Nandrolone no ester source

[baxter0312]

Testosterone 1 mg Troches

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[AlexDavis43]

I dose with an insulin syringe with the needle cut off
Anyway do you think there would be health benefits to switching besides lower impact on hematocrit?

Iirc the scrotum paper also showed a bigger increase in DHT by applying testosterone cream to your nut sack. Apparently a lot of 5-alpha reductase down there.

 

[readalot]

Testosterone 1 mg Troches

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Thanks for posting. Brings up a good point. These would dissolve too fast. Need to add some higher MW PEG to slow the dissolution rate so the Flux through the oral mucosa using the buccal route matches the dissolution rate. See that nice recipe I posted up earlier in thread.

You don't want a lot of liquid just sitting around. That's why the sublingual route is inferior to buccal. Dilution with saliva which lowers the driving force and promotes swallowing.

 

[baxter0312]

Thanks for posting. Brings up a good point. These would dissolve too fast. Need to add some higher MW PEG to slow the dissolution rate so the Flux through the oral mucosa using the buccal route matches the dissolution rate. See that nice recipe I posted up earlier in thread.

You don't want a lot of liquid just sitting around. That's why the sublingual route is inferior to buccal. Dilution with saliva which lowers the driving force and promotes swallowing.

I remember when i was taking a certain medication sublingually i would put it in my mouth while still in bed then go back to sleep for another half hour before getting up. This solved the problem of saliva flooding the mouth.

 

[readalot]

I remember when i was taking a certain medication sublingually i would put it in my mouth while still in bed then go back to sleep for another half hour before getting up. This solved the problem of saliva flooding the mouth.

Just don't choke. Safety first.

 

[readalot]

Was having a conversation a while back and found some additional resources for those interested...


View: https://youtu.be/ugxfuLUqBW4


Good technique and discussion of suspension details for pouring.

https://pharmlabs.unc.edu/wp-storage/labs/formulation_records/cepastat_troches_form.pdf

https://pharmlabs.unc.edu/wp-storage/labs/formulation_records/morphine_troches_form.pdf

Ketamine Hydrochloride 10-mg Troches

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[readalot]

View:

Not great technique but you get the idea. Last part is PEG troche.

Guy in first video shared above (post 86) knows what he is doing.

 

[Photon]

I made some buccal troche lozenges, out of curiosity, after seeing this thread.
Adrol 20mg.

Pros:
- Easier/less mess to make vs capping enteric coated capsules.
- Tastes fking good, i used 2% menthol, . Will add coffee extract next time.
- Takes about 20-30 minutes to dissolve when placed on the gumline.
- You actually feel it kicking in.

Cons:
- Not sure about bioavailability vs enteric coated capsules.
- Made of PG and doesn't break off evenly even if it's scored, which makes dosing accurately difficult. I can see why UGL won't touch this.
- Also breaks on impact.

Janoshik Analytical

Each troche is 1mg and scored, can be broken into 4 pieces.

 

[verylargeshoes]

I made some buccal troche lozenges, out of curiosity, after seeing this thread.
Adrol 20mg.

Pros:
- Easier/less mess to make vs capping enteric coated capsules.
- Tastes fking good, i used 2% menthol, . Will add coffee extract next time.
- Takes about 20-30 minutes to dissolve when placed on the gumline.
- You actually feel it kicking in.

Neat! How much do you think actually gets absorbed versus swallowed? Got any indirect methods of estimating that, like reduction in GI impact?

 

[Photon]

Neat! How much do you think actually gets absorbed versus swallowed? Got any indirect methods of estimating that, like reduction in GI impact?

That's the part, I don't really know the % improvement in the absorption rate lol. I place my orals in enteric coated capsules so it bypasses the stomach either way which reduces any impact it has on my GI.

I think the key benefit is that troches kick in harder/quicker and is more consistent since it doesn't have to go through your digestive system. You can have a heavy meal, use a troche and it will kick in all the same regardless, right before your workout.

I'm pretty sure IM is 100% absorption, as for troche, i'd say it's at least at the absorption rate of whatever oral you're taking. There are prescription anavar troches (really expensive), but the oral bioavability is already at 97% so..

 

[verylargeshoes]

That's the part, I don't really know the % improvement in the absorption rate lol. I place my orals in enteric coated capsules so it bypasses the stomach either way which reduces any impact it has on my GI.

Seems like the enteric capsules are a more surefire way to skip over the stomach, at the cost of the digestive delay. With a troche, you’re likely swallowing *some* of the API, right?

 

[Photon]

Seems like the enteric capsules are a more surefire way to skip over the stomach, at the cost of the digestive delay. With a troche, you’re likely swallowing *some* of the API, right?

Yes you swallow abit at the end (or spit it out), but majority of it should have been absorbed within the 20-30 minutes it stays at your gumline, due to the low molecular weight of all the orals. I actually feel it hitting quicker/harder vs poping a pill and waiting for it go through your digestive system.

 

[eery]

I made some buccal troche lozenges, out of curiosity, after seeing this thread.
Adrol 20mg.

Pros:
- Easier/less mess to make vs capping enteric coated capsules.
- Tastes fking good, i used 2% menthol, . Will add coffee extract next time.
- Takes about 20-30 minutes to dissolve when placed on the gumline.
- You actually feel it kicking in.

Cons:
- Not sure about bioavailability vs enteric coated capsules.
- Made of PG and doesn't break off evenly even if it's scored, which makes dosing accurately difficult. I can see why UGL won't touch this.
- Also breaks on impact.

Janoshik Analytical

Each troche is 1mg and scored, can be broken into 4 pieces.
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impressive, how do you make these?

 

[readalot]

I made some buccal troche lozenges, out of curiosity, after seeing this thread.
Adrol 20mg.

Tremendous! Well done.

Pros:
- Easier/less mess to make vs capping enteric coated capsules.
- Tastes fking good, i used 2% menthol, . Will add coffee extract next time.
- Takes about 20-30 minutes to dissolve when placed on the gumline.
- You actually feel it kicking in.

Did you use the PEG MW combo in the recipe above or what?

Cons:
- Not sure about bioavailability vs enteric coated capsules.
- Made of PG and doesn't break off evenly even if it's scored, which makes dosing accurately difficult. I can see why UGL won't touch this.

I'd think the biggest issue UGL would have would be them melting in transit. To avoid you'd have to use a higher MW PEG that wouldn't dissolve in the mouth very well. You can tailor the dissolution rate with the PEG MWD used.

- Also breaks on impact.

Janoshik Analytical

Each troche is 1mg and scored, can be broken into 4 pieces.

Each troche contains 20 mg?

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Thanks so much for sharing your success.

 

[Photon]

impressive, how do you make these?

Tremendous! Well done.


Did you use the PEG MW combo in the recipe above or what?



I'd think the biggest issue UGL would have would be them melting in transit. To avoid you'd have to use a higher MW PEG that wouldn't dissolve in the mouth very well. You can tailor the dissolution rate with the PEG MWD used.


Each troche contains 20 mg?

Thanks so much for sharing your success.

Troche base - Techna 10
Weighing scale.
Beaker, raws, small spoon, heat, stir.
Cool in mold in the fridge.

Add flavoring if you want, i used concentrated menthol, you can get lemon/coffee, whatever flavoring.

No beaker? just use a cup.
Small spoon to break up any chunks.
It's too thick so a magnetic stirrer won't work.
It's more hands off than capping raws or making tabs.

To be more specific, each square has 80g of drol, which weighs 1.20g, which is scored into 4, which can be broken easily into 4 pieces, which contains 20mg drol each.

Melting point 40-50 C.

 

[readalot]

Troche base - Techna 10
Weighing scale.
Beaker, raws, small spoon, heat, stir.
Cool in mold in the fridge.

Add flavoring if you want, i used concentrated menthol, you can get lemon/ coffee, whatever flavoring.

No beaker? just use a cup.
Small spoon to break up any chunks.
It's too thick so a magnetic stirrer won't work.
It's more hands off than capping raws or making tabs.

To be more specific, each square has 80g of drol, which weighs 1.20g, which is scored into 4, which can be broken easily into 4 pieces, which contains 20mg drol each.

Melting point 40-50 C.

Very impressive variance with the quarters. Hat tip.

 

[Photon]

To be more specific, each square has 80mg of drol, which weighs 1.20g, which is scored into 4, which can be broken easily into 4 pieces, which contains 20mg drol each.

I forgot the m in front of the mg. Typos.

 

[xrayphoton13]

It is in realm of feasible (see turinabol cocktail saga and E Germans before that). Shared that in the steroid forum.

BTW I have a great data set showing test cream applied to anus or vulva has elimination half life under 1 hr. Similar to Natesto. But you really have to know what you are doing with WADA testing. Complicated is short answer.

Have you shared this data anywhere before? I don't have a vulva but I have test cream and an anus. However mixing the two I'm not so sure about.

I'm still reading through this thread. Definitely curious to see if you succeed in making nandrolone or any other troches

 

[TurboJet]

Troche base - Techna 10
Weighing scale.
Beaker, raws, small spoon, heat, stir.
Cool in mold in the fridge.

Add flavoring if you want, i used concentrated menthol, you can get lemon/coffee, whatever flavoring.

No beaker? just use a cup.
Small spoon to break up any chunks.
It's too thick so a magnetic stirrer won't work.
It's more hands off than capping raws or making tabs.

To be more specific, each square has 80g of drol, which weighs 1.20g, which is scored into 4, which can be broken easily into 4 pieces, which contains 20mg drol each.

Melting point 40-50 C.

Excellent work!

 

[xrayphoton13]

Troche base - Techna 10
Weighing scale.
Beaker, raws, small spoon, heat, stir.
Cool in mold in the fridge.

Add flavoring if you want, i used concentrated menthol, you can get lemon/coffee, whatever flavoring.

No beaker? just use a cup.
Small spoon to break up any chunks.
It's too thick so a magnetic stirrer won't work.
It's more hands off than capping raws or making tabs.

To be more specific, each square has 80g of drol, which weighs 1.20g, which is scored into 4, which can be broken easily into 4 pieces, which contains 20mg drol each.

Melting point 40-50 C.

So if I'm understanding correctly each mold contains 80mg anadrol and around 1g techna 10 plus sweetener/flavoring? I really want to try this out if I don't need a license to order the techna 10 and troche molds. I have raws for anadrol and superdrol that I could try. Thanks