Anyone else about sick to fucking death of the term "social distancing"?

[Santiago]

It's not their fault. It is the fault of the politicians for enabling them and making this behavior acceptable! It's all the soft academics who haven't worked or bled a day of their lives. Then tell me how to live mine. They can get fucked!

We have a systemic cancer growing here in the West. Instead of cutting it out we coddle it and tell ourselves it's ok. We don't have the balls to do what necessary!

As for me....for now I always have the right to work harder! Damn right I'm going to, even if it doesn't come to much. At least my effort and self development means something. It sets a good example for my boy.

The problem with this is that you only point out what you see on the ground. Behind closed doors, in law offices and boardrooms the looting of taxpayers is far more extreme among the well off then it is by the poor.

There are countless families that suck this country dry to the tune of millions of dollars every year and the tax payer is forced to pay these entitled fuckers because they hold onto large lots of land and resources.

So while the poor seem to attract our attention, we have been taught to loath these people, to look down on them and call them vile scum, it's the rich fucks that took us to the cleaners.

If someone is getting paid $8000 a year to be bum it's a waste of money and society is appalled, but if someone owns 10,000 acres and we send them $1.7 million a year farm aid we don't even think about it.

 

[Human_backhoe]

The problem with this is that you only point out what you see on the ground. Behind closed doors, in law offices and boardrooms the looting of taxpayers is far more extreme among the well off then it is by the poor.

There are countless families that suck this country dry to the tune of millions of dollars every year and the tax payer is forced to pay these entitled fuckers because they hold onto large lots of land and resources.

So while the poor seem to attract our attention, we have been taught to loath these people, to look down on them and call them vile scum, it's the rich fucks that took us to the cleaners.

If someone is getting paid $8000 a year to be bum it's a waste of money and society is appalled, but if someone owns 10,000 acres and we send them $1.7 million a year farm aid we don't even think about it.

I agree on who is looting the money....

As a farmer. I have never taka single fucking penny of aid! Nor have I ever taken a bail out loan or anything of its kind!

I work 7 days a week just to pay for the farm to loose money because producing good real food is not yet profitable .Yes I have a shit ton of land.... That doesn't mean producing food the right way is profitable in my case......

Remember in all communist society's the industrious farmer is the first to be killed and starvation follows!

Also remember people have a choice in whether they use drugs and become useless or put in the work and better themselves

 

[juicy122]

I heard gyms are healing and the weights are returning to their racks. Maybe that's the good in all this

 

[ickyrica]

Apparently I'm now in the market for some countryside property and a minimum requirement of livestock...

 

[Millard]

@Millard Baker, do you agree, are concerned, or both.

I'm disappointed that there is so much outrage that is focused almost exclusively on the perceived loss of freedoms from public health recommendations like stay at home restrictions, social distancing and wearing masks. Those issues are trivial when it comes to the potential government abuses associated with contact tracing. Once again, people are distracted.

And once again, like in the aftermath of 9-11, the government will gain more sweeping surveillance powers during a crisis that it will most likely never give up long after the crisis ends. I fear this could be the case with contact tracing.

It does not have to be this way. Contact tracing, like most tools to fight pandemics, is extremely effective and supported by decades of research done by pandemic experts and epidemiologists.

For example, technological solutions to contact tracing that are decentralized can help preserve civil liberties. There has been discussion by Electronic Frontier Foundation over proposed Privacy-Preserving Contact Tracing. Sadly, this is apparently not going anywhere.

Instead, governments are being https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/28/technology/28reuters-health-coronavirus-spy-specialreport.html. by "surveillance and cyber-intelligence companies attempting to sell repurposed spy and law enforcement tools to track the virus and enforce quarantines". Such "centralized" tools may be more appealing to many governments.

However, and I'll say it again, you can treat the pandemic seriously and support efforts to fight it while simultaneously fighting to safeguard civil liberties. It's a false choice is anyone tells you you can only support one or the other.

 

[Santiago]

Also remember people have a choice in whether they use drugs and become useless or put in the work and better themselves

I'm not sure drug use is really the issue. I mean if that were the case we have lots of people who work wallstreet gakking lines of coke going homeless.

Welfare spending is really the result of people having children they can't afford to raise without help. It's not the result of some dude that never had kids or got married that likes to smoke weed.

If an able bodied man goes into a welfare office for money without a family most states will send him packing(midwest especially). So this really comes down to the people that are too stupid to stop pumping out babies, which I don't respect no matter the income.

As for work making someone useful. That would have to be qualified, we have a whole lot of people that sit on their ass and get paid top dollar for who they are, not what they do, or what they provide. Is it right to have some man out there busting his ass all day long while some fucker sits in his office with a cup of hot tea watching him while getting paid 100 times more an hour.

Working can and does equal slavery for many people. I don't think there's anything noble about being someones n*gger(not racist just using the term). The United States is a scam, you have one life to live. Being a good honest hardworking man will only get you busted up and into an early grave these days.

I'll be honest I despise this idea that you have to always be working in order to prove your worth. As long as you pay your own way, don't bother anyone, don't ask for handouts, and keep yourself to yourself I don't give a shit what you do or don't do, because most of the so called "work" that is being done in this country right now is mostly service bullshit that any of us could live without.

Having job is really a form of policing and keeping track of people. If a person isn't employed by someone, then we have no record of what they've been doing, so by default I assume they've been up to no good because that's the American way of doing everything.....assume people are worthless piles of shit if they aren't working 10-12 hours a day to pay taxes and support their community police and prisons to keep all of us in line like the slaves we are.

 

[Santiago]

However, and I'll say it again, you can treat the pandemic seriously and support efforts to fight it while simultaneously fighting to safeguard civil liberties. It's a false choice is anyone tells you you can only support one or the other.

It's a slippery slope. It's all or nothing. You give the government an inch and they always run with it. They have no concept of limited power.

Tracing doesn't mean much on its own until we look at our police state giving judges power to fine and jail. More legislators, more laws, more cops, more prisons, more money and assets seized and it never stops until we stop it.

 

[ickyrica]

And so the new handle begins...

 

[Logan44551]

And so the new handle begins...

My thoughts exactly!

 

[MisterSuperGod]

And so the new handle begins...

Has it been two weeks already?

 

[Santiago]

My thoughts exactly!

You guys gotta good eye. I would have never known.

 

[Logan44551]

Has it been two weeks already?

More like 2 days

 

[ickyrica]

You guys gotta good eye. I would have never known.

It's a puzzling event, this constant evolution you're living. Like a phoenix rising from the ashes. How poetic.

Hold on, I have buckshot at the ready.

 

[Human_backhoe]

@Santiago ..... What a fitting name given your first message. The birthplace of the revolution in Cuba . Then the complaints about land owners. This will never be Sweden .

For some of us "work" is truly fulfilling. Especially if you own your own business. The act of turning thoughts into reality is payment in itself. Whether building a machine or clearing land or plowing a field. It all starts as a vision. Through work, and planning you make that a reality. That's not slavery.

 

[flenser]

I'm disappointed that there is so much outrage that is focused almost exclusively on the perceived loss of freedoms from public health recommendations like stay at home restrictions, social distancing and wearing masks. Those issues are trivial when it comes to the potential government abuses associated with contact tracing. Once again, people are distracted.

And once again, like in the aftermath of 9-11, the government will gain more sweeping surveillance powers during a crisis that it will most likely never give up long after the crisis ends. I fear this could be the case with contact tracing.

It does not have to be this way. Contact tracing, like most tools to fight pandemics, is extremely effective and supported by decades of research done by pandemic experts and epidemiologists.

For example, technological solutions to contact tracing that are decentralized can help preserve civil liberties. There has been discussion by Electronic Frontier Foundation over proposed Privacy-Preserving Contact Tracing. Sadly, this is apparently not going anywhere.

Instead, governments are being https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/28/technology/28reuters-health-coronavirus-spy-specialreport.html. by "surveillance and cyber-intelligence companies attempting to sell repurposed spy and law enforcement tools to track the virus and enforce quarantines". Such "centralized" tools may be more appealing to many governments.

However, and I'll say it again, you can treat the pandemic seriously and support efforts to fight it while simultaneously fighting to safeguard civil liberties. It's a false choice is anyone tells you you can only support one or the other.

I haven't seen any enduring successes in reducing or blocking government surveillance, ever. Even when laws are enacted and supported by the courts, the spy agencies simply ignore them. The only functional solution IMO is to defeat them on an individual basis, but that has the unfortunate side affect of also defeating private contact tracing.

On complaining about the lock downs (I have been very vocal), there are two specific things that could have both reduced the spread of infection and the death rates significantly. They were the wearing of masks and isolating nursing homes. But the population was told masks don't work. As much as I read about this stuff I didn't figure out the truth for a couple of weeks. And nursing homes? Not only were they not isolated, but some states forced them to accept infected "recovering" patients.

So IMO government involvement (I count the MSM as government) was instrumental in both the excessive spread of infection and loss of life resulting from the virus. It may be trivial compared to the advance of the surveillance state, but it was something we could resist to some extent through civil disobedience and by educating others. My only regret is I didn't start making noise sooner.

 

[Santiago]

Has it been two weeks already?

No, but Yakov was arrested and sent to a gulag.

@Santiago ..... What a fitting name given your first message. The birthplace of the revolution in Cuba . Then the complaints about land owners. This will never be Sweden .

For some of us "work" is truly fulfilling. Especially if you own your own business. The act of turning thoughts into reality is payment in itself. Whether building a machine or clearing land or plowing a field. It all starts as a vision. Through work, and planning you make that a reality. That's not slavery.

This is true for you, but we can't force this view on all people. I can't sit there and tell someone since I love my work or enjoy the process that you to should love your work or you should seek out work that gives you the same experience.

It might be that some people simply will never find satisfaction from standing behind the plow and prefer to spend their time doing other things. That could be drugs, I wouldn't recommend it myself, but I have absolutely no right to tell another man how to live his life as long as he keeps his hands off others person and property.

If a person is able to supply their own needs without asking anyone for help, then it's none of my business what they do or don't do, because everything you build and create will go away one day. You're not creating a legacy, no one really remembers anyone that lived 300 years ago and even if they are remembered, what difference does it make to the person that doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Human_backhoe]

This is true for you, but we can't force this view on all people. I can't sit there and tell someone since I love my work or enjoy the process that you to should love your work or you should seek out work that gives you the same experience.

It might be that some people simply will never find satisfaction from standing behind the plow and prefer to spend their time doing other things. That could be drugs, I wouldn't recommend it myself, but I have absolutely no right to tell another man how to live his life as long as he keeps his hands off others person and property.

If a person is able to supply their own needs without asking anyone for help, then it's none of my business what they do or don't do, because everything you build and create will go away one day.

Agreed!

You're not creating a legacy, no one really remembers anyone that lived 300 years ago and even if they are remembered, what difference does it make to the person that doesn't exist anymore.

This is where I tend to disagree. We are a species that up until recently (relative) has almost relied entirely on stories to pass information on for future generations. Every day you create a legacy. All of your actions today do have a impact on the future. This does make a difference to some of us. Leaving behind the lessons learned. When people DO something it has a impact, good or bad. The way we raise the future generation NOW has far reaching consequences. It does make the life of that 300 year old dead guy important.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I am bleeding in the fields clearing land and struggling to sell garlic because no one wants to pay more. They will buy the Chinese shit that was fertilized with human feces and bleached with God knows what....but a bit more for local no way!

All this while fucking drug addicts swim in salt water.View attachment 129879

You paid $300 a night to stay there?

 

[Human_backhoe]

You paid $300 a night to stay there?

For a special occasion a long time ago. It is the nicest thing up my way lol

 

[Skard]

Authoritarians Using Coronavirus Fear to Destroy America
written by ron paul
monday may 11, 2020

A Fresno, California waffle restaurant dared to open its doors for business this weekend to the delight of a long line of customers, who waited up to two hours for the “privilege” of willingly spending their money in a business happy to serve them breakfast on Mother’s Day. This freedom of voluntary transaction is the core of what we used to call our free society. But in an America paralyzed by fear – ramped up by a mainstream media that churns out propaganda at a level unparalleled in history – no one is allowed to enjoy themselves.

Thankfully everyone carries a smartphone these days and can record and upload the frequent violations of our Constitutional liberties. In the case of the waffle restaurant, thanks to a cell phone video we saw the police show up in force and try to push through the crowd waiting outside. An elderly man who was next in line to enter was indignant, complaining that he had been waiting two hours to eat at the restaurant and was not about to step aside while the police shut down the place. The police proceeded to violently handcuff and arrest the man, dragging him off while his wife followed sadly behind him to the police car.

It is hard not to be disgusted by government enforcers who would brutally drag an elderly man away from a restaurant for the “crime” of wanting to take his wife out for breakfast on Mother’s Day. A virus far more deadly than the coronavirus is spreading from Washington down to the local city hall. Tin pot dictators are ruling by decree while federal, state, and local legislators largely stand by and watch as the US Constitution they swore to protect goes up in smoke.

Politicians with perfect haircuts issue “executive orders” that anyone cutting hair for mere private citizens must be arrested. In Texas a brave salon owner willingly went to jail for the “crime” of re-opening her business in defiance of “executive orders.” To add insult to injury, Governor Greg Abbott very quickly condemned the one week jail sentence of salon owner Shelley Luther – but the officers who arrested her were only carrying out Abbott’s own orders!

First we were told we had to shut down the country to “flatten the curve” so that hospitals were not overwhelmed by coronavirus patients. When most hospitals were nowhere near overwhelmed, and in fact were laying off thousands of healthcare workers because there were no patients, they moved the goalposts and said we cannot have our freedom back until a vaccine was available to force on us or the virus completely disappeared – neither of which is likely to happen anytime soon.

Many politicians clearly see the creeping totalitarianism but lack the courage to speak out. Thankfully, patriots like Shelley Luther are demonstrating the courage our political leaders lack.

When Patrick Henry famously said “give me liberty or give me death” in 1775, he didn’t add under his breath “unless a virus shows up.” If we wish to reclaim our freedoms we will have to fight – peacefully – for them. As Thomas Paine wrote in 1776, “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”