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[T&H]

I never said you have to get the blood work right after the injection for igf that’s just how it falls into my day to day schedule. But here in a few weeks I will pull a 24hr after pin and see what the score is.

How long were you on the sources hgh prior to pulling bloods?

The 3hr test is for your hgh serum level. It’s a completely different blood panel than igf-1 panel.

I understand it's a different panel. I got just the igf1 test and not serum.

What's messed up is I was on one type of HGH a month, then switched to a specific sources for 2 to 3 weeks to get bloods but had to wait another week before I could get blood work. Since I didn't have enough of the specific sources hgh to last another week, I had to use a few vials of different hgh. About 3 days before bloods, I switched back to my source.

So I wasn't consistently on one source's hgh for 3 weeks in a row, but I was on hgh for 2 months before bloods. Maybe this is why I had 166 score? I had thought the 10iu injection would show the legitimacy of hgh, regardless of how long you were on it. But I could he wrong.

 

[little]

I'm fine with starting it, but where would I start it exactly?

General bro

 

[Logan44551]

I understand it's a different panel. I got just the igf1 test and not serum.

What's messed up is I was on one type of HGH a month, then switched to a specific sources for 2 to 3 weeks to get bloods but had to wait another week before I could get blood work. Since I didn't have enough of the specific sources hgh to last another week, I had to use a few vials of different hgh. About 3 days before bloods, I switched back to my source.

So I wasn't consistently on one source's hgh for 3 weeks in a row, but I was on hgh for 2 months before bloods. Maybe this is why I had 166 score? I had thought the 10iu injection would show the legitimacy of hgh, regardless of how long you were on it. But I could he wrong.

Ok so the 10iu injection is for the serum test and will show that you are in fact injecting HGH. As for the low number, people convert to igf differently and there can be a lot of factors to a low test. That siad my understanding is for igf you want to be injecting at least a week prior to testing, although I have heard people say for longer. Regardless you using 2 different types of HGH would have given you skewed results anyhow

 

[T&H]

Ok so the 10iu injection is for the serum test and will show that you are in fact injecting HGH. As for the low number, people convert to igf differently and there can be a lot of factors to a low test. That siad my understanding is for igf you want to be injecting at least a week prior to testing, although I have heard people say for longer. Regardless you using 2 different types of HGH would have given you skewed results anyhow

Thanks man. Got 2 kits from opti and will run straight thru. I got a bunch of other hgh I need to run too. Will keep in mind for future testing.

 

[JP1979]

That siad my understanding is for igf you want to be injecting at least a week prior to testing, although I have heard people say for longer. Regardless you using 2 different types of HGH would have given you skewed results anyhow

I have heard for IGF its best to be on consistent dosing and brand for 5 weeks then test.

 

[Opti]

I've always read you should get blood drawn 3 hours after pin as that is when igf1 peaks. Since you got bloods shortly after pinning, what is your opinion on the timing?

Hey, quick question. I had asked about the igf1 score and waiting 3 hours. I must have been gravely mistaken and misunderstood that.

You said the igf1 test should be done right after injecting. If someone were to wait 3 hours instead of getting it right away, do you know how much lower the score will be? Here's the deal. I was on another source hgh and did it 3 hours and got low number. I'm now wondering if me waiting 3 hours got it real low, or if it should have still been very high if legit...

I understand it's a different panel. I got just the igf1 test and not serum.

What's messed up is I was on one type of HGH a month, then switched to a specific sources for 2 to 3 weeks to get bloods but had to wait another week before I could get blood work. Since I didn't have enough of the specific sources hgh to last another week, I had to use a few vials of different hgh. About 3 days before bloods, I switched back to my source.

So I wasn't consistently on one source's hgh for 3 weeks in a row, but I was on hgh for 2 months before bloods. Maybe this is why I had 166 score? I had thought the 10iu injection would show the legitimacy of hgh, regardless of how long you were on it. But I could he wrong.

@Tiredandhot, @Mighty-mouse pretty much covered it all. An igf test is done after-minimally 1 week, preferably two at a consistent daily dose to get an accurate igf reading. It does not matter how long after(hour wise) your last injection you get your blood drawn.

A blood serum test is done 2.5-3.0hr after you have injected 10iu IM. This will only show that somatropin is existent.

The above tests have their value especially when you are using the same method to compare several Somatropins on yourself.

that is if you are doing a serum test not a igf test

when doing a serum test you will inject 10iu intramuscular and pull bloods 3hrs after to test your hgh levels

I never said you have to get the blood work right after the injection for igf that’s just how it falls into my day to day schedule. But here in a few weeks I will pull a 24hr after pin and see what the score is.

How long were you on the sources hgh prior to pulling bloods?

The 3hr test is for your hgh serum level. It’s a completely different blood panel than igf-1 panel.

I completely agree with what @Mighty-mouse posted above. He has been running igf tests on the Optis for quite sometime time with consistency.

Have you ever ran other compounds such as tren with GH that impacted your IGF test in a negative way? as in the reading was not as high because you were running tren? from what i have read, tren can impact the score, which i think was my case last time i tested

@M425M, I know the question was not directed at me but I will share my experience. Prior to obtaining Optis I ran pharmaceutical grade Somatropin and noticed a significant decrease in my igf levels when I introduced NPP to my TRT Test dose. If I recall correctly it was a 50-60% decrease. This is my experience with my Optis as well. So for me at least I can say, YES, certain AAS can decrease our igf levels.

I upped the Optis from 2ius 6days a week to 2.4ius 5days a week this week.
I dose mine at 12ius a vial.
Only reason I even upped my dose was because I like the 5 on 2 off. 2.4 ius still equal a vial a week and this helps me keep track of how many weeks I’m in.
No other logic or reasoning to up my daily dose than that lol.

Side effects are only being awesome!

That, or I was born this way...

LMAO@Side effects are only being awesome! That, or I was born this way!

Seems like you are enjoying the Optis @bolder. How long have you been on them? Already noticing some results?

What is THIS!!
I am-on the-toilott poopiing
And I see my feet are HUGE!
Why is this. Who is that. Where and when.
OPTITROPE zero dimmer side effect oooohhhhhhwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
1iu in thah, AM - 1 at lunch no THREEEEEEEEISTHA magic number.
Wait
5iu, in the am.
Dun dun
5iu, post workout,
Dunn dunnn
5iu, before bed
Ohh beeeed oh beeeeeehhheeeed oh bed. For sleeping
So soundlii
On Optitropii
15iu a day is fooooooorrr thaaahhh WOOOOOOOOOORRRLD for the WOOOOOOORRRRLD YES FOR THAH WOOOORRHAHAHAERLD

Zolpidem nd margaritas poetry night here at TenGrams camp

@little seems like it was an eventful night! So are you on 2iu, 3iu, or 15iu? I am a little confused.

 

[T&H]

@Tiredandhot, @Mighty-mouse pretty much covered it all. An igf test is done after-minimally 1 week, preferably two at a consistent daily dose to get an accurate igf reading. It does not matter how long after(hour wise) your last injection you get your blood drawn.

A blood serum test is done 2.5-3.0hr after you have injected 10iu IM. This will only show that somatropin is existent.

The above tests have their value especially when you are using the same method to compare several Somatropins on yourself.






I completely agree with what @Mighty-mouse posted above. He has been running igf tests on the Optis for quite sometime time with consistency.




@M425M, I know the question was not directed at me but I will share my experience. Prior to obtaining Optis I ran pharmaceutical grade Somatropin and noticed a significant decrease in my igf levels when I introduced NPP to my TRT Test dose. If I recall correctly it was a 50-60% decrease. This is my experience with my Optis as well. So for me at least I can say, YES, certain AAS can decrease our igf levels.




LMAO@Side effects are only being awesome! That, or I was born this way!

Seems like you are enjoying the Optis @bolder. How long have you been on them? Already noticing some results?




@little seems like it was an eventful night! So are you on 2iu, 3iu, or 15iu? I am a little confused.

Thanks for the detailed info for everyone!

 

[Iron Vett]

@M425M, I know the question was not directed at me but I will share my experience. Prior to obtaining Optis I ran pharmaceutical grade Somatropin and noticed a significant decrease in my igf levels when I introduced NPP to my TRT Test dose. If I recall correctly it was a 50-60% decrease. This is my experience with my Optis as well. So for me at least I can say, YES, certain AAS can decrease our igf levels.

Super hgh green horn here with a noob question. I have read countless times about nandrolone affecting igf levels in bloodwork while using hgh but you are the first person I have been able to ask about it after doing the testing yourself. Do you feel that the gh response was muted in any way by the simultaneous use of the nandrolone or did it seem business as usual both physically and visually? Are you familiar with tren usage with hgh? Since it’s derived from a nandrolone, do you feel it will have any detrimental effect on the body’s response to the hgh?

I’m sitting in the corner with my dunce hat on waiting for responses lol

 

[bolder]

Seems like you are enjoying the Optis @bolder. How long have you been on them? Already noticing some results?

4 weeks in this week. I haven’t noticed results or any sides as of yet but I’m also not looking for results right now. It’s too early. I’m running sust and mast e right now but my strength has gone up and I’m actually still gaining weight. My diet sucks right now too! I mean I’m eating like shit lol. Still working on that

I’ll have a better idea about the results I get on down the road. I went about 3 weeks off all hgh before getting pins in and starting these. So I’m gonna run them the same way I ran the blacktops and Godt last year and compare to that.

Hope to be running 5ius by the end of fall going into my winter cycle.
I will say I got great results from the hgh I’ve already ran. People comment about my size who I don’t even know (especially little kids which is the best)!

I can also tell a big difference in myself from last year. Hgh has been the only difference added! So I do give hgh the credit even though I’m eating like a horse
I’ve been even referred to as a “bodybuilder” at my work I just consider myself a guy that likes to workout so that comment made recently made me feel pretty good!

I’m 5’11” and 218lbs currently, but hey if people wanna call me a beast then who am I to say otherwise

 

[Opti]

Super hgh green horn here with a noob question. I have read countless times about nandrolone affecting igf levels in bloodwork while using hgh but you are the first person I have been able to ask about it after doing the testing yourself. Do you feel that the gh response was muted in any way by the simultaneous use of the nandrolone or did it seem business as usual both physically and visually? Are you familiar with tren usage with hgh? Since it’s derived from a nandrolone, do you feel it will have any detrimental effect on the body’s response to the hgh?

I’m sitting in the corner with my dunce hat on waiting for responses lol
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Hahahaha, I was sent to the corner a few times as a child. Oh the fond memories.....

Let me emphasize that the legitimacy of the Pharmaceutical Somatropin is not in question, I am 100% certain of it's authenticity. Also the following is my experience;

I have enjoyed NPP for quite sometime. Used it in many occasions. Test C/NPP, Test C/NPP/EQ, Test C/NPP/Var, Test C/NPP/HGH etc etc...The point I am trying to make here is that I know how my body responds to NPP, the fullness it provides along with other benefits.

On Test C and HGH I pulled my igf levels and if I recall correctly I tested an average of 133 per IU of HGH up to 4iu, never went above that dose. When I introduced NPP to the above substances and pulled my igf levels once again several weeks later I belief my average was 60-62 per IU. I ran the same tests with my Optis and the numbers were (±)10 points. I do not have the test results in front of me so I'm strictly working off of my memory but my numbers are not off by much if any, this I'm certain of.

As far as results I noticed a significant difference in my serratus, deltoids, and quads. They were at a level of leanness that was nonexistent without Somatropin. The scale only went up a few lbs but overall I looked heavier and much more aesthetically appealing. Yes, the low igf levels from NPP were a burden mentally but the overall results speak for themselves. I personally would not hesitate to run Somatropin with a Nandrolone derivative again.

As far as Tren Ace is concerned, unfortunately I can not tolerate it long enough to give you a fair conclusion. Back in my younger years, when pellets were available I would occasionally use it. Nowadays after 3-4 days of continuous use my body aches and I get extreme lethargy from sleep impediment. Maybe I'll give Tren Ent a shot in the near future.

The above is my experience and hope that some of this has been useful.

 

[T&H]

I know sides aren't a 100 percent indicator of real hgh, however we know real hgh can cause them at high doses.
Only on optis for two days and getting tight and swollen hands. Was running 6iu of another source and jumped straight to 6iu on optis but may reduce down. Looking forward to some results!

 

[JP1979]

I know sides aren't a 100 percent indicator of real hgh, however we know real hgh can cause them at high doses.
Only on optis for two days and getting tight and swollen hands. Was running 6iu of another source and jumped straight to 6iu on optis but may reduce down. Looking forward to some results!

It's a decent indicator. I was on one brand and couldn't go over 2.5iu or my hands would go numb. Switched to a generic and plugged 3.3iu first day and didn't even get a tingle.

 

[little]

@Tiredandhot, @Mighty-mouse pretty much covered it all. An igf test is done after-minimally 1 week, preferably two at a consistent daily dose to get an accurate igf reading. It does not matter how long after(hour wise) your last injection you get your blood drawn.

A blood serum test is done 2.5-3.0hr after you have injected 10iu IM. This will only show that somatropin is existent.

The above tests have their value especially when you are using the same method to compare several Somatropins on yourself.






I completely agree with what @Mighty-mouse posted above. He has been running igf tests on the Optis for quite sometime time with consistency.




@M425M, I know the question was not directed at me but I will share my experience. Prior to obtaining Optis I ran pharmaceutical grade Somatropin and noticed a significant decrease in my igf levels when I introduced NPP to my TRT Test dose. If I recall correctly it was a 50-60% decrease. This is my experience with my Optis as well. So for me at least I can say, YES, certain AAS can decrease our igf levels.




LMAO@Side effects are only being awesome! That, or I was born this way!

Seems like you are enjoying the Optis @bolder. How long have you been on them? Already noticing some results?




@little seems like it was an eventful night! So are you on 2iu, 3iu, or 15iu? I am a little confused.

15iu buddii

 

[BIG74]

Super hgh green horn here with a noob question. I have read countless times about nandrolone affecting igf levels in bloodwork while using hgh but you are the first person I have been able to ask about it after doing the testing yourself. Do you feel that the gh response was muted in any way by the simultaneous use of the nandrolone or did it seem business as usual both physically and visually? Are you familiar with tren usage with hgh? Since it’s derived from a nandrolone, do you feel it will have any detrimental effect on the body’s response to the hgh?

I’m sitting in the corner with my dunce hat on waiting for responses lol
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(PDF) Effects of implants of trenbolone acetate, estradiol, or both, on muscle insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-I receptor, estrogen receptor- , and androgen receptor messenger ribonucleic acid levels in feedlot steers

I’ve read numerous articles on tren increasing IGF levels. I posted a study above that was done on steers however, not humans.

And as @opti has stated as well from personal experience, it didn’t really affect his levels.

Also the study didn’t include the administration of HGH, but since GH is known to increase IGF levels, I would think all should be good to go when running tren.

Now.... even though tren is a 19 nor, does that mean another 19 nor could increase IGF levels as well?? Obviously all 19 nor compounds are equal in chemical composition.

I would lean on the personal experience from Opti and get blood work done if ya can while on and off to see how your body is actually processing compounds.

I truly believe in getting the most from HGH is keeping your liver healthy.

 

[tyrolea]

Not much of a poster, mostly lurking to learn a thing or two, but just wanted to post some feedback and say thanks to Opti on the great service. I’ve had two transactions that have been quick and easy, and hopefully many more to come. Thanks again Opti, keep it up.

 

[kdq99]

Recently received my order from @opti - super fast t/a and very help explaining preparation and all other questions. Communication on point. Will definitely continue to do business with this guy. Thanks!

 

[Iron Vett]

Hahahaha, I was sent to the corner a few times as a child. Oh the fond memories.....

Let me emphasize that the legitimacy of the Pharmaceutical Somatropin is not in question, I am 100% certain of it's authenticity. Also the following is my experience;

I have enjoyed NPP for quite sometime. Used it in many occasions. Test C/NPP, Test C/NPP/EQ, Test C/NPP/Var, Test C/NPP/HGH etc etc...The point I am trying to make here is that I know how my body responds to NPP, the fullness it provides along with other benefits.

On Test C and HGH I pulled my igf levels and if I recall correctly I tested an average of 133 per IU of HGH up to 4iu, never went above that dose. When I introduced NPP to the above substances and pulled my igf levels once again several weeks later I belief my average was 60-62 per IU. I ran the same tests with my Optis and the numbers were (±)10 points. I do not have the test results in front of me so I'm strictly working off of my memory but my numbers are not off by much if any, this I'm certain of.

As far as results I noticed a significant difference in my serratus, deltoids, and quads. They were at a level of leanness that was nonexistent without Somatropin. The scale only went up a few lbs but overall I looked heavier and much more aesthetically appealing. Yes, the low igf levels from NPP were a burden mentally but the overall results speak for themselves. I personally would not hesitate to run Somatropin with a Nandrolone derivative again.

As far as Tren Ace is concerned, unfortunately I can not tolerate it long enough to give you a fair conclusion. Back in my younger years, when pellets were available I would occasionally use it. Nowadays after 3-4 days of continuous use my body aches and I get extreme lethargy from sleep impediment. Maybe I'll give Tren Ent a shot in the near future.

The above is my experience and hope that some of this has been useful.

(PDF) Effects of implants of trenbolone acetate, estradiol, or both, on muscle insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-I receptor, estrogen receptor- , and androgen receptor messenger ribonucleic acid levels in feedlot steers

I’ve read numerous articles on tren increasing IGF levels. I posted a study above that was done on steers however, not humans.

And as @opti has stated as well from personal experience, it didn’t really affect his levels.

Also the study didn’t include the administration of HGH, but since GH is known to increase IGF levels, I would think all should be good to go when running tren.

Now.... even though tren is a 19 nor, does that mean another 19 nor could increase IGF levels as well?? Obviously all 19 nor compounds are equal in chemical composition.

I would lean on the personal experience from Opti and get blood work done if ya can while on and off to see how your body is actually processing compounds.

I truly believe in getting the most from HGH is keeping your liver healthy.

Thank you both for this great information. It’s looking like the only way to truly know this is to run the igf-1 test while on hgh and tren and also see the visible changes myself. I guess that will have to wait though since I only run one test/heavy tren cycle a year and that’s during the summer and I’ve already started this year.

@BIG74 I enjoyed the article you linked. I usually never run much AI since I’ve had my glands cut out years ago but I have religiously ran it during these tren cycles due to my desire to remain as dry as possible for aesthetic reasons. It seems I may have been doing myself an injustice as far as igf-1 goes by keeping E2 low. I think I’m gonna stop my ai just to see if I notice any kind of a difference in the results of this cycle.

 

[VAGeo87]

All,

Stomach sub-q injection soreness? I pin each morning upon waking sub-q into stomach fat, grab and hold method. Slin pins. I rotate sides/sites but after months of doing this and also twice per week HcG - there’s some definite scar tissue or just inflammation.

Harder to find a spot that doesn’t bite when the pin goes in. Any similar experiences, and suggestions for this? Go into my shoulders as IM? Slin pins can’t be long enough for that I feel. I already pin delts for some shots of gear.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

All,

Stomach sub-q injection soreness? I pin each morning upon waking sub-q into stomach fat, grab and hold method. Slin pins. I rotate sides/sites but after months of doing this and also twice per week HcG - there’s some definite scar tissue or just inflammation.

Harder to find a spot that doesn’t bite when the pin goes in. Any similar experiences, and suggestions for this? Go into my shoulders as IM? Slin pins can’t be long enough for that I feel. I already pin delts for some shots of gear.

Slim pins are best choice for pinning delts. But I have been pinning belly for some time with no issue whatsoever. What brand type of bac water are u using?

 

[BIG74]

Thank you both for this great information. It’s looking like the only way to truly know this is to run the igf-1 test while on hgh and tren and also see the visible changes myself. I guess that will have to wait though since I only run one test/heavy tren cycle a year and that’s during the summer and I’ve already started this year.

@BIG74 I enjoyed the article you linked. I usually never run much AI since I’ve had my glands cut out years ago but I have religiously ran it during these tren cycles due to my desire to remain as dry as possible for aesthetic reasons. It seems I may have been doing myself an injustice as far as igf-1 goes by keeping E2 low. I think I’m gonna stop my ai just to see if I notice any kind of a difference in the results of this cycle.

@Iron Vett, glad ya found the article helpful. At some point i'd like to get glands removed as well, just gotta save up for it. The very first time i ran tren, i never ran any prolactin control items, like prami or caber. I was running high enough amounts that at one point i was actually able to squeeze my right nipple hard enough and get some fluid out. FREAKED ME OUT!!!! I was also running test above normal trt amount, and developed small bit of gyno. Although i was taking an AI, i believe now it was bunk.

What i personally notice is that if i micro dose my test daily i don't seem to convert at such a high rate.

Here is a few other studies on AI

In Some men, they noticed weaker sex drive and erectile function

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1206168


Significant drop in HDL with an ai (with 280mg of test).

High-density lipoprotein cholesterol is not decreased if an aromatizable androgen is administered. - PubMed - NCBI


I think blood work is definitely the key here, too high estro = not good, too low = bad as well.