At what testosterone doses can you go without aromatase inhibitors?

[G0ld]

You don't know what mood swings means in regards to aas, so your "reassurance" is based on absolutely nothing factual, it's just hubris. However, seeing as you plan on starting with a low dose, I think you'll be safe. And a note on 150 - 200mg's, those dosages will probably be too high for TRT. If you want to start at TRT, start at 75 to 100 mg's. And even 100mg's equals to 1000 ng/dl with free T above range for a lot of people, including me.

What I'm planning to do, is to start with a TRT dose, and then slowly start increasing the milligrams over time to see how far I can go without AIs. I also have to measure my aromatization rate, estrogen and estradiol levels, before I start using high doses.

How do you know what ng/dL levels is 100mg corresponding to? If you have studies showing what ng/dL of testosterone different doses correspond to, show it to me.

 

[G0ld]

I need it on anything above 200. Even on 200 I hold some water in my face. I probably woundn't have any high E sides on 150 or lower.

On 150 mg a week, what is your testosterone level (ng/dL)?

And above 200 mg a week, do you get serious side effects like gynecomastia, or just water retention?

 

[G0ld]

This sentence makes little sense. Supraphysiological, or how you called it "super" physiological (trying to become a Super hero?), means your serum levels are above the normal natural reference range not below.

Again, you've no idea what you're getting yourself in. Mood swings, he said. You can't even see past your own ignorance, all you project to the world around you is blind ego and AAS will make this character trait much much worse and when you combine that with your youthful feeble mindedness, ... it's going to be a roller coaster.

Go in without that stupid ego, and play it safe and slow (as you intend to), and be mindful of mental/personality changes. Also, seeing as you are asking about E2 levels at certain mg's of testosterone, it seems like you don't plan on doing bloods, or what? Everybody needs to do bloods and adjust their meds accordingly, you can't avoid that, so your query really doesn't make a lot of sense outside of the fact that you wont be doing bloods?

I don't speak English well, that's what caused the confusion about "super" and "supra".

And I have very good idea wham I'm getting myself into. I'm aware of literally all potential side effects.

Yes, I know how to do it safely, according to what I have already learned.

No, I'm not planning to not be doing any blood tests. I will be doing T, free T, estrogen and e2 tests every month or once each 2 weeks. Cholesterol will be tracked less often, since I will be on testosterone, not Stromba.

I was asking for certain (specific) mg's, because I wanted to know what T levels (ng/dL) different doses (milligrams) correspond to.

 

[Jin23]

How do you know what ng/dL levels is 100mg corresponding to?

What do you mean how do I know? By doing lab work off course ...

 

[bigboy420]

No, I'm not planning to not be doing any blood tests. I will be doing T, free T, estrogen and e2 tests every month or once each 2 weeks. Cholesterol will be tracked less often, since I will be on testosterone, not Stromba.

Hard to read

 

[rockyraccoon]

I don't speak English well, that's what caused the confusion about "super" and "supra".

And I have very good idea wham I'm getting myself into. I'm aware of literally all potential side effects.

Yes, I know how to do it safely, according to what I have already learned.

No, I'm not planning to not be doing any blood tests. I will be doing T, free T, estrogen and e2 tests every month or once each 2 weeks. Cholesterol will be tracked less often, since I will be on testosterone, not Stromba.

I was asking for certain (specific) mg's, because I wanted to know what T levels (ng/dL) different doses (milligrams) correspond to.

Is your 2025 new year's resolution to actually start the trt? Put the theory to practice already, my guy.

 

[G0ld]

Hard to read

Why? What do you mean?

 

[G0ld]

Is your 2025 new year's resolution to actually start the trt? Put the theory to practice already, my guy.

Yes, I'm making the order in a few days.

 

[Jin23]

I don't speak English well, that's what caused the confusion about "super" and "supra".

That, or ... you don't know what you're talking about : ) English is also my third language and would I have been a noob, I might have also made such an error.

You're getting a lot of flak here because of your ego. It's painfully obvious to everybody but you, that you've little idea what you're talking about. So if you would just put the ego aside, you'd have plenty of support, as you're actually going about things in a pretty solid harm reduction way; doing plenty of research and starting of with low dosages ... So please, do your self a favor, stop saying you know everything and start being a little more humble and we'll all get along just fine.

 

[G0ld]

That, or ... you don't know what you're talking about : ) English is also my third language and would I have been a noob, I might have also made such an error.

In the context of our previous discussions, when I used "super physiological", I was referring to a level (ng/dL) that is at the upper limit, which is around 1,000 ng/dL.

When you use "supra physiological", you are referring to the thing I refer when I use "super physiological".

In conclusion, my mistake was about not knowing English very well, not because I "don't know what I'm talking about".

You're getting a lot of flak here because of your ego.

It only appears that way.

In reality, I'm getting flak, because I'm calling out some people's BS, and I also ask questions the same people can't answer without directly contradicting their own statements.

If you have seen my posts earlier, you would have seen what legit questions I had. But many people on here don't know what they are talking about. Some of them literally don't me low estrogen won't give me osteoporosis, so there is no point in worrying about having testosterone suppressed during a DHT-based steroid cycle that doesn't add exogenous testosterone (example: a primobolan-only cycle). This was when I was asking questions about using a TRT dose for testosterone base during the cycle I originally planned to do, but then gave up.

It's painfully obvious to everybody but you, that you've little idea what you're talking about.

Why do you think so? I have said it multiple times that anyone is free to test me to see if I know or don't know what I'm talking about. I said people can show where I'm wrong and ask me questions to see if I can answer with correct answers.

So if you would just put the ego aside, you'd have plenty of support

I don't think I have ego...

as you're actually going about things in a pretty solid harm reduction way; doing plenty of research and starting of with low dosages

So please, do your self a favor, stop saying you know everything and start being a little more humble and we'll all get along just fine.

Yes, I understand what you mean
But how should I react, if not critically, when I see someone saying thing that directly contradicting with common sense?

 

[JC Grifter]

In the context of our previous discussions, when I used "super physiological", I was referring to a level (ng/dL) that is at the upper limit, which is around 1,000 ng/dL.

When you use "supra physiological", you are referring to the thing I refer when I use "super physiological".

In conclusion, my mistake was about not knowing English very well, not because I "don't know what I'm talking about".

It only appears that way.

In reality, I'm getting flak, because I'm calling out some people's BS, and I also ask questions the same people can't answer without directly contradicting their own statements.

If you have seen my posts earlier, you would have seen what legit questions I had. But many people on here don't know what they are talking about. Some of them literally don't me low estrogen won't give me osteoporosis, so there is no point in worrying about having testosterone suppressed during a DHT-based steroid cycle that doesn't add exogenous testosterone (example: a primobolan-only cycle). This was when I was asking questions about using a TRT dose for testosterone base during the cycle I originally planned to do, but then gave up.

Why do you think so? I have said it multiple times that anyone is free to test me to see if I know or don't know what I'm talking about. I said people can show where I'm wrong and ask me questions to see if I can answer with correct answers.

I don't think I have ego...



Yes, I understand what you mean
But how should I react, if not critically, when I see someone saying thing that directly contradicting with common sense?

Honestly it sounds like you know everything so I don’t understand why you even wasted your time signing up to Meso. I’m now confident that all of us are wrong about you having an ego and refusing to accept the answers you’re given. Perhaps it should be you who should be educating us.

 

[Fattyone]

Honestly it sounds like you know everything so I don’t understand why you even wasted your time signing up to Meso. I’m now confident that all of us are wrong about you having an ego and refusing to accept the answers you’re given. Maybe it should be you who should be educating us.

He’s 23 and never done any of this before.

Of course he knows everything

 

[JC Grifter]

He’s 23 and never done any of this before.

Of course he knows everything

If he’s even that old. He sounds like a 16 year old

 

[G0ld]

He’s 23 and never done any of this before.

Of course he knows everything

I have never done this before, but I have read a lot. But what I have read can't answer some my questions. I ask only questions I don't have answers to.

Haven't you noticed how specific my questions are? They are not just general questions.

 

[Fattyone]

I have never done this before, but I have read a lot. But what I have read can't answer some my questions. I ask only questions I don't have answers to.

Haven't you noticed how specific my questions are? They are not just general questions.

Idk what you’re reading but it’s nothing on this site. If it were, you’d have 100 less posts and be on a different path.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I've cruised test c on 250mg my tt level was I believe 1600 ng/dl and my e2 52, I raised to 500mg test c and my tt was a little over 3000 ng/dl and my e2 was 150. On 250mg I didn't need an AI, on 500mg I took nolvadex and arimidex for my nips and I had light acne. However, you can't assume any of this will apply to your levels and your dosages. Everything is arbitrary and specific to each person. Your question can only be answered through your own experience and blood testing/ side effects you may or may not develop.

 

[DECLAN]

I don’t know why everyone is bothering to answer his questions. At this point you guys are just wasting your efforts and just getting trolled, it’s time to ignore and block him.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I don’t know why everyone is bothering to answer his questions. At this point you guys are just wasting your efforts and just getting trolled, it’s time to ignore and block him.

Fair, he's been asking the same question in a different way since like October, and tells everyone they are wrong when it's answered. Isn't this the same guy who wanted a tbol only cycle?

 

[DECLAN]

Fair, he's been asking the same question in a different way since like October, and tells everyone they are wrong when it's answered. Isn't this the same guy who wanted a tbol only cycle?

Yep, two threads if i am not mistaken.

 

[rockyraccoon]

Fair, he's been asking the same question in a different way since like October, and tells everyone they are wrong when it's answered. Isn't this the same guy who wanted a tbol only cycle?

I don't understand why he's so concerned about gyno. Dude's already got the vag.