Anyone else about sick to fucking death of the term "social distancing"?

CDC quietly releases the numbers on SARS-COV2.

Where’s the coverage, media??

Press releases appear to only matter when they can cause a frenzy.

Just to update:

* Ro = 2.5. I’ve had this graphic for over a month. Why did it take so long for the CDC to release this same information to the public?? And why do so, so covertly?

* NOTHING to indicate it lives or spreads from surfaces (testing now completed via lab)

* NOTHING to indicate any transfer opportunities from an Asymptomatic Carrier

* NOTHING to indicate that you can be re-infected (testing now completed on the prior suspected reinfections showed the tests hit positive on dead virus because the tests couldn't distinguish live from dead at that time)

* The new death rate is .26% (0.0026). This includes people who died in hospices from existing disease, traumas and other causes of deaths who cultured positive post mortem or didn't culture at all but lives with someone who did.

As reference, the flu is 0.1-0.3%

Ro and SCFR by age and new links in this CDC page. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavir…/…/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Explains what you’re looking at on the CDC page
https://www.conservativereview.com/…/horowitz-cdc-confirms…/

Further corroborates.
Facts about Covid-19

Surfaces
https://www.foxnews.com/…/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not…

Asymptomatic carriers
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/…
“...there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission.”
https://www.who.int/…/situa…/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf

Reinfections
https://www.sciencenews.org/…/coronavirus-covid19-reinfecti…

Are you angry yet? We destroyed the economy over this. We tore apart friends and families over this. We attacked our fellow AMERICANS over this. THEY MANIPULATED OUR EMOTIONS over this.

For what? To make money. For a “treatment” with a cost of $1000 per dose that showed a measly 3.6% drop in fatality rate, and a reduction in ICU from 15 to a “whopping” 11 days as a standard of care (remdesivir)? Despite ample data that another cheaper treatment at 60¢ per dose that works when given early and paired with zinc. Have you seen one hydroxychloroquine study that was done where they gave it at the onset of symptoms and paired it with zinc? No. You saw one where they gave it as a last ditch Hail Mary when it was already too late for antivirals to work, and no mention of zinc.

https://aapsonline.org/a-tale-of-two-drugs-money-vs-medica…/

Why? Nothing could interfere with the $750 BILLION they stand to gain from the vaccine for the entire planet.

Profits over science. Profits over LIVES and livelihoods!!

And to chip away at our freedoms.

Time to get angry at the SOURCE. And not each other. STAND TOGETHER and FIGHT for our constitutional LIBERTIES before it’s TOO LATE.

Let me be clear. The media (most of them) are the problem. But the SOURCE is the pharmaceutical interests that fund them, and threaten them, control them. The puppet masters need to be stopped.
What, are you some kind of racist, fascist, or conspiracy theorist?
This type of nonsense benefits no one.
The super wealthy are super wealthy because they are better and smarter than you.
Get yourself in line and do exactly what they tell you to do.
They really only have your best interests in mind.

Forget about rumors about Bill Gates; that he was born into a wealthy banking family with connections to IBM and the Rockefellers..How the Rockefellers took over the American medical system and have been involved in eugenics for over a hundred years, and how they are connected to the Rothschilds, who have controlled Europe and much of the world for hundreds of years...engineering chaos and complete destruction of entire countries like the world is a monopoly game. All more conspiracy theories.

I mean, one glance at Bill Gates should immediately tell you that his genes are far superior to yours.:)
 
Bill Gates revolutionized the world, he brought us one of the shittiest, slowest, buggiest, vulnerable operating systems known to man.

We had a perfect system based on Unix that ran firecracker fast and was secure, but the masses went with Bills pile of shit.

So anyone that could create a world class system like Windows, would have my upmost respect. I would have no problem rolling up my sleeve to carry out my patriotic duty to receive 10cc's of Bills secret formula chemical lobotomy cancer causing eugenics vaccine, why not, the man has done everything else right so far?
 
Like all unknown threats extremes tend to permeate the opinions of a biased populous interpreting “data”.

jim
 
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Another expert apparently following this thread..

‘Nothing can justify this destruction of people’s lives’

Yoram Lass, former director of Israel’s Health Ministry, on the hysteria around Covid-19.

spiked
22nd May 2020


Countries across the world have been in lockdown for months in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The costs of the policy are enormous – in terms of life, liberty and the economy. But is it worth it to save lives? Yoram Lass was once the director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Health. Lass is a staunch critic of the lockdown policy adopted in his native Israel and around the world. He has described our response to Covid-19 as a form of hysteria. spiked caught up with him to find out more.

spiked: You have described the global response to coronavirus as hysteria. Can you explain that?

Yoram Lass: It is the first epidemic in history which is accompanied by another epidemic – the virus of the social networks. These new media have brainwashed entire populations. What you get is fear and anxiety, and an inability to look at real data. And therefore you have all the ingredients for monstrous hysteria.

It is what is known in science as positive feedback or a snowball effect. The government is afraid of its constituents. Therefore, it implements draconian measures. The constituents look at the draconian measures and become even more hysterical. They feed each other and the snowball becomes larger and larger until you reach irrational territory. This is nothing more than a flu epidemic if you care to look at the numbers and the data, but people who are in a state of anxiety are blind. If I were making the decisions, I would try to give people the real numbers. And I would never destroy my country.

spiked: What do the numbers tell us, in your view?

Lass: Mortality due to coronavirus is a fake number. Most people are not dying from coronavirus. Those recording deaths simply change the label. If patients died from leukaemia, from metastatic cancer, from cardiovascular disease or from dementia, they put coronavirus. Also, the number of infected people is fake, because it depends on the number of tests. The more tests you do the more infected people you get.

The only real number is the total number of deaths – all causes of death, not just coronavirus. If you look at those numbers, you will see that every winter we get what is called an excess death rate. That is, during the winter more people die compared to the average, due to regular, seasonal flu epidemics, which nobody cares about. If you look at the coronavirus wave on a graph, you will see that it looks like a spike. Coronavirus comes very fast, but it also goes away very fast. The influenza wave is shallow as it takes three months to pass, but coronavirus takes one month. If you count the number of people who die in terms of excess mortality – which is the area under the curve – you will see that during the coronavirus season, we have had an excess mortality which is about 15 per cent larger than the epidemic of regular flu in 2017.

Compared to that rise, the draconian measures are of biblical proportions. Hundreds of millions of people are suffering. In developing countries many will die from starvation. In developed countries many will die from unemployment. Unemployment is mortality. More people will die from the measures than from the virus. And the people who die from the measures are the breadwinners. They are younger. Among the people who die from coronavirus, the median age is often higher than the life expectancy of the population. What has been done is not proportionate. But people are afraid. People are brainwashed. They do not listen to the data. And that includes governments.

spiked: Do the lockdowns have any positive effect on people’s safety?

Lass: Any reasonable expert – that is, anyone but Professor Ferguson from Imperial College who would have locked down everybody when we had swine flu – will tell you that lockdown cannot change the final number of infected people. It can only change the rate of infection. And people argue that by changing the rate of infection and ‘flattening the curve’, we prevented the collapse of hospitals. I have shown you the costs of lockdown, but this was the argument in favour of it. But look at Sweden. No lockdown and no collapse of hospitals. The argument for the lockdown collapses.

spiked: Why have some countries suffered so much more than others from Covid-19?

Lass: For example, you can compare Italy to Israel. In the Middle East, this virus is not really working. There are two reasons. One is that there is a very young population, and the other is that the climate is different. In the latitude of 50 degrees, which is Europe, and 40, which is the north-eastern United States, the virus is much more viable. Italy has the oldest population in the world apart from Japan. Italians are also are heavy smokers and very social people – they keep hugging and kissing. If you look at the numbers, in 2017, 25,000 Italians died from flu complications. Now you have around 30,000 dying from coronavirus. So it is a comparable number. You should not ruin a country for comparable numbers.

spiked: What has it been like in Israel?

Lass: In Israel, we have two layers of fear. The hysteria is similar to the rest of the world. However, we have a prime minister who has been resuscitated by coronavirus by adding another layer of fear. I do not think there is any other prime minister who has spoken about coronavirus in terms of the medieval Black Death, the Holocaust and the end of humanity in this way. Did Boris Johnson mention the Black Death? I do not think so. That is the special situation in Israel.

spiked: How does coronavirus compare to past pandemics?

Lass: If you look at the 1950s, we had the Asian flu. In the 1960s, there was the Hong Kong flu. These were worse than this pandemic. Also, look at the story of swine flu in 2009, which began exactly the same as coronavirus. A new virus originated in Mexico. There was no vaccine so it was very frightening. It spread all over the world. It infected one billion people. A quarter of a million people died. But there was no lockdown, no Ferguson, nothing – people were far more interested in the economic crisis that hit a year before in 2008. They did not have time to give attention to this nonsense.

spiked: Will the pandemic be over soon?

Lass: The virus, like the influenza virus, is saying farewell to western Europe for sure. The same in the Middle East. In the United States, we do not know yet, so we should talk in a month from now. But nothing can justify this destruction of people’s lives. It is unbelievable.

Yoram Lass was talking to Fraser Myers.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

Epidemiologist Knut Wittkowski on the deadly consequences of lockdown.

SPIKED
15th May 2020
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Governments around the world say they are following ‘The Science’ with their draconian measures to stem the spread of the virus. But the science around Covid-19is bitterly contested. Many experts have serious doubts about the effectiveness of the measures, and argue that our outsized fears of Covid-19 are not justified. Knut Wittkowski is one such expert who has long argued for a change of course. For 20 years, Wittkowski was the head of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University’s Center for Clinical and Translational Science. spiked spoke to him to find out more about the pandemic.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/youtube-censors-epidemiologist-knut-wittkowski-for-opposing-lockdown/

By Jon Levine

May 16, 2020 | 1:10pm | Updated


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Big Tech companies are aggressively tamping down on COVID-19 “misinformation” — opinions and ideas contrary to official pronouncements.

Dr. Knut M. Wittkowski, former head of biostatistics, epidemiology and research design at Rockefeller University, says YouTube removed a video of him talking about the virus that had racked up more than 1.3 million views.

I was just explaining what we had,” Wittkowski told The Post of the video, saying he had no idea why it was removed. The footage was produced by the British film company Journeyman Pictures.

“They don’t tell you. They just say it violates our community standards. There’s no explanation for what those standards are or what standards it violated.”

“Anything that goes against [World Health Organization] recommendations would be a violation of our policy and so removal is another really important part of our policy,” (YouTube) CEO Susan Wojcicki told CNN.
 
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My understanding is he made estimates based on cruise ships using the number of infected with and without symptoms. Then determined the number of asymptomatic people in different countries based on the number of known infections with symptoms and the ratio from the cruise ships.


Why didn't he publish the results for others to review, which is required if the objective is to be taken seriously from an evidence based perspective.

The latter is important because the absence of unbiased data interpretation is what has allowed unreliable epidemiological models to flourish.

And these models are and will continue to be the focal point of our "response" to this pandemic, until reproducible data avails itself.

JIM
 
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CDC quietly releases the numbers on SARS-COV2.

Where’s the coverage, media??

Press releases appear to only matter when they can cause a frenzy.

Just to update:

* Ro = 2.5. I’ve had this graphic for over a month. Why did it take so long for the CDC to release this same information to the public?? And why do so, so covertly?

* NOTHING to indicate it lives or spreads from surfaces (testing now completed via lab)

* NOTHING to indicate any transfer opportunities from an Asymptomatic Carrier

* NOTHING to indicate that you can be re-infected (testing now completed on the prior suspected reinfections showed the tests hit positive on dead virus because the tests couldn't distinguish live from dead at that time)

* The new death rate is .26% (0.0026). This includes people who died in hospices from existing disease, traumas and other causes of deaths who cultured positive post mortem or didn't culture at all but lives with someone who did.

As reference, the flu is 0.1-0.3%

Ro and SCFR by age and new links in this CDC page. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavir…/…/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Explains what you’re looking at on the CDC page
https://www.conservativereview.com/…/horowitz-cdc-confirms…/

Further corroborates.
Facts about Covid-19

Surfaces
https://www.foxnews.com/…/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not…

Asymptomatic carriers
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/…
“...there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission.”
https://www.who.int/…/situa…/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf

Reinfections
https://www.sciencenews.org/…/coronavirus-covid19-reinfecti…

Are you angry yet? We destroyed the economy over this. We tore apart friends and families over this. We attacked our fellow AMERICANS over this. THEY MANIPULATED OUR EMOTIONS over this.

For what? To make money. For a “treatment” with a cost of $1000 per dose that showed a measly 3.6% drop in fatality rate, and a reduction in ICU from 15 to a “whopping” 11 days as a standard of care (remdesivir)? Despite ample data that another cheaper treatment at 60¢ per dose that works when given early and paired with zinc. Have you seen one hydroxychloroquine study that was done where they gave it at the onset of symptoms and paired it with zinc? No. You saw one where they gave it as a last ditch Hail Mary when it was already too late for antivirals to work, and no mention of zinc.

https://aapsonline.org/a-tale-of-two-drugs-money-vs-medica…/

Why? Nothing could interfere with the $750 BILLION they stand to gain from the vaccine for the entire planet.

Profits over science. Profits over LIVES and livelihoods!!

And to chip away at our freedoms.

Time to get angry at the SOURCE. And not each other. STAND TOGETHER and FIGHT for our constitutional LIBERTIES before it’s TOO LATE.

Let me be clear. The media (most of them) are the problem. But the SOURCE is the pharmaceutical interests that fund them, and threaten them, control them. The puppet masters need to be stopped.

None of your references are viable, not even Fox News
 
I don't think numbers of cases or deaths are the concern in this matter. We all know this was purely political and was orchestrated to collapse the economy.

The democrats would have burned this country to the ground if needed to regain the WH. They tried everything else and nothing would stick, but a miracle dropped into their lap, this was the answer to all their prayers.

Collecting data at this point is impossible, the bodies have been covered with dirt or sent to the ovens, you can't trust the hospitals to be honest.

It's a no brainer, if I was in charge of a hospital budget I'd present all my doctors with a long list of symptoms and their ICD-10 codes, so they diagnose every patient with C19 and watch that money roll in.
 
Why didn't he publish the results for others to review, which is required if the objective is to be taken seriously from an evidence based perspective.

The latter is important because the absence of unbiased data interpretation is what has allowed unreliable epidemiological models to flourish.

And these models are and will continue to be the focal point of our "response" to this pandemic, until reproducible data avails itself.

JIM

I'm not sure I agree with that first part. Ferguson's model was not entirely evidence based, and the original source code is still not available for review. Yet it formed the basis of recommendations from epidemiologists that prompted multiple governments to impose the lockdowns responsible for so much economic devastation. And there was no change in policy once that model was shown to be disastrously wrong.

There was also overwhelming evidence as well as multiple studies showing the detrimental effects on life and property those lockdowns would cause, but those data and studies were ignored.

On why he didn't publish his results, I wouldn't presume to guess his mind. However, he may well have decided the virus would have run its course long before the peer review process accepted a paper with such politically incorrect findings. He may also still be planning to publish.

I agree with the rest with one exception. Governments will continue to focus on those conclusions that promote the greatest degree of government control without regard to poor data, or incompetent and biased researchers. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, just that grant money tends to flow to those who consistently provide desirable results.
 
I don't think numbers of cases or deaths are the concern in this matter. We all know this was purely political and was orchestrated to collapse the economy.

The democrats would have burned this country to the ground if needed to regain the WH. They tried everything else and nothing would stick, but a miracle dropped into their lap, this was the answer to all their prayers.

Collecting data at this point is impossible, the bodies have been covered with dirt or sent to the ovens, you can't trust the hospitals to be honest.

It's a no brainer, if I was in charge of a hospital budget I'd present all my doctors with a long list of symptoms and their ICD-10 codes, so they diagnose every patient with C19 and watch that money roll in.

ICD codes are NOT a physicians proclamation with respect to the cause of death

Do you know what a death certificate is?

PCD or Primary Cause of Death (a disease or condition that was directly responsible for a patients demise)

SCD or Secondary Cause of Death (a disease or condition that may have impacted a patients demise)

A hypoglycemic diabetic mortally tears the aorta in a car crash.
PCD = Aortic Transection
SCD = Hypoglycemia

Thus comorbidities are almost always listed as SCD while the PCD is reserved for those who present with, have clinical features of, or risk factors for a SPECIFIC DIAGNOSIS, in this case COVID-19

Finally essentially all patients undergo COVID-19 testing if the Primary Cause of Death is either NOT listed, marked as UNKNOWN or INDETERMINATE.

JIM
 
And what evidence is acceptable, Dr. Fauci? Bill Gates?

Ive learned to be cautious about suggesting there is NO evidence supporting OR refuting COVID-19 specific data.
 

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Is fomite transmission or asymptomatic disease a significant contributor of COVID-19 community spread ? Based upon EXISTING evidence, unless one works of lives in an HIGH risk area ---- NOPE

So we no longer have to sanitize our homes interior, the driveway, personal belongings or car tires ---- correct --- but washing those hand a couple times a day is still a good idea AND always has been.

jim
 
Actually I was able to access one of your references (facts about COVID-19) which is full of non-evidence based RUBBISH, and is obviously the primary source of your commentary.
Turns out his numbers were accurate. Do a simple good search of CDC “best estimate”. Numerous articles will come up. I haven’t taken the time to find it on the cdc website yet.
Essentially the CDC is predicting an infection fatality rate of 0.26% and for those under the age of fifty it drops to 0.05%. Even CNN is reporting it. Of course on CNN they found a doctor to dispute the findings.
 
You are simplifying the CDC report!

And what are all these scenarios predicated upon?

Models that are unable to account for differences in HUMAN BEHAVIOR and thats a critical distinction because the latter IS primarily responsible for the spread of this disease.

As one of those doctors that actually treats patients with COVID-19 I KNOW the mortality will far exceed that of influenza. There simply is NO comparison.

And based upon existing evidence the only means of achieving a mortality rate of less than 1% is a long term and steadfast quarantine of high risk patients.

This includes the homeless, street crawlers, nursing home and assisted living patients, barrio boys, and independent folk with DM, CHF, COPD and CA would also be required to STAY home ----- all of which will float like a lead ballon.

And that's the reality of the HUMAN FACTOR

Turns out his numbers were accurate. Do a simple good search of CDC “best estimate”. Numerous articles will come up. I haven’t taken the time to find it on the cdc website yet.
Essentially the CDC is predicting an infection fatality rate of 0.26% and for those under the age of fifty it drops to 0.05%. Even CNN is reporting it. Of course on CNN they found a doctor to dispute the findings.


jim
 

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You are simplifying the CDC report!

And what are all these scenarios predicated upon?

Models that are unable to account for differences in HUMAN BEHAVIOR and thats a critical distinction because the latter IS primarily responsible for the spread of this disease.

And as one of those doctors that actually evaluates patients with COVID-19 I KNOW the mortality will far exceed that of influenza. There simply is NO comparison.




jim
I haven’t simplified anything. The entire report is available on the cdc website. The serological data has consistently showed death rates many times lower than the original predictions and have shown the rates to be in the range of 0.1-0.3%. Point out where I have simplified the CDC data or stop shooting your mouth off.
 
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