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An over 40 forum section?

Gonna bump this, see if we can keep it going. I like the idea of an old guy forum. 


For some things the age of the person posting doesn't matter (e.g., experience with a source, lab testing, etc.), but for others it makes a difference.

This is not meant to offend the “kids” on this site. If I could go back in time and talk to myself when I was 25 I wouldn't take advice on most things heath related from myself. 


I'd like to get some perspective from fellow geezers. I've used various PEDs (including, on occasion, AAS) at different points in my life, but always for very specific reasons or to achieve specific goals, none of which were fitness related per se. Nothing long term. I guess you’d call them very infrequent mild “blasts”.
While I have some very limited familiarity with AAS, I've never been on them for any length of time or tried to understand side effects beyond what was relevant to my use at the time. And some of the new shit I have no familiarity with, so I'm looking for some feedback. I'm starting TRT soon and the doc I'm working with seems to be on their game, but additional perspective is always helpful. I'm not one for taking medical advice from strangers on the internet, but I don't mind crowd sourcing information. When I get enough people with experience telling me the same thing it helps to point me in more fruitful directions when doing my own research.

They're going to start me out on 50 mg test e twice a week (100 mg total/week), 500 iu hCG twice a week (1000 iu total/week), 0.5 mg anastrozole (don't remember how often but I think that's 0.5 mg/week), and 1mg/2.5mg CJC-1295/Ipamorelin once a week.

These are my numbers prior to starting treatment:
Total Test - 660 ng/dL
Free Test - 97 pg/mL
SHBG - 58.2 nmol/L
E2 - 23.4 pg/mL
IGF-1 - 168 ng/mL
Cortisol - 9.7
TSH - 1.32 uIU/mL
LH - 4.2 mIU/mL
FSH - 2.7 mIU/mL
T4 - 7.4 ug/dL
Free T4 - 1.53 ng/dL
Free T3 - 3.2 pg/mL

Based on my own research so far, I'm a little surprised I actually got prescribed TRT with 660 total test. With that said, the approach they are taking seems reasonable.

I'm not sold on the need for an AI. I will use it until my follow up blood work in 2 months, but depending on where my E2 is sitting I may drop it.

I haven't done enough research on the CJC/IPA combo. Its expensive and I don't want to spend the money on it if it's all placebo effect or the effects I experience are due to the test e/hCG and I just have no idea because of my limited experience with test and absolutely no experience with hCG.

After the initial recheck blood work I have the option of only having blood work once a year, but I will probably do it every 6 months. I may add on some other AAS (e.g., mast p or e) as I get more familiar with everything, but every 6 months should give me plenty of time to get back to where I need to be.

Thanks brothers.
 
Pickled_Herring said:
Gonna bump this, see if we can keep it going. I like the idea of an old guy forum. 


For some things the age of the person posting doesn't matter (e.g., experience with a source, lab testing, etc.), but for others it makes a difference.

This is not meant to offend the “kids” on this site. If I could go back in time and talk to myself when I was 25 I wouldn't take advice on most things heath related from myself. 


I'd like to get some perspective from fellow geezers. I've used various PEDs (including, on occasion, AAS) at different points in my life, but always for very specific reasons or to achieve specific goals, none of which were fitness related per se. Nothing long term. I guess you’d call them very infrequent mild “blasts”.
While I have some very limited familiarity with AAS, I've never been on them for any length of time or tried to understand side effects beyond what was relevant to my use at the time. And some of the new shit I have no familiarity with, so I'm looking for some feedback. I'm starting TRT soon and the doc I'm working with seems to be on their game, but additional perspective is always helpful. I'm not one for taking medical advice from strangers on the internet, but I don't mind crowd sourcing information. When I get enough people with experience telling me the same thing it helps to point me in more fruitful directions when doing my own research.

They're going to start me out on 50 mg test e twice a week (100 mg total/week), 500 iu hCG twice a week (1000 iu total/week), 0.5 mg anastrozole (don't remember how often but I think that's 0.5 mg/week), and 1mg/2.5mg CJC-1295/Ipamorelin once a week.

These are my numbers prior to starting treatment:
Total Test - 660 ng/dL
Free Test - 97 pg/mL
SHBG - 58.2 nmol/L
E2 - 23.4 pg/mL
IGF-1 - 168 ng/mL
Cortisol - 9.7
TSH - 1.32 uIU/mL
LH - 4.2 mIU/mL
FSH - 2.7 mIU/mL
T4 - 7.4 ug/dL
Free T4 - 1.53 ng/dL
Free T3 - 3.2 pg/mL

Based on my own research so far, I'm a little surprised I actually got prescribed TRT with 660 total test. With that said, the approach they are taking seems reasonable.

I'm not sold on the need for an AI. I will use it until my follow up blood work in 2 months, but depending on where my E2 is sitting I may drop it.

I haven't done enough research on the CJC/IPA combo. Its expensive and I don't want to spend the money on it if it's all placebo effect or the effects I experience are due to the test e/hCG and I just have no idea because of my limited experience with test and absolutely no experience with hCG.

After the initial recheck blood work I have the option of only having blood work once a year, but I will probably do it every 6 months. I may add on some other AAS (e.g., mast p or e) as I get more familiar with everything, but every 6 months should give me plenty of time to get back to where I need to be.

Thanks brothers.
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660 is average for a 20 year old, I'm not sure I'd bother. I only went from 280ish to 560ish on 100mg a week. Once you start trt most people consider it for life because you lower your natural levels, but most doctors won't put you above 1000. Maybe squirrel it away and do a blast and use the hcg to help PCT. Why are you doing it, what's your goal, are you okay with being on trt for life?
 
Regular Joe said:
660 is average for a 20 year old, I'm not sure I'd bother. I only went from 280ish to 560ish on 100mg a week. Once you start trt most people consider it for life because you lower your natural levels, but most doctors won't put you above 1000. Maybe squirrel it away and do a blast and use the hcg to help PCT. Why are you doing it, what's your goal, are you okay with being on trt for life?
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Yeah, that was my feeling with the 660 total test. I was shocked when they offered a script for test. I asked a bunch of questions because I was worried about just shutting down my natural production and ending up no better off. I don't want to go on TRT and end up worse off.

As to my goals they are two fold. The first has nothing to do with TRT and I would have looked to AAS even if I didn't get a script. The second goal is why I looked into TRT before just going the UGL route:

1. Following a pretty bad injury I lost a lot of muscle mass/strength/mobility in one of my legs. I've regained a lot of the mobility but I'm struggling to put muscle on that leg. I can't build muscular strength/endurance the way I used to when I was younger and it's limiting my ability to recover. I do work to isolate that leg, although I should and will do more. The main problem is when doing compound lifts that involve the lower body (e.g., squats, dead lifts, cleans, etc.) I sometimes compensate and it throws me out of alignment. So, I really want to jump start muscle growth in this leg if possible.

2. I looked into TRT first because I've notice that my libido and stamina have decreased gradually for the last several years. More recently I've been dealing with a mental fog and severe issues with focus. I've always had problems with attention, but this is because I'm hyper aware of my surroundings. Recently however, I can't maintain focus for long enough to remember what I saw too my right when I look to my left as I pull into an intersection, so the opposite of being hyper aware. Lastly I never needed a lot of sleep to function at a relatively high level before. Quality of sleep was more important than quantity and I could get quality sleep anywhere, it really didn't matter. Now I'm sleeping 8 hrs. a night in a comfortable bed and I can barely drag my ass out of bed in the morning. I've had a lot of tests trying to figure out what's going on and I was hoping low T might be to blame. Sort of a last resort beyond just getting old.

I will give TRT a try and see if it helps with goal 2 and/or goal 1. If it doesn't help with goal 2 I will probably just figure out a mild blast to jump start the muscle growth in my leg. But I will need to figure out how to do it without losing the gains when I come of the blast.
 
I'm not a bodybuilder or a power lifter. In the past I would lift weights and do other types of strenuous activity because it was required, not because I loved doing it. It was just something I had to do. That’s still true to some degree, but as I’ve gotten older my reasons have changed some.

I have my own answers for the following questions. I’m curious how people outside of my orbit will answer them.

For the old guy crowd, why do you lift weights?

What keeps you motivated to lift weights?

For how many of you is vanity one possible answer to these questions but you wouldn’t have wrote it for some shit reason despite the fact that you’re on an anonymous message board a lot of which deals with bodybuilding?

I don’t want any answers from 20 year olds cause you’re all vain as fuck and probably still not afraid to admit it. Nothing wrong with vanity, it’s become one of my motivators as I’ve gotten older. I’ve just found most men I know around my age or older won’t admit one of the reasons they continue to work out is vanity.
 
Pickled_Herring said:
I'm not a bodybuilder or a power lifter. In the past I would lift weights and do other types of strenuous activity because it was required, not because I loved doing it. It was just something I had to do. That’s still true to some degree, but as I’ve gotten older my reasons have changed some.

I have my own answers for the following questions. I’m curious how people outside of my orbit will answer them.

For the old guy crowd, why do you lift weights?

What keeps you motivated to lift weights?

For how many of you is vanity one possible answer to these questions but you wouldn’t have wrote it for some shit reason despite the fact that you’re on an anonymous message board a lot of which deals with bodybuilding?

I don’t want any answers from 20 year olds cause you’re all vain as fuck and probably still not afraid to admit it. Nothing wrong with vanity, it’s become one of my motivators as I’ve gotten older. I’ve just found most men I know around my age or older won’t admit one of the reasons they continue to work out is vanity.
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As a +50 YO that used to bench over three plates for reps at 130lbs natty in 20's & 30's and squat six/seven+ - the answer to what keeps you motivated is...nothing.

Lifting/body building is absolutely the most mind numbing, boring thing on Earth, next to watching television, UNLESS you have a severe mental illness.

I don't and routinely quit far before reaching my potential, numerous times.

That is, you have to be fixated to an extremely unnatural degree that to continue the unhealthily process will somehow bring balance to your severely fucked up outlook on life.

It never does. It never will.

You're welcome
 
Pickled_Herring said:
Yeah, that was my feeling with the 660 total test. I was shocked when they offered a script for test. I asked a bunch of questions because I was worried about just shutting down my natural production and ending up no better off. I don't want to go on TRT and end up worse off.

As to my goals they are two fold. The first has nothing to do with TRT and I would have looked to AAS even if I didn't get a script. The second goal is why I looked into TRT before just going the UGL route:

1. Following a pretty bad injury I lost a lot of muscle mass/strength/mobility in one of my legs. I've regained a lot of the mobility but I'm struggling to put muscle on that leg. I can't build muscular strength/endurance the way I used to when I was younger and it's limiting my ability to recover. I do work to isolate that leg, although I should and will do more. The main problem is when doing compound lifts that involve the lower body (e.g., squats, dead lifts, cleans, etc.) I sometimes compensate and it throws me out of alignment. So, I really want to jump start muscle growth in this leg if possible.

2. I looked into TRT first because I've notice that my libido and stamina have decreased gradually for the last several years. More recently I've been dealing with a mental fog and severe issues with focus. I've always had problems with attention, but this is because I'm hyper aware of my surroundings. Recently however, I can't maintain focus for long enough to remember what I saw too my right when I look to my left as I pull into an intersection, so the opposite of being hyper aware. Lastly I never needed a lot of sleep to function at a relatively high level before. Quality of sleep was more important than quantity and I could get quality sleep anywhere, it really didn't matter. Now I'm sleeping 8 hrs. a night in a comfortable bed and I can barely drag my ass out of bed in the morning. I've had a lot of tests trying to figure out what's going on and I was hoping low T might be to blame. Sort of a last resort beyond just getting old.

I will give TRT a try and see if it helps with goal 2 and/or goal 1. If it doesn't help with goal 2 I will probably just figure out a mild blast to jump start the muscle growth in my leg. But I will need to figure out how to do it without losing the gains when I come of the blast.
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Yep. Give trt a try just remember to balance it with a therapeutic dose of UG 300mg per week on top. :)
 
"Lifting/body building is absolutely the most mind numbing, boring thing on Earth, next to watching television, UNLESS you have a severe mental illness."

Where in the fuck did you crawl out from under??????
 
RomanMVP said:
"Lifting/body building is absolutely the most mind numbing, boring thing on Earth, next to watching television, UNLESS you have a severe mental illness."

Where in the fuck did you crawl out from under??????
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IDK I kinda agree with him in a way. Some days it is completely mind numbing and monotonous to lift and others its not so bad. I'd say 33.3% of the time I'm completely zoned in and crushing it cause I'm in to the session that day and enjoying it, 33.3% of the time I'm just there, I don't hate it dont love it I might enjoy a certain lift or two that day but overall I'm just there, 33.3% of the time I hate it I'm only lifting cause I'm supposed to that day and I absolutely have to dig deep to get through the workout cause I'm just not interested in it that day.
 
bigpoppachump2 said:
IDK I kinda agree with him in a way. Some days it is completely mind numbing and monotonous to lift and others its not so bad. I'd say 33.3% of the time I'm completely zoned in and crushing it cause I'm in to the session that day and enjoying it, 33.3% of the time I'm just there, I don't hate it dont love it I might enjoy a certain lift or two that day but overall I'm just there, 33.3% of the time I hate it I'm only lifting cause I'm supposed to that day and I absolutely have to dig deep to get through the workout cause I'm just not interested in it that day.
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That's called "lack of motivation" or just plain laziness. There's NOTHING mind-numbing about the focus, drive, motivation and laser dedication it takes to train HARD! It's exhilarating with a high sense of accomplishment. And what about the feeling one gets immediately after a session. It's a high like no other! Not just the physical benefits but the mental as well. After a great wo I feel brand spankin' new across the board. Loving the feeling is a "severe mental illness?" You wanna do something that's mind numbing? Go jog 5 miles, putting one leg after another with no real exercise intensity.
 
may2021 said:
As a +50 YO that used to bench over three plates for reps at 130lbs natty in 20's & 30's and squat six/seven+ - the answer to what keeps you motivated is...nothing.

Lifting/body building is absolutely the most mind numbing, boring thing on Earth, next to watching television, UNLESS you have a severe mental illness.

I don't and routinely quit far before reaching my potential, numerous times.

That is, you have to be fixated to an extremely unnatural degree that to continue the unhealthily process will somehow bring balance to your severely fucked up outlook on life.

It never does. It never will.

You're welcome
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When did you start using gear? How much stronger did you get?
 
Test_Subject said:
That’s 455 though.

4 plates a side plus standard bar = 405
2 x 25 plates = 50
= 455 lbs

Your story isn’t adding up. Also, 4 + 1 plates is 5 plates, not “6 or 7+”.
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Yeah it really doesn’t. I knew a lot of fucking strong guys and no one was natty, weighed under 200lbs, and squatted 5+ plates that I knew.

I was like 23 or 24 on about 500mg test and 2ius of GH (5 days on 2 off) at 250lbs before I was squatting 6 plates for reps.

I just think he is confused.
 
BiggD said:
Yeah it really doesn’t. I knew a lot of fucking strong guys and no one was natty, weighed under 200lbs, and squatted 5+ plates that I knew.

I was like 23 or 24 on about 500mg test and 2ius of GH (5 days on 2 off) at 250lbs before I was squatting 6 plates for reps.

I just think he is confused.
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I don't give a fuck what you think. lol. I meant 4 plates and a 25 on each side for squat - 3 plates and a 25 on each side for bench. 130lbs. no gear. Oh... and when you're tiny and can out lift the guys on the football team that weigh 2x's what you do ... you get injured. I finally stopped after getting a hernia. Good luck.
 
may2021 said:
I don't give a fuck what you think. lol. I meant 4 plates and a 25 on each side for squat - 3 plates and a 25 on each side for bench. 130lbs. no gear. Oh... and when you're tiny and can out lift the guys on the football team that weigh 2x's what you do ... you get injured. I finally stopped after getting a hernia. Good luck.
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You obviously do give a fuck what I think or you wouldn’t be responding to that [emoji23] I wasn’t insulting ya so calm down bud. Sounds like you need a hug [emoji847]

It’s ok to be confused which is what you are and just admitted to. [emoji123]
 
salmonroll said:
41 here. 160mg/week TRT.
Currently using ~400mg T Cyp. Planning on switching to T Prop 2 weeks before my bloodwork...if I can find some prop I can tolerate using ED.

Question: What impacts does NPP have on bloodwork?

TIA
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It'll depends how it made. I always home brewed mine and had zero pip. As matter of fact it comes out smoother then anything I've ever made. Smoother then my TRT.
 
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