50 years old doing first cycle.... Advise?

[driver76]

I am 50 years old and going to start my first cycle. I am planning on doing a 12 weeks cycle of Test E 250mg every 5 days. I have trained on and off most of my life. I have been solid the last 3 years. My diet is clean about 60% protein, 30% carbs, 10% fats. I am 6'4" 225 lb 16% bodyfat. I was thinking about adding Anavar the last 6 weeks. I am not trying to get crazy, just be able to make the gains I used to when I was younger.

I am trying to lose fat and gain muscle (isn't eveyone)

1. is this a reasonable cycle?
2. Should I train 1-2 body parts every day or keep my weights one day, cardio next program
3. How much cardio should I include
4. What PCT do I need with this

Any advise would be welcome

 

[HUGE.HULK]

If I were you, I'd do the following cycle: 500 mg of Test E+400 Deca (to keep your joints healthy)/week.
I'm curious about your testosterone level, though...at 50 years it must be half if not a third of what you had when you were 20.

 

[jeffz]

I agree. 500 mg test/500 mg decca per week. I am 50 years old too with similar stats and a similar workout history. You can skip the decca if you want, but it does help. The effects are amazing. You'll feel better in general, sleep better, have the sex drive you had when you were in your 20s, etc. Remember, time on equals time off -- You need to do a cycle, and then take a break for at least as long as the cycle. Enjoy and post your results.

 

[driver76]

Thanks for the input. Will the Deca make me retain water? What do you think about the Anavar. I play baseball and have heard that it helps with speed among other things.

Should I inject 250 test on Mon/Thur like I see a lot on here?

Also what about PCT. Do I need anything when I cycle off?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to do it right

 

[No Known Address]

I was 53 and trained naturally for 25 years before I did my first cycle which was a Test-only cycle. Only mistake I did on that one was try Prop to start it off Prop wasn't for me ... it felt like I took a 95 mph fast ball in the thigh after my first shot ! I kept trying to suck it up but no way , I couldn't fucking move the limb that I injected into let alone train. I then changed to Test E and all was good.

The next cycle I added Equipoise but noticed nothing different than using Test only. The cycle after that I did Test E and Tren E and that was it ... I was in love :drooling: !!! What I read about Tren being the ' juice from the Gods' wasn't an exaggeration . It gave me just the results I was after and am fortunate that I don't have the bad sides many experience when on it . I do lower doses of both items than most guys do so maybe that's why ... I've been cycling with just those two compounds ever since.

Good luck with your first cycle .

 

[driver76]

I've been seeing a lot on here saying no Deca for first cycle. I pinned both today on my start, but thinking of dropping to test only for the rest. I can always to the deca next cycle. I don't want a shut down either. Did 5x5 woekout today. I like it for sure.

Still no answer about PCT on this cycle..... anyone?

 

[solo47]

Stick with long-ester Test only for your first cycle, though you will shut-down during your cycle in any case. In my opinion, guys over 50 have little to fear from running AAS cycles since their natural testosterone levels are already so low. However, if you continue to cycle, you will almost certainly need HRT (hormone replacement therapy) since it will also be harder to even return to the older man's natural lower test levels. Good news izzat at our age, getting HRT once our BW has shown low levels of test is usually fairly easy, so you can cruise between cycles on something like 100 mg/wk of pharmaceutical testosterone, basically a young man's natural level. In that case, you won't need any PCT (post cycle therapy) since you will no longer have to worry about re-attaining natural test levels.

Having said that, the usual protocol for a smaller cycle like 500 mg/wk of Test (250 mg 2x/wk) for, say, 12 weeks is a waiting period of about three weeks after your last injection then use a SERM (either nolvadex or clomid or both) for 4-6 weeks. Stay off-cycle for as long as it takes to return to natural levels (whatever that is), usually as long off as you were on (including PCT). See Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) by Anthony Roberts for some things to think about, but probably too much information.

Many people say keep an AI like arimidex or aromasin on hand in case of gyno symptoms, though for a small cycle like this nolvadex on hand will do. Others say you may need HCG to keep the boys fat for during the cycle or for immediately afterwards. Probably unnecessary, but you could run it for 10 days right after your last inject at 500 iu/wk to kickstart the boys into action.

Good luck, and remember, it's never too late to live to the fullest.

Solo

 

[driver76]

Thanks for all the great information everyone.

I was thinking of kick starting with Dianabol 40mg/day for 4 weeks. Is this good for me?
So it would be 500mg test/wk for 12 weeks and 40mg Dianabol weeks 1-4 pct 50mg clomid/day for weeks 15-18

Solo,
thanks for the info especialy the PCT. I am hoping I come back to at least my normal levels. Last time I had it checked, it was at the high end of the range but that was 3 years ago.
One of my problems is I don't have medical insurance right now to get HRT.

 

[Reinheart]

Solo, excellent advice as always!!!

Deca is a really bad idea for your age unless you want to get on TRT. It's usually very hard to recover from it.

500mgs test for 10-12 weeks is optimal and should yield some wonderful gains!

40mgs D-bol is on the very high side and only experienced users should venture this high or even higher.

20-25mgs, 30mgs at the very maximum is a good starters dose.

(On a side note, i gained 27lbs on my first, 6 week, d-bol only cycle at 20mgs).

 

[HUGE.HULK]

Your own test secretion is low at 50 so test E will shut it down anyway. With Deca you'll protect your joints.

 

[solo47]

Thanks for all the great information everyone.

I was thinking of kick starting with Dianabol 40mg/day for 4 weeks. Is this good for me?
So it would be 500mg test/wk for 12 weeks and 40mg Dianabol weeks 1-4 pct 50mg clomid/day for weeks 15-18

Solo,
thanks for the info especialy the PCT. I am hoping I come back to at least my normal levels. Last time I had it checked, it was at the high end of the range but that was 3 years ago.
One of my problems is I don't have medical insurance right now to get HRT.

That much Dbol will be a jolt to your system, which may be fun or not-so-fun. Hard for me to digest that shit, too, & I hate the water bloat in my old face. Working out over three weeks, while your libido, strength, & (occasionally) impatience grow THEN seeing physical changes begin to manifest is a good experience, too. Your choice, of course.

You have a very good PCT plan, but I do think you need to go at least four weeks. Clomid may have strange physical or emotional sides, so just ignore them.

Good luck!

Solo

 

[driver76]

I am dropping the dbol to 20mg/day. Is taking it all when I wake up ok? Like I said in the begining, I am not trying to go crazy, I just want some decent gains. I am running my pct for 4 weeks and will start 3 weeks after my last pin.

Two more questions:

Do you think doing the 5x5 workout is enough? It is only 3 days a week. I am pretty sore though.

Is it ok if I get a couple of meals from drinks? I do monster milk post work out and mucsle milk light before bed. I sometimes add another shake if I am in a hurry.

Thanks for all the info you guys. Being a 50 year old newbie is hard.

 

[solo47]

I am dropping the dbol to 20mg/day. Is taking it all when I wake up ok?

If you're going to run it and this is your first cycle, do 30 mg/day, morning, noon, & PW.

Like I said in the begining, I am not trying to go crazy, I just want some decent gains. I am running my pct for 4 weeks and will start 3 weeks after my last pin.

Two more questions:

Do you think doing the 5x5 workout is enough? It is only 3 days a week. I am pretty sore though.

My suggestion: Plan for a workout every day, changing muscle groups each day, about 50 minutes. Do cardio 3 times EW 20-30 min. However, give yourself enough latitude that you probably only get in 5 days a week — listen to your body.

Is it ok if I get a couple of meals from drinks? I do monster milk post work out and mucsle milk light before bed. I sometimes add another shake if I am in a hurry.

Definitely do protein shakes, but get at least 3 squares, as well.

Thanks for all the info you guys. Being a 50 year old newbie is hard.

I started the roid after 50 (after learning all I could right here on Meso). I'm still learning & still living the life.

Solo

 

[desert]

Hoping all you elder brothers in iron are still at it. I have chosen to stop cycling and just cruise indefinitely. I add compounds here and there (also known as "blasting") and am really enjoying life. My physique is excellent for my age (almost 49) and libido is alive and well. I'm currently running Test C (my cruise base) @ 300 mg/wk. Also pinning boldenone at 450mg/wk. I started the Bold mostly for joint repair but really love the tightness and quality lean muscle I'm getting. been on it for 5 months now and I really like it. I'll be throwing in 50mg/ED Tren Ace starting September. You don't want to run Tren when its hot!
Anyway, keep at it brothers.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Hoping all you elder brothers in iron are still at it. I have chosen to stop cycling and just cruise indefinitely. I add compounds here and there (also known as "blasting") and am really enjoying life. My physique is excellent for my age (almost 49) and libido is alive and well. I'm currently running Test C (my cruise base) @ 300 mg/wk. Also pinning boldenone at 450mg/wk. I started the Bold mostly for joint repair but really love the tightness and quality lean muscle I'm getting. been on it for 5 months now and I really like it. I'll be throwing in 50mg/ED Tren Ace starting September. You don't want to run Tren when its hot!
Anyway, keep at it brothers.

Theres a bunch of us 50 plus juicers here , more than you would imagine . And we are looking pretty damn good too . Need a Meso 50+ physique contest ~Ogh

 

[Big_paul]

I am 50 years old and going to start my first cycle. I am planning on doing a 12 weeks cycle of Test E 250mg every 5 days. I have trained on and off most of my life. I have been solid the last 3 years. My diet is clean about 60% protein, 30% carbs, 10% fats. I am 6'4" 225 lb 16% bodyfat. I was thinking about adding Anavar the last 6 weeks. I am not trying to get crazy, just be able to make the gains I used to when I was younger.

I am trying to lose fat and gain muscle (isn't eveyone)

1. is this a reasonable cycle?
2. Should I train 1-2 body parts every day or keep my weights one day, cardio next program
3. How much cardio should I include
4. What PCT do I need with this

Any advise would be welcome

We are the same age bro. I hear what you are saying. We are not the same people we were 20 yrs ago, we are better now
You are on what is the minimum effective dosage for test other than what would be used for trt. You are at right around 300mg ew. You will see some benefit from that. Someone else mentioned 500mg ew and that's not a bad idea.
Research pct and have everything on hand you need before you begin. With a low dose chances are you will not need an AI, but you never know, so have one just in case.
As far as training, do what you do normally, If you are looking to tone and drop some bf, cardio is important. Basically you are turning back the the hands of time bro and you will respond like you use to in the day, and most likely better.
It keeps me coming back.
Any questions along the way post up.

 

[dper726]

Theres a bunch of us 50 plus juicers here , more than you would imagine . And we are looking pretty damn good too . Need a Meso 50+ physique contest ~Ogh

The 50+ juicers here have more impressive physiques then 90% of the 20-30 age range lifters

 

[Big_paul]

Looks like you got the attention of all of us old geezers here at meso

 

[Big_paul]

I agree. 500 mg test/500 mg decca per week. I am 50 years old too with similar stats and a similar workout history. You can skip the decca if you want, but it does help. The effects are amazing. You'll feel better in general, sleep better, have the sex drive you had when you were in your 20s, etc. Remember, time on equals time off -- You need to do a cycle, and then take a break for at least as long as the cycle. Enjoy and post your results.

For the first cycle, I feel he is better off sticking with test only. Using deca adds more variables to the mix.If he has a problem how do you figure out if it's the deca or the test. If it is the deca, his AI isn't going to do anything. Then you may need to add dostinex.
One step at a time bro. My 2 cents.

 

[ATodd]

Theres a bunch of us 50 plus juicers here , more than you would imagine . And we are looking pretty damn good too . Need a Meso 50+ physique contest ~Ogh

Please don't!!! I have a feeling alot of you guys would severly bruse my ego. Actually I think that's an awsome idea. I remember when I was a bit younger and only a little less ignorant as i am now, I used to say "I don't want to live past 35. Time and perspective changes. Every day is a gift. Show us not how to age gracefully, but how to grab father time by the throat and make him your bitch!
atodd