At what testosterone doses can you go without aromatase inhibitors?

[G0ld]

He clearly is trying to educate him self. It seems like mostly by asking questions, but if he decides to start reading, he'll at least have a source ready at hand ...

I'm well educated on the basics and already know most things.

 

[Jin23]

I'm well educated on the basics and already know most things.

Jezus fucking christ.

 

[readalot]

See Fig 2 and note error on E2 units. Should be pg/ml.

The Effects of Injected Testosterone Dose and Age on the Conversion of Testosterone to Estradiol and Dihydrotestosterone in Young and Older Men - PMC

Background: During testosterone (T) therapy, T is partly converted to 17β-estradiol (E2) and 5α-dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Effects of age, testosterone dose, and body composition on total and free E2 and DHT levels are unknown. Objective: We ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What is the number one parameter controlling these guys TT level for a given dose (for a given panel)? Does it also affect E2?

What should have been plotted on the x-axis instead of TT? How about the y-axis?

Hint: see Fig. 3



What two parameters control mean FT level for a given weekly dose of testosterone ester? Why may they be drastically different in young vs old?

Bump


What were your answers?

 

[Amgiji]

Nice advice.

Didn't I have to do the test 4 weeks after the start, not 2 hours?

I will be using testosterone enanthate.

for checking things like your lipids, I've never heard of any form of test taking more than a few hours to raise blood levels.

 

[readalot]

for checking things like your lipids, I've never heard of any form of test taking more than a few hours to raise blood levels.

tmax is anywhere from 18 to 36 hours for TC/TE and 4 to 6 hr for TP. Creams / nasal gel / troche have <1 to 3 hr tmax depending on site / admin method.

 

[Amgiji]

tmax is anywhere from 18 to 36 hours for TC/TE and 4 to 6 hr for TP. Creams / nasal gel / troche have <1 to 3 hr tmax depending on site / admin method.

ah, thank you.

so,18 to 36 for testosterone enanthate

 

[readalot]

ah, thank you.

so,18 to 36 for testosterone enanthate

Post 10 and 12 has details....

What kind of levels to expect from 100mg weekly

I'm a new to this entire scene, started with levels of around 320, age 40, doctor started me on 100mg once a week. Curious on what type of levels I should expect to see from this? Thanks

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My pleasure.

 

[goopjuice]

This is highly individual, and your crowdsourcing info like this will merely leave you with random datapoints. You'll see a normal distribution with enough of them. But nothing useful for yourself. It depends on factors that include body fat levels & genetic-heritable ones. Personally, 375 mg q.w. testosterone enanthate gives me tolerable levels such that an AI is not needed, but 500 mg q.w. is too much.

Random but just for clarification - "500 mg q.w." I'm assuming means "500 mg quartered per week" split between 4 doses a week (125/125/125/125)

 

[Klimmzugernie]

i am on 1000mg/week test p and 700 drosta p without ai. no problem.

 

[prvbn]

Dude you’re obnoxious - they’re trying to help you and your ego oozes on every f response. @G0ld

 

[Spideog]

Anything over 400mg and the water retention begins. 500mg is the max limit for me. I began using masteron and it’s made it much more manageable. Less water = feel much better/look much better..

 

[Zebedee]

Dude you’re obnoxious - they’re trying to help you and your ego oozes on every f response. @G0ld

Aye & I’ll wager that contributed to his being banned - thank fuck!

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Anything over 400mg and the water retention begins. 500mg is the max limit for me. I began using masteron and it’s made it much more manageable. Less water = feel much better/look much better..

yes - i can confirm that. Same here.

 

[RomanMVP]

Why are you people still feeding this fucking monkey. Beyond tedious.

 

[ChevChelios]

There are people who use 250-300 mg testosterone a week, and don't use aromatase inhibitors, and don't get gynecomastia and very high estrogen and estradiol.

I thought that any dose above a dose that corresponds to a normal and natural testosterone level (example: 100-150 mg a week ; 600-1000 ng/dL) will cause abnormally high estrogen.

But it seems a high dose, such as 200-300 mg a week, can be used without aromatase inhibitors, and this won't cause an estrogen level that is high enough for gynecomastia and serious health issues to occur.

According to what I have read, I can safely use 300 mg a week without aromatase inhibitors, but any dose above 300 mg should be combined with aromatize inhibitors or tamoxifen or both.

Can you tell me if that's true?

What doses have you used without aromatase inhibitors, and didn't get gynecomastia and significantly elevated estrogen levels?

Are AIs needed for a 200 mg dose a week?

Depends on you it’s hard to give an answer for something so subjective but I’d say the best way to avoid having to use an AI would be either split up the dose a good amt n do at least 3x week or if not add in some primo as that has some pseudo-AI effects (from what I remember it’s due to competition at the receptor n some other pathways which make it actually pretty useful in fact imma cop me some as I didn’t think bout it earlier on but it could come in real useful)

 

[Dang-1]

I’m late to the party here, it looks like I missed basically everything. Obnoxious kid knows everything and is banned, seems to be the gist of it. Oh well for future users of the actual search function here is my AI use level:

Test c 75-100mg and HCG 1000iu weekly requires no ai

Test C 150mg and HCG 1000iu weekly requires AI. Most mild AI for me appears to be aromasin at 6mg 2x weekly.

Increasing test levels to 350mg weekly and holding HCG at 1000iu requires 12.5mg 2x weekly.

 

[TomGlass]

I know I might get shit for this but if one were to start a testC only cycle at let's say 200mg x twice a week without bloods. What is usually the first sign that your armoitizing too much e2? itchy nipples? What other signs to look for? I understand everyone aromatizes different but it seems like the signs and symptoms are the same for everyone.

 

[Klimmzugernie]

I know I might get shit for this but if one were to start a testC only cycle at let's say 200mg x twice a week without bloods. What is usually the first sign that your armoitizing too much e2? itchy nipples? What other signs to look for? I understand everyone aromatizes different but it seems like the signs and symptoms are the same for everyone.

-water retention
-sock marks
-sexual problems (worse erection, ED, hard to get orgasm)
-heavy back pump
-puffy, itchy nipples If e2 is ways to high

I would always recommend to add drostanolone instead of an ai if you start recognizing some of the symptoms above.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Aye & I’ll wager that contributed to his being banned - thank fuck!

Makes experienced users not want to help people.


Like I get it, low estrogen can cause osteoporosis. But we all know it's overtime. Not for 8 weeks.

Just being able to google search to come up to quick conclusions is ridiculous. Has no base knowledge but he insists he knows what is going on

 

[TomGlass]

-water retention
-sock marks
-sexual problems (worse erection, ED, hard to get orgasm)
-heavy back pump
-puffy, itchy nipples If e2 is ways to high

I would always recommend to add drostanolone instead of an ai if you start recognizing some of the symptoms above.

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't I still need an ai if I were to come off.