why do most people say "test is best broo"? as if its fact?

[Spaceman Spiff]

You're right, it shouldn't have been tainted in the first place.

It does have me curious on a few things. I wonder if you could take, say, 50 grams of Test E, liquify it, and add in some baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)--good acid neutralizer and kill off that carbonic acid. I'm not a chemist, so IDK. The next thing that comes to mind as I ponder this thing is, how then, do you remove the sodium bicarbonate?

Damn lol, now I wonder if you could take something like Deca, which always seems to come in at a low purity. It seems like when someone displays the results of it from janoshik, the purity is so low. Could one remove the impurities somehow? Or are we talking centrifuges and stuff? How complicated would it be to try to do something like that? It would be pretty cool if it were possible to do so if it was reasonably easy. Leaving the compound at like 99 - 100%

thats not how things work.

sodium bicarb is not soluble in oil.


easier solution is to not use Test E....

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

You're right, it shouldn't have been tainted in the first place.

It does have me curious on a few things. I wonder if you could take, say, 50 grams of Test E, liquify it, and add in some baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)--good acid neutralizer and kill off that carbonic acid. I'm not a chemist, so IDK. The next thing that comes to mind as I ponder this thing is, how then, do you remove the sodium bicarbonate?

Damn lol, now I wonder if you could take something like Deca, which always seems to come in at a low purity. It seems like when someone displays the results of it from janoshik, the purity is so low. Could one remove the impurities somehow? Or are we talking centrifuges and stuff? How complicated would it be to try to do something like that? It would be pretty cool if it were possible to do so if it was reasonably easy. Leaving the compound at like 99 - 100%

My thinking is, if there really is an acidity problem, it's probably something that needs more than just a quick fix. You'd likely have to take it through another round of actual chemical synthesis, or at least a serious purification step, to properly remove whatever is making it acidic. That means getting into proper glass reaction vessels
.. like flasks and condensers


and having a decent handle on the chemistry involved. It's not something for the average homebrewer, that's for sure. I don't have plans to mess with that kind of cleanup myself right now, but who knows, once I get my full glass distillation setup with the heating mantle all put together, I might get curious enough to experiment down the line. I'm pretty sure the process could be figured out; there's almost always a way with this stuff if you dig deep enough.


And about your Deca question and purity, that definitely hits on something I've been mulling over. When you see those lower purity results, sometimes it's not just random gunk. Sometimes these steroids can come mixed with the base hormone.

For example, you might get Test Cypionate that actually has a bit of plain Testosterone base mixed in.
Now, here's a thought: in theory, if you ran that batch through another esterification reaction –

.. hitting it with the right acid chloride or anhydride (the "ester base" building block, so to speak)
.. you could potentially convert that leftover base hormone into the desired ester. So, you could theoretically "fix" it and bump up the purity of the ester you actually want, all in one go.


It's kind of like my Tren Ace
. I'm pretty sure it's got a good whack of Tren base in it. I actually don't mind it because that Tren base gives it a quick kick before the acetate ester really gets going. But if I wanted to, I reckon I could probably "fix" it by running it through an acetylation reaction to convert that base into more Tren Acetate.


So yeah, it's not as simple as just filtering out some floaties or neutralizing a bit of acid with baking soda. If you really want to purify these compounds or convert unwanted portions, you're stepping into actual lab work. Pretty cool to think about how it could be done, though!

 

[knucklesamich]

thats not how things work.

sodium bicarb is not soluble in oil.


easier solution is to not use Test E....

I hear that. I purchased a good bunch of Test E once, it hurt like hell. Never will I purchase it again. Too problematic.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I hear that. I purchased a good bunch of Test E once, it hurt like hell. Never will I purchase it again. Too problematic.

I have had it brewed at 250 before and tolerated it well(not by me). it was done by a source, but idk if it was just a "good set of raws" or what

It was an accidental order of test E

 

[knucklesamich]

My thinking is, if there really is an acidity problem, it's probably something that needs more than just a quick fix. You'd likely have to take it through another round of actual chemical synthesis, or at least a serious purification step, to properly remove whatever is making it acidic. That means getting into proper glass reaction vessels
.. like flasks and condensers


and having a decent handle on the chemistry involved. It's not something for the average homebrewer, that's for sure. I don't have plans to mess with that kind of cleanup myself right now, but who knows, once I get my full glass distillation setup with the heating mantle all put together, I might get curious enough to experiment down the line. I'm pretty sure the process could be figured out; there's almost always a way with this stuff if you dig deep enough.


And about your Deca question and purity, that definitely hits on something I've been mulling over. When you see those lower purity results, sometimes it's not just random gunk. Sometimes these steroids can come mixed with the base hormone.

For example, you might get Test Cypionate that actually has a bit of plain Testosterone base mixed in.
Now, here's a thought: in theory, if you ran that batch through another esterification reaction –

.. hitting it with the right acid chloride or anhydride (the "ester base" building block, so to speak)
.. you could potentially convert that leftover base hormone into the desired ester. So, you could theoretically "fix" it and bump up the purity of the ester you actually want, all in one go.


It's kind of like my Tren Ace
. I'm pretty sure it's got a good whack of Tren base in it. I actually don't mind it because that Tren base gives it a quick kick before the acetate ester really gets going. But if I wanted to, I reckon I could probably "fix" it by running it through an acetylation reaction to convert that base into more Tren Acetate.


So yeah, it's not as simple as just filtering out some floaties or neutralizing a bit of acid with baking soda. If you really want to purify these compounds or convert unwanted portions, you're stepping into actual lab work. Pretty cool to think about how it could be done, though!

I've been following a few of your posts, you have a good head on your shoulders my man. Very interesting stuff. Using Acetone and hexane to filter out impurities so that you're left with a much more pure product, that's awesome! I think it especially interesting that one can add in a good pure crystal of it, and it will encourage the rest to follow suit. Mind blown!

It's good to hear that some of the impurities are not just some junk leftover, but actual unesterified product. If I was to use Deca, I don't mine a little nandrolone no-ester in there lol, seems like that would be just fine, same as the Tren Ace you're focusing on.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I've been following a few of your posts, you have a good head on your shoulders my man. Very interesting stuff. Using Acetone and hexane to filter out impurities so that you're left with a much more pure product, that's awesome! I think it especially interesting that one can add in a good pure crystal of it, and it will encourage the rest to follow suit. Mind blown!

It's good to hear that some of the impurities are not just some junk leftover, but actual unesterified product. If I was to use Deca, I don't mine a little nandrolone no-ester in there lol, seems like that would be just fine, same as the Tren Ace you're focusing on.

No no don't quote me on that. I have no experience with DECA! I just know tren ace has that issue and some raws from India are having that base issue too and this is directly quoted by a well known lab here in America I'm friends with. DECA may very well be fine on that front and just simply be something else. But thanks a lot for that. I'm invested into this so its important I learn the more important details and theory.

 

[knucklesamich]

I have had it brewed at 250 before and tolerated it well(not by me). it was done by a source, but idk if it was just a "good set of raws" or what

It was an accidental order of test E

It's so weird. Before I got into home brewing, I'd ordered some finished product from a source too, no issues what so ever. I'd just done so because you get a tiny bit more bang for the buck. At the time, I had no idea there was any kind of problem with it out there. So me and a few friends ordered a bunch of raws and split it all. I think 600 grams, and split it 3 ways. It was tainted. We all tried tolerating it, but after awhile, it just hurt to damn much.