60 yr old male first starting hgh

[Pericles]

NYTL,

Years of teachiong the 13th and 14th grade have made me an expert at simplifying complex ideas. Dr Scally posted a piece of literature that basically says that as we get older. Hematocrit becomes a concern. H'crit refers to the amount of RBC in your blood which makes it "thicker."

High RBCs' are great for endurance athletes, but for us older guys it can be problematic, to say the least. Thicker blood=higher chance of strokes.

Labs will determine your levels. I get mine done every 6 months.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh Vic I believe I've asked that previously, and IME when the response is generic so is the GH.

 

[jacked44]

Almost all the generic GH out there causes you to gain a lot of water weight. I ran it years ago and didn't really like it. I have never used pharm grade due to the high price, but I hear that it gives you much drier (sp?) results.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh and Mr "expert simplifier" the problem with your "simplifications" is somewhere between the authors original comment and your INTERPRETATION, the content is lost as is it's meaning!

For instance Dr Scally NEVER posted an article about males developing erythrocytosis complications, as a function of age, because that is simply NOT THE CASE!

That's correct Mr simplifier!

However Dr S and I have both posted articles about the increased incidence of erythrocytosis (generally defined as a Hct greater than 54%) in MALES EXCLUSIVELY ON TRT!

And yes the occurrence of erythrocytosis and to some extent it's complications (independent of other risk factors) are more common in those males greater than 55-60 years old.

However what is even more important, is the "increased incidence" wanes over time having reached a peak at roughly 3-4 months.

The net effect only 10-15% of TRT patients "need" phlebotomy to reduce their H&H and thereby circumvent complications

Jim

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Almost all the generic GH out there causes you to gain a lot of water weight. I ran it years ago and didn't really like it. I have never used pharm grade due to the high price, but I hear that it gives you much drier (sp?) results.

Anyone else have any input on this ^^^ ?

 

[Demondosage]

Anyone else have any input on this ^^^ ?

The water weight is more of an initial side effect that goes away after about the first 6 wks. GH is best to run at 1-2iu/day and used the way its supposed to be for replacement. Anything higher yields absolutely terrible side effects such as nausea, vomiting, extreme fatigue, and with prolonged usage diabetes. Hygetropin is good, it is considered pharm grade now, although not sold to any pharmacies in the US I dont believe, but the newer hyges are considered pharm grade. They are good GH

 

[Dr JIM]

Even though the Chinese manufactures of "Hygetropin" use WTO approved and trademarked E-Coli technology, there is no such thing as "Pharm Grade" for any controlled substance coming out of China, IMO.

Fact is, this is true for all of Asia where "black market" AAS and rHGH sales EXCEED those of pharm grade sales. Consequently, quality control and assurance approximates zero in many instances.

I've tested several GH products including
"Hyges" from Asia and only one out of ten meet US FDA concentration standards (within 5% of that which is advertised) and 6 had NO detectable GH whatsoever!

If you really want pharm grade be willing to pay for it AND ensure the manufacture is NOT based in Asia, IMO.

Jim

 

[Stretch]

Even though the Chinese manufactures of "Hygetropin" use WTO approved and trademarked E-Coli technology, there is no such thing as "Pharm Grade" for any controlled substance coming out of China, IMO.

Fact is, this is true for all of Asia where "black market" AAS and rHGH sales EXCEED those of pharm grade sales. Consequently, quality control and assurance approximates zero in many instances.

I've tested several GH products including
"Hyges" from Asia and only one out of ten meet US FDA concentration standards (within 5% of that which is advertised) and 6 had NO detectable GH whatsoever!

If you really want pharm grade be willing to pay for it AND ensure the manufacture is NOT based in Asia, IMO.

Jim

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You need to talk to your hyge supplier(s). They got you. Genuine HYGES if stored and transported properly are the shit. Same for RIPS.

The water weight is more of an initial side effect that goes away after about the first 6 wks. GH is best to run at 1-2iu/day and used the way its supposed to be for replacement. Anything higher yields absolutely terrible side effects such as nausea, vomiting, extreme fatigue, and with prolonged usage diabetes. Hygetropin is good, it is considered pharm grade now, although not sold to any pharmacies in the US I dont believe, but the newer hyges are considered pharm grade. They are good GH

^^This^^

 

[biggerben69]

Rips are really the only generics that CONSISTANTLY test well. I understand that hyges for the last few months are the hot thing and guys are loving them....but for how long.
If I was to purchase rips there are only 2 suppliers I would trust.....actually, only one now. The "P" is requiring all sorts of ridiculous personal info for new customers now. I'm talking like he's coming across like an info collector that would use all your info against you if he gets busted. He'd trade info for a reduced sentence with the feds. There's no other explanation that I buy for what he's doing.
The other guy is still golden. I hear recently that there are some east coast guys having packs seized recently from him, though. Others are receiving.
Rips are notorious for causing a lot of water retention. Some guys you don't see how great they work and how wonderful you look until you come off? Well most guys don't compete and don't wanna come off just to look their best for a certain date.
I've never used generics. I'm a couple of months into my first ever gh run. I'm running serostim at 4iu's/ed. I get them from an hiv patient/patients here where there is a large gay population and many of those fellas would rather sell them and buy methamphetamine.
I'm gonna post some pics in a couple of months and see where I'm at. I've lowered my aas intake as it's been high for a long time. I'm running 400mg TestCyp(Watson/hg)/ew...about 400-500mg of TNE/ew.....60mg anavar/ed and 400mg tren e along with my gh. I'm also taking 100mcg's of hg T4/ed

 

[Stretch]

Rips are really the only generics that CONSISTANTLY test well. I understand that hyges for the last few months are the hot thing and guys are loving them....but for how long.
If I was to purchase rips there are only 2 suppliers I would trust.....actually, only one now. The "P" is requiring all sorts of ridiculous personal info for new customers now. I'm talking like he's coming across like an info collector that would use all your info against you if he gets busted. He'd trade info for a reduced sentence with the feds. There's no other explanation that I buy for what he's doing.
The other guy is still golden. I hear recently that there are some east coast guys having packs seized recently from him, though. Others are receiving.
Rips are notorious for causing a lot of water retention. Some guys you don't see how great they work and how wonderful you look until you come off? Well most guys don't compete and don't wanna come off just to look their best for a certain date.
I've never used generics. I'm a couple of months into my first ever gh run. I'm running serostim at 4iu's/ed. I get them from an hiv patient/patients here where there is a large gay population and many of those fellas would rather sell them and buy methamphetamine.
I'm gonna post some pics in a couple of months and see where I'm at. I've lowered my aas intake as it's been high for a long time. I'm running 400mg TestCyp(Watson/hg)/ew...about 400-500mg of TNE/ew.....60mg anavar/ed and 400mg tren e along with my gh. I'm also taking 100mcg's of hg T4/ed

Looking forward to your results from the GH. How you like it so far BB? Can I ask how much the HIV patients hypothetically charge?

How recent are those reports about P? You know for sure he is doing this? A friend of a friend picked up 500iu from him recently (2 months ago) and he wasn't required to submit fingerprints or anything.

 

[biggerben69]

Looking forward to your results from the GH. How you like it so far BB? Can I ask how much the HIV patients hypothetically charge?

How recent are those reports about P? You know for sure he is doing this? A friend of a friend picked up 500iu from him recently (2 months ago) and he wasn't required to submit fingerprints or anything.

The P thing has been on a few other boards lately and said by guys I know. I can't tell you exactly when it started but it sounds fairly recent.
The sick gheys around these parts charge anywhere between $250 and $400 for 5mg(105iu's) and 6mg(126iu) serostim kits.
2 months ago was the last time I paid $250. The guy bumped me. I know he was fucking lying to me, though. He told me the guy he was selling them to before me recently offered him $300 and then asked me if I would be willing to beat that price.
I know he was fucking with me. Speed freak. I guess I wasn't really paying $250 because I was also paying the girl that put me in contact with the guy cash for each kit every month even after she was out of the picture. I did this for reasons like what he did or worse. If he pulled anything her money would get fucked up too.
She's a meth addict also and was livid when he bumped me because I told her he's making it so I can't pay her. She tried to get him under control but the drugs and his death sentence gave him courage to tell her to "fuck off".
The least expensive I've seen from a "legitimate" online source for a 126iu kit is $750. Mostly it's $800-$900. These are confirmed legit kits delivered.
There are counterfeit serostim kits out there.

 

[foreveryoung]

ben, what is your favorite "method" to figure out whether your hgh is good? would it work to go high dose for the first week to see guaranteed side effects?

I hate the not knowing when you are doing small dose for months of something expensive and it is subtle so you are not sure

 

[Mike Oxbig]

ben, what is your favorite "method" to figure out whether your hgh is good? would it work to go high dose for the first week to see guaranteed side effects?

I hate the not knowing when you are doing small dose for months of something expensive and it is subtle so you are not sure

Get lab work.

 

[Dr JIM]

On spot BB that's the lower end of what legit rHGH will cost.

It can't be made or produced in some backyard garage and the manufacturing cost (lab facilities, personal, genetically engineered substrate bacteria or fungi etc,) for even LOW END rHGH will run between 1-2 million bucks!

Consequently I'd be very hesitant to believe or purchase ANY GH for less than $5/IU, or at least understand, it will NOT be the fully concentrated product of 3IU/MG agreed to internationally by the WHO.

For those whom choose not to believe what I'm referring to fine, but I'll test your product and prove my point and POST the data on Meso FREE (after the manufacturer submits their own reliable lab data that supports their "proof" of legitimacy)

jimmy

 

[Dr JIM]

Granted, since Hyge's COULD be produced by a legit manufacturer (albeit Chinese) and "Rips" are ALWAYS a "generic GH" product, with no way to determine whom the original producer is, no doubt I would more apt to believe the former is GTG compared to the latter.

jim

 

[Demondosage]

All GH comes from pretty much 1 of 2 manufacturers in the world, its no different than buying a television labeled Sony with the same parts as panasonic inside. Bodybuilders used to spend over 100k/yr on drugs on the pro level, until about 8-10 yrs ago. That amount has been cut in half due to China and lowered cost of HGH. Guys now can run 2-3 kits a month as its more affordable for them, 90% of it cannot be all fake. The numbness in your hands, carpel tunnel, lethargy, its all side effects of HGH. Your not going to run baby powder and bacterio water and get these side effects!! Look at these guys now, they are coming in bigger and bigger. And its not from $800/kit "REAL GH" No Sir, they are banging more GH than ever because of the lowered cost and mass distribution. Hyges are good, I've watched people blow up using them, guys aint getting GH guts because they used fake shit, thats for sure

 

[biggerben69]

ben, what is your favorite "method" to figure out whether your hgh is good? would it work to go high dose for the first week to see guaranteed side effects?

I hate the not knowing when you are doing small dose for months of something expensive and it is subtle so you are not sure

I'm not sure it's a "method", but every month the same 2 infected and tweaking homosexuals come by my humble abode after filling their scripts for serono serostim. They come by a couple of times each month with some of their friends stuff too.
They are carrying a Walgreens bag. The Walgreens they visit is inside the "Desert AIDS Project" building. The kits have their names on them still and are completely sealed and currently have exp dates of 11/2015. That's good enough for me.
These guys get their kits at no cost to them. Cal Med foots the bill. The way I see serostim most frequently prescribed is (4) 6mg 126iu kits per month. There are (7) 18iu vials in each kit. 4 kits mult by 7 vials per kit is 28 vials. A months supply. These guys take 18iu's per day!!! Can you imagine?
I do know one guy who gets only (2)5mg 105iu kits per month?
Serono also makes a 4mg multi use vial kit that comes with bac water in place of the reg sterile water the other 2 kits come with.
If you ever use serostim, don't use the sterile water. Get bac water as it will extend the shelf life of the reconstituted gh that you will be keeping in your fridge.
The cost without insurance of a months supply(4kits) of serostim is approximately $10,000. This is fact.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I'm not sure it's a "method", but every month the same 2 infected and tweaking homosexuals come by my humble abode after filling their scripts for serono serostim. They come by a couple of times each month with some of their friends stuff too.
They are carrying a Walgreens bag. The Walgreens they visit is inside the "Desert AIDS Project" building. The kits have their names on them still and are completely sealed and currently have exp dates of 11/2015. That's good enough for me.
These guys get their kits at no cost to them. Cal Med foots the bill. The way I see serostim most frequently prescribed is (4) 6mg 126iu kits per month. There are (7) 18iu vials in each kit. 4 kits mult by 7 vials per kit is 28 vials. A months supply. These guys take 18iu's per day!!! Can you imagine?
I do know one guy who gets only (2)5mg 105iu kits per month?
Serono also makes a 4mg multi use vial kit that comes with bac water in place of the reg sterile water the other 2 kits come with.
If you ever use serostim, don't use the sterile water. Get bac water as it will extend the shelf life of the reconstituted gh that you will be keeping in your fridge.
The cost without insurance of a months supply(4kits) of serostim is approximately $10,000. This is fact.

Wow.. That's crazy. Seems like you have quite the hookup though!!

If only I could be fortunate enough to know 2 infected tweaking homosexuals...

 

[cobra500]

OMG! I had no idea it was that expensive! I understand its pharm grade but what makes it so expensive?

 

[SwoleNinja]

What do you guys think about Kefei hgh?