Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?

[thoroughlyconfused]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

And you do not have a deficiency to warrant exogenous test


...... then why didn't your doctor prescribe you anavar if that's a treatment for it? ......they didn't, because it's not.


Doctors do not prescribe anabolic steroids for any of these conditions, because anabolic steroids are not a treatment for them.

Think for a second which one of you might know better. The entire medical community who has had access to all of these drugs for decades...... or you

It's not you bub .

Ok? And so if everyone reccomends I don't do it then I won't? What alternatives do people here reccomend? Is just bpc 157, tb500 and low dose hgh good?

 

[BigDadd7]

You a s bigdas didn't even read what the threads were about and just said some random bullshit why would I listen to either of you? Absolutely will take everyone else's advice though

But I also can't do nothing..maybe skipping test and anvar isn't the answer but I absolutely need more then just bpc 157 and tb500. If you had the injuries I had you'd want a healing boost too.

Still tarded

 

[Slowww]

Ok? And so if everyone reccomends I don't do it then I won't? What alternatives do people here reccomend? Is just bpc 157, tb500 and low dose hgh good?

What is your bpc, tb, and hgh protocol looking like? Also how about rehab and treatment for the injuries. Using those compounds works best with active physical therapy, and they do 100% work if they apply to the type of injury and it’s real.
For bicep tendinitis for example, they are not applicable.

 

[BigDadd7]

Somewhere between these two.

 

[Elektrobot]

What alternatives do people here reccomend?

...... Maybe try loosing the 40 pounds you talked about needing to get rid of in your previous posts

Obvious things are obvious Mr. knee injury.

Fkn tard

 

[Elektrobot]

For bicep tendinitis for example, they are not applicable.

Can attest to this

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Lmao test to heal a list of injuries. And “I’ll only do one cycle while injured!” Anybody who juices and has been injured will tell you test is not doing jack for that kind of thing. “I don’t want a lot of muscle so I should do it while injured” is the weirdest and probably dumbest cope I’ve ever heard. Did your doctor recommend this?

Pro tip: People “act like smug assholes” because your posts and attitude merit that kind of response

Broski I've been nothing but nice to anyone whose been nice to me? I'm asking the questions because I don't know. Then there's dumbasses responding smug comments with nothing that even mildly relates to the post

And it's only two people they've just been the first two, to reply to my last two threads. I appreciate legit advice not people going on about random stuff that doesn't relate

 

[Slowww]

Can attest to this

this is a common problem. People think it’s a cure-all panacea but it isn’t. And they also don’t do the actual rehabilitative work that is necessary. I’ve seen guys get 0 from tb because they apply it to something like a degenerative problem, nerve issues, or impingement. Personally I have rehabbed a herniated lumbar spine with it damn near fully in 8 weeks, using proper physical therapy and rehab methods with a moderately aggressive protocol, but I’ve seen guys who still push their injuries, or dont do rehab and use the compounds but then blame the compound for not making it improve fast enough.

 

[sionnach]

I was reading it's good for injuries, if it's no good I'll skip it

It being good for injuries is neither here nor there. You're in your early 20s, right? The best thing you can do right now is just get in shape, get your diet right, and get your sleep schedule together. In a decade, when you're fit as fuck, and can't get any fitter, come back and let's talk about the next phase.

You don't have bloodwork. You don't have any dexa data. You don't have any idea what your max is for any lifts, or even cardio for that matter. You were only able to do 3 pushups just a few months ago.

You don't need any cheat codes. The risk:reward doesn't make sense. Just put the work in. You'll blow this off like I'm talking down to you, but I promise this is legit bro to bro advice.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I'm considering it to get back to sports not to gain muscle. I don't want to gain a lot of muscle that would be a negative for my sport.

I don't see why people keep saying this in not trying to look better, gain muscle or be a bodybuilder. I've been unable to do my sport for two years which I live for and am desperate to get back

steroids arent magic, if you have injury or something do peptides and rehab exercises and avoid hgh imo. steroids wwill not make you super human or super athlete, just better than you were before, but maybe not even by much

 

[Slowww]

Broski I've been nothing but nice to anyone whose been nice to me? I'm asking the questions because I don't know. Then there's dumbasses responding smug comments with nothing that even mildly relates to the post

And it's only two people they've just been the first two, to reply to my last two threads. I appreciate legit advice not people going on about random stuff that doesn't relate

I think that then you need to put more useful information for input instead of these kind of half baked ideas that can easily catch flack and get you into little flame wars hahaha.

For example: i have bicep tendinitis, i have done abc, it’s helped with XYZ but it’s still a problem, are there any other approaches i can take to alleviating this.

Thinking throwing test at the issue is really misguided. Especially if you have a list of problems, there is no way this is going to have a simple solution like a basic steroid for several months. Also having so many issues that have lasted longer than a year means it is probably going to take much more in depth and constructive discussion and work to find solutions, and you probably need to seek professional help.

 

[dinfar1337]

as a fellow 23 year, please dont let this guy or other people stain your opinions on people of my age.

there is serious people like me who actually does their research and want to give everything for this enhanced life. and many very young upcoming bodybuilders are very smart, take sam sulek or genetic anomaly as a example.

thank you

 

[Elektrobot]

as a fellow 23 year, please dont let this guy or other people stain your opinions on people of my age.

there is serious people like me who actually does their research and want to give everything for this enhanced life. and many very young upcoming bodybuilders are very smart, take sam sulek or genetic anomaly as a example.

thank you

I think anyone who shows up like this dude did would get the same response regardless of their age.

There is a huge difference between showing up as "I have training logs for the past 3 years that demonstrate growth and maturity in my training. My food plan is rock solid, I weigh and track everything. I sleep 44 hours a night. I would like to start learning about how I can implement PED's into my training to further my gains."

vs

.... and this is an actual quote... his actual title of this thread:"

Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?"​

And when everyone tells him it's really dumb... he argues back like he's the one who knows

It's not an age thing. Anyone of any age can be that dumb.

 

[Laxman3221]

I'm considering it to get back to sports not to gain muscle. I don't want to gain a lot of muscle that would be a negative for my sport.

I don't see why people keep saying this in not trying to look better, gain muscle or be a bodybuilder. I've been unable to do my sport for two years which I live for and am desperate to get back

What gay ass sport is being stronger with more muscle not good for? you on the chess team?

 

[Bandern]

I think you should heal your injuries with test (???) and prove all these haters wrong!! When the test heals your injuries (???) post your Olympic gold medal for the luge or whatever

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

What gay ass sport is being stronger with more muscle not good for? you on the chess team?

Boxer broski. Weight classes. Already at a height disadvantage do not need to be heavier

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

What is your bpc, tb, and hgh protocol looking like? Also how about rehab and treatment for the injuries. Using those compounds works best with active physical therapy, and they do 100% work if they apply to the type of injury and it’s real.
For bicep tendinitis for example, they are not applicable.

Interesting why doesn't it work for the tendonitis? The tendonitis is caused because of the shoulder instability I have and the tendon being relied on to try and keep the shoulder in place according to my physio

This is two comments asking for the history I'm happy to do a write up after work, only reason I did not is I assumed it would be too long and no one would reply.

I haven't tried hgh in only considering it

But yes I'm heavy on pt, stretching, foam rolling, getting acupuncture, massaging, everything I can. I'll do a write up after work

With bpc and tb500 I used the full fragment not the synthetic as that's all the place I got from sold

I started with 250 MCG twice a day for both and eventually raised to 500 MCG twice a day for both since the half life for the full chain is short, ik that's a high dose but am desperate, I did this for 12 weeks. Been off for a month or two have ordered more

 

[Liter O' Test]

Boxer broski. Weight classes. Already at a height disadvantage do not need to be heavier

so in addition to acne scarring, worse joints, gyno, no natural testosterone production, hair loss, you will also have TBI

sounds good

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

...... Maybe try loosing the 40 pounds you talked about needing to get rid of in your previous posts

Obvious things are obvious Mr. knee injury.

Fkn tard

I did lost 15 kg then went back into a slight surplus to help aid injury healing. The only reason I was overweight is because I've been in a consistent surplus the time I've been injured which is 2 years

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

It being good for injuries is neither here nor there. You're in your early 20s, right? The best thing you can do right now is just get in shape, get your diet right, and get your sleep schedule together. In a decade, when you're fit as fuck, and can't get any fitter, come back and let's talk about the next phase.

You don't have bloodwork. You don't have any dexa data. You don't have any idea what your max is for any lifts, or even cardio for that matter. You were only able to do 3 pushups just a few months ago.

You don't need any cheat codes. The risk:reward doesn't make sense. Just put the work in. You'll blow this off like I'm talking down to you, but I promise this is legit bro to bro advice.

My diets great, I track everything including micro nutrients, weigh everything. I only got overweight because I've been in a consistent caloric surplus while injured trying to promote healing. And I lost that which is arguably good or bad for healing.

Sleep I'm doing my best but I've always had issues I'm going to get a sleep study

I do have blood work for before I took anything

I got up to 100 kg bench 280 kg leg press and 150 kg squat. I had a flare up in the wrist though pushing a bit too far when it was feeling good. The tendonitis and knee injuries are recent

Before the knee injury I was doing a insane amount of cardio and tracked every session with a heart rate monitor? Wym I have no cardio data?

I'm not blowing this off I appreciate the advice, the only two people I've blown off are the people who responded talking about shit completely irrelevant to what my post was about. I do heavily focus on everything you said? I thought this would be a obvious given that I focus heavily on diet rehab etc if I'm asking about peds