shit on. Just my unedumacated take.

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Youre right about reviews. While we want members with some standing to leave reviews (good or bad), we need to not shit on everyone who does. Many of the well established members wont leave reviews (especially positive) because they dont want to argue and be called names.

 

[jaymaximus]

Also, this could be a whole new thread, let's talk about reviews.

There are different parts.

1. Communication with seller.

2. Price.

3. Time of arrival.

3b. Seller dealing with issues

4. Packaging

5. Look of product

6. How it works (strength wise and mirror wise)

7. Actual lab facts (blood work, simec, mass spec, etc)

All of these are important in their own way. While we dont want users to dwell on 1 - 6, they count also. Maybe not as much, but they do count. Especially since there are many substances that cant be shown to work strictly through blood.

 

[Les]

If it's discovered that they're faking the reviews and or labs one way or the other then the hell of meso should be reigned down because there's no place for that.

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[ambulldog]

Now ive been a meber of this board a ling time, But i never got involved until recently so im a newb here and ill voice one thing.

I echo what jaymaximus said in original about how sources etc are treated.

I read some reviews etc. Guys ask for this and that. The source or reviewer gives what they ask. They are still considered shit and lying. Not certain what people want. As a newb here, not looking for a source, i would have thought no source or bloods could be trusted ever. Its just not the case.

Ill use one example. Godtropin. I personally know at least 8 guys who run his stuff. Ive never heard one complaint. He came here and got chewed up, sure it was funny but was it necessary? Christ he even offered 10 kits at amazing pruces for people to try. Of course people grabbed them. He did all he could do answering questions etc and was still just told to gtfo. Again funny but people could lose a potentially good source for nothing.

Anyways thats my unbiased pov from a newb "outsider" per se.

Excellent post @jaymaximus

 

[D-max]

I think a lot of the problem is there are a few wkm that just blast and attack almost every source. Newer members come in, see it, and think this is fun, and I can fit in quick if I start in on the name calling, etc. Next thing you know, you've got 50 pages of bullshit clouding any useful info in the thread.

 

[ambulldog]

I think a lot of the problem is there are a few wkm that just blast and attack almost every source. Newer members come in, see it, and think this is fun, and I can fit in quick if I start in on the name calling, etc. Next thing you know, you've got 50 pages of bullshit clouding any useful info in the thread.

Exactly what i saw when i got here. But im not here to blast those guys. Im here to ask questions, gain knowledge and help out where i can

 

[Wunderpus]

Now ive been a meber of this board a ling time, But i never got involved until recently so im a newb here and ill voice one thing.

I echo what jaymaximus said in original about how sources etc are treated.

I read some reviews etc. Guys ask for this and that. The source or reviewer gives what they ask. They are still considered shit and lying. Not certain what people want. As a newb here, not looking for a source, i would have thought no source or bloods could be trusted ever. Its just not the case.

Ill use one example. Godtropin. I personally know at least 8 guys who run his stuff. Ive never heard one complaint. He came here and got chewed up, sure it was funny but was it necessary? Christ he even offered 10 kits at amazing pruces for people to try. Of course people grabbed them. He did all he could do answering questions etc and was still just told to gtfo. Again funny but people could lose a potentially good source for nothing.

Anyways thats my unbiased pov from a newb "outsider" per se.

Excellent post @jaymaximus

If they are so fragile, maybe they do not belong here. There are many sources that I know of that are too "afraid" to come to Meso. If you can't handle the heat of a few members, yet wish to sell illegal drugs, you can just rightfully fuck off....

Now, what do I want? Ha. Jay, I want my cake and to eat it too. I want sources to come here with professionalism and to be prepared to answer any and all questions. To not show an ounce of dishonesty. In recent memory, I recall 24K... The way he handled his entire stay at Meso was JUST about as picture perfect as possible. He was transparent, professional, reimbursed and/or encouraged testing, was public with all issues and concerns in regards to safety as well as gear quality (ie the removal of masteron prop after an iffy labmax test) etc. Sources, go read 24K's thread and learn a thing or two. We don't care about your specials, your "highest quality chinese raws" etc.

We care about your sterility, ethics, intelligence and character. Stand behind your product, be fair to your customer base and they, in turn, will reward you with sales.

 

[jaymaximus]

If they are so fragile, maybe they do not belong here. There are many sources that I know of that are too "afraid" to come to Meso. If you can't handle the heat of a few members, yet wish to sell illegal drugs, you can just rightfully fuck off....

Now, what do I want? Ha. Jay, I want my cake and to eat it too. I want sources to come here with professionalism and to be prepared to answer any and all questions. To not show an ounce of dishonesty. In recent memory, I recall 24K... The way he handled his entire stay at Meso was JUST about as picture perfect as possible. He was transparent, professional, reimbursed and/or encouraged testing, was public with all issues and concerns in regards to safety as well as gear quality (ie the removal of masteron prop after an iffy labmax test) etc. Sources, go read 24K's thread and learn a thing or two. We don't care about your specials, your "highest quality chinese raws" etc.

We care about your sterility, ethics, intelligence and character. Stand behind your product, be fair to your customer base and they, in turn, will reward you with sales.

Youre right on answering the hard questions here. Its shocking when I go to other boards and a source shows up and everyone says welcome, now sell me gear.

They need to come here, answer the hard questions, and be honest.

My problem comes mostly with reviews. Ive seen people ask for 10 pages who has purchased from X lab. Then when someone buys, there's pages calling them dumb for buying. The people leave a review and theyre a shill. Its understood if your only post is "This lab is fire", but Ive seen an awesome member who simply said he purchased from a lab, hadnt tried it, and was called a shill.

There's a balance in my mind. I just think its gone too far in many occasions.

 

[Phaze]

I agree with what has been stated before. I think the community as a whole can do better with new sources. Though i do feel like there is some bias bashing and dickish comments that upsets sources and lets there true colors show; which is good in its own way for we can see how they will react when true problems and difference arise. 24k was bashed and heckled for months while his product was what he claimed. He stayed professional and respectful through it all and did everything community requested and earned respect of the community for most part. Just my 2cents..

 

[Steve84]

I like Meso as it is.
Sources welcome, but criticized to the max and if they live through it perfect!
AL is a great program and I plan to start contributing. The reviews of sources here are great without a delete button.
Reps are always needed to a point as long as they bring something to the table. Defending the source is not the right way. Moreso helping customers with issues should be their role.

 

[Gundog]

Herd behavior is a hard thing to break brother. The underground is always one hungry piranha away from a fucking feeding frenzy.

With that said, do I want to see sources leave? No, but I believe that's the only way to shake free from this cycle and get back to our roots.

 

[Robfromga]

The line between just bashing every source, and blindly accepting gets crossed. Both directions. Here and other forums.

I've watch new sources here get destroyed over what appears to be not much. Never to return. Maybe I missed something. Then there's the 2-3 guys that constantly rag sources here while admittedly promoting a different source on another page.

I guess what I'm babbling about is there's alot of bullshit to weed through. If a source sucks, then there's gotta be a reason,but just ripping them is as pointless as blindly accepting them. But clearly they've gotta back up their claims.

 

[outkicked1]

they gotta back up their claims, and I think the initial firestorm on potential source is good, puts pressure on them, if they are fullof shit mmore likely to be caught quickly if they got a bunch of junkyard dogs on their ads. it's also a good way to check their level of customer service, if members like me acting a fool and being difficult and they remain customer oriented...that's an indicator of their level of professionalism.

I understand at some point it gets the thread way off purpose and ten pages of mockery isnt

 

[outkicked1]

beneficial to anyone