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Yeah but she could only handle 5% of my massive schlong
Apparently the message I posted earlier, that you responded to with:

You raise good points. Thank you. I'm 100% down for productive, polite, and professional conversation.

Things admittedly got a little heated in response to the threats of dox, extortionists, and other things that have happened in the eventful weeks we've been here.

I apologize for the way that was handled, and we'll seek to do better in all aspects.

Didn’t actually get through to you. Nor did BBBG’s store analogy that I said needed to be taken seriously.

Part of coming to Meso is getting shit on, it’s part of the vetting. It’s why I (and others) are here and not Anabolic minds or some other bullshit forum.

Now this could just be me, but I’m not here for sources to act like my buddy, try and be cool or sling shit to try and hang with the boys. You’re a fucking businessman, that’s it. You sell drugs and behave as a professional, and if you can’t do that, then gtfo.

Do you think just cause you’re selling drugs that I wanna hear anything more than, yes sir, no sir, how can I fix that sir, I’m sorry sir, I’ll work on that sir? No, cause I won’t even put up with this type of shit from a business who sells legal stuff. If I was in a business and you behaved the way you have in front of me, I’d walk the fuck out and publicly shame you and then continue to make sure I turned as many people away from your store as I could. Cause you’re a disrespectful punk.

These fucking kids man... you don’t get to talk shit back to anyone, you’re here to get shit on and take it to prove you should be taken seriously. Everytime you lash out or make a stupid comment, you look dumb not funny.
 
Code:
https://brewly.io/s/wfo

All his products are OOS (out of stock), though. Guessing he's taking a break or something. Hit em up on the site. There's a messenger.

He was a private vendor before Brewly. Has had quite a few sales. I back this guy and his orders 100% so if shit goes bad for you hit me up and I'll have you reimbursed.
So your backing him and will reimburse...so you’re willing to pay hospital bills for infections? Short term disability for work that was missed? Prosthetics for the amputation? Pain and suffering?

Or is it just the cost of the drugs? Get out of here with that nonsense.
 
So your backing him and will reimburse...so you’re willing to pay hospital bills for infections? Short term disability for work that was missed? Prosthetics for the amputation? Pain and suffering?

Or is it just the cost of the drugs? Get out of here with that nonsense.
Believe the testing speaks for itself. Visit his page, click the products, click the pictures.

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So that was a yes to my question?

I ask that because you are peddling what are mostly unvetted sources...I know WFO I used him prior to your existence (not a g2g just a statement of fact) hopefully like Liska he chose to move away from your platform, so I ask that question in relation to all of your other sources who are less trustworthy...you still feel you have no responsibility to properly vet sources and that bothers me.

People here try to look out for the community, whether they are Meso members or not and your whole existence is exactly the opposite of our principles and yet you are somehow trying to prove that what you are doing is a good thing and positive for the community...it’s not...it’s more about how much BTC is in your wallet and those of us here should be pissed off at you for doing it
 
I'm gonna need you to visit the site and give me specific examples. The people we're pushing the most are big names on either Meso or SST.
I’ve visited the site...Enchanted, Azteca Gold, WG...no idea who Apexa is.

So are you starting to properly vet now? Wouldn’t you like to have a link to their Meso vetting page by their name? That would go a lot further for me and probably lots of others...send them over here let us spend a few days or weeks with them...new source Friday has been pretty lackluster lately
 
Literally makes no sense to look at your forum/website/whatever to see if a source is g2g when we have our own shit that’s pretty thorough and doesn’t run the risk of trusting a useless third party for no reason... just sayin.

I'm gonna need you to visit the site and give me specific examples. The people we're pushing the most are big names on either Meso or SST.
No one cares about SST. If they’re not willing to come here and face the gauntlet, they’re not worth anyone’s BTC IMO.
 
You’re saying the concept is cool.... as long as it’s executed properly. And I agree with you. But it’s not currently being executed properly, there’s a lot of gaps.
Correct. i think has potential. But i think it is also dangerous, luring in customers with convenience while compromising on safety.

I'm just glad i found this community. Brewly doesnt seem too eager to meet meso standards, but hey, he aint meso. He said it himself, brwly is just like every other board out there, so when bostin, i mean brewly, has a source sell 20k worth of fake shit, maybe then people will undersrand.
 
Correct. i think has potential. But i think it is also dangerous, luring in customers with convenience while compromising on safety.

I'm just glad i found this community. Brewly doesnt seem too eager to meet meso standards, but hey, he aint meso. He said it himself, brwly is just like every other board out there, so when bostin, i mean brewly, has a source sell 20k worth of fake shit, maybe then people will undersrand.
But itll be ok bc brewly will hold $1000 of their profit so they only made off with 19k
 
I tend to stay quiet on here, but having just read through this thread I feel like i need to say something.

First off I think this is an interesting idea, however I have too many concerns to consider using brewly myself

First off i can see the attraction for both sellers and buyers, but only once the site is successful and has scale. At that point as a buyer i have some additional simplicity by being able to order from multiple sellers in one transaction, plus I have a large history of reviews, feedback etc on each seller. And for the sellers they get access to a large pool of potential customers. However, today you have basically an empty site as it is new and not yet successful.

However, on to my concerns -

First, I am here as a drug user, you are here as the middleman to make illegal drug sales take place and cream some profit, and the sellers are here as illegal drug dealers. Like it or not that is what this is. So for myself, I always start off looking for how others are looking to scam me for a quick buck. So I never buy unless there is significant positive long term feedback on a source.

In addition, you are made up of a middleman, DO, and supposed others who refuse to identify themselves. This means I have immediate doubts about the impartiality of your site, even in the long term. For example, DO seems to have carte blanche to approve or reject seller applications. So it would be very easy for him to use this site as a way to only approve those who buy from him. Regardless, he is not impartial, and for me that means I cannot trust his reasoning for approving or rejecting anyone.

Your bullshit filter - you keep posting the screen shot but for me it is no where near complete enough to actually serve any purpose. I could easily find the relevant images of labs and equipment, give you some copy and paste text and i am supposedly now a lab. Unless you have detailed questions about brewing processes and real detail on how they brew, your filter is pretty worthless in my opinion. So to me, you are allowing basically unfiltered access to your platform policed by someone with a conflict of interest. So i think either accept this and say so, or really firm up the process so it is a real vetting process

Algorythmic ranking
This is actually my major problem. I understand your aims, so substances are ranked in the 'best' way for the buyer. However, I think you are massively underestimating how much energy fraudulent sellers will put into gaming this system. If you dont believe me just look up the black hat tactics for gaming amazon and google ranking. These are two of the biggest companies in the world, and they have teams of hundreds working on this, and have to continually update their ranking methods to stay ahead of the frausters.

Reviews
This is one where even amazon can't stop the fraudulent reviews. You say you have to purchase to leave a review, same with amazon, and that hasnt stopped the fraud. here are some examples -

Real sale to real customer - Dear customer, please leave me a 5 star review and send me the link to it and I will send you x, y, z for free (paid for/incentivised reviews are huge problem and even though specifically banned by amazon are still common)

Fake sale - reseller sets up 50 buyer accounts (there are obviously many ways to do this), makes purchases on each account, pays himself so looks genuine, marks each order as shipped but of course doesnt have to ship anything, then a few weeks later leaves glowing reviews from each account.

How do you intend to stop this sort of fraud?

If the biggest companies in the world cannot stop this, I am sorry but I do not believe you will be able to

This is just 2 examples, but check out fakespot and other sites to see how big the problem is on Amazon today

Ranking
I have a few issues here. You are having forced top vendors, but you also claim to rank based on algorythms. Sorry, but these 2 are totally opposed things. I do not trust you (as stated you are made up of a middle man and a drug dealer, your business model is made up of payment for illegal activity, so I in no way believe you are above forcing results in return for payment). You either have totally organic ranking based on real world situation, or you pick and choose. I understand you think you are appeasing meso by saying this was in response to this thread, but for me this just undermines the impartiality of your site even further. Plus who knows what else will influence you to include top sellers in response to criticism from less honest forums then meso

GTG
By having top sellers you are giving them your GTG badge of approval. Same as the early seller specific discounts you had early on. Either do a total full site promo discount on all resellers, or do none, otherwise it 100% comes across as your endorsement of the seller

Face of company
You claim you are not the face of the company, that DO is the face, and you are just the IT/website guy, sorry but if that was the case why do your posts out number DO's by a huge amount?

Sellers leaving / rejoining
You admit a seller left your site, then rejoined, and that deleted all their history. Sorry, but a big no for me, simply leave and come back with a clean slate if you have any negative reviews!!

Forum / moderation
You have stated your forum is unmoderated and also freely admitted you moderate sections of it. Again I do not trust your motives as a profiteering middle man in drug deals. I 100% do not trust you wont use moderation to maximise your profit or do favours for whoever will pay you. For example, a recent quote from you "we push our big name vendors hard. All our orders are going to them at the moment", so no impartiality here. You should make the entire site zero moderation if you want to build trust

Security
I am not a tech guy, so I have no idea on the discussion on site security. I do however not share your confidence that operating out of china, or hosting where steroids are legal will guarantee your and our safety. For example, what if one of your top sellers goes rogue and starts selling heroin, or sex slaves (ok, crazy example I know, but who knows what else these drug dealers are involved in), how sure are you that they will never sell anything that won't pique the interest of LE where either you or your hosting is

Lastly, I believe you could have much more stringent and standardised requirements from your sellers. For example standard reship policy for all of them. I know today, when you are brand new many may refuse, but this is your opportunity to truly offer something better to buyers. And if you wait until you have the scale to demand this, you may find resellers unwilling to backtrack and change.

Sorry for the long post, and I actually think the business model is interesting, so I am not just trying to flame or shout. Perhaps if you can make it work, in a few years, when you have the history etc I will be willing to use you. However, for today my concerns mean I will just wait and watch.
 
Literally makes no sense to look at your forum/website/whatever to see if a source is g2g when we have our own shit that’s pretty thorough and doesn’t run the risk of trusting a useless third party for no reason... just sayin.


No one cares about SST. If they’re not willing to come here and face the gauntlet, they’re not worth anyone’s BTC IMO.
Any source on right now has been approved with our before-mentioned expectations of our vendor application process. I understand that some sources, such as Apexa, are not on meso and only on SST and other boards, but they pass the check for us with our askings. Why they are not here, I have no idea.

Some people simply don't wish to grow.

As a source, I know a ton of sources who I ask why are they not on Meso (the largest anabolic forum thus far) and they're afraid of the apparent growth it would provide, they like to stick to smaller forums like the rest and minimize their danger. They think the same of Brewly, for now. I know a few source on Brewly have mentioned that if Brewly begins to blow up, they might not stick around. And its understandable.

@bigdeadweight Thanks for the write up, and honestly, very good points to make.

1) I understand that because I back this project, it has an inherent conflict of interest. At first, the remedy to this issue was to stay quiet about my involvement, but I wanted to be upfront about it because something beginning with a lie is just doomed from the start. I have no reason though, to ban anyone who does not buy from me, as I'd like to see the platform flourish and eventually, take my cut. Would I prefer to see my own clients grow? Yes, of course, but others growing still means profit for me, and perhaps easier profit as I don't have to deal with them as much as I do as their supplier.

2) How do we stop review fraud?
You're right, even Amazon can't, but I believe thats due to the sheer size of fraud going on. We'd be a much smaller platform. We have lots of ideas that we've mentioned previously on how to combat this, but I've also mentioned that minimum requirements for users to perhaps leave reviews should be 2+ purchases. Or place users with higher buying power on higher review scale, such as those who have been on the platform longer + buying. Theres tons of ideas floating around, and we're currently testing and theorizing each one.

3) Our top vendor rankings are due to sales, its pretty organic right now.

4) Not sure i understand this gtg discount thing. When we had site wide promos, of course, we send a message to every source to please consider promotions. At the end of the day, we do not have the power to force a source to accept a 10% loss in coupons, and only some wanted to go ahead with the idea.

5)I posted on the brewly account in the very first days myself. I also wrote the draft for the introduction post. Eventually, I wanted to also make it clear that I back this project, as I know new comers here will not see my name. Are you asking whos the face? We are all technically the face. I couldn't for the life of me answer IT related questions, so I'd need Brewly's help in this. You guys would obliterate my asshole lmao.

6) No reviews were posted for this vendor. We'd restore reviews if a vendor does that kinda stuff.

7) Forums has moderation, as in, moderation against selling other drugs, posting bad things, asking questions about meth, etc. But its pretty unmoderated in all other sense. Theres also moderation for going against the category of the subforums, ieg, posting about your wife's dog and how he died in the section of drug use and testing.

8) I'd leave any security questions ultimately for @Brewly as he's top knotch in that sort of thing. As for LE involvement, we have and know what products cannot, absolutely cannot, be sold on our site, due to LE interests. Such as DNP. That will never be sold on Brewly.


9) Do domestic sources ever offer a reshipment policy? I mean, if something is wrong with your order, all domestic sources I know will reship, or compensate you in some way. I understand the sentiment, but I think reshipment policies only affect international sources such as me, which many already do have that

Again, thank you for your interest in the project, and I really appreciate the critique and doubts and likes of it. I understand your concern about waiting and not wanting to be part of the early adoption process, its understandable.
 
You should post up the vendors applications with their "evidence" of their legitimate labs so we know there was actual screening of labs. If not then you are giving them a personal gtg and you are biased.
Wouldn't want to reveal specific details which may be able to dox sources (such as geotagged data), but testing, processes and such would be ideal. We're working on something to be transparent like that.

We'd probably ask sources if they are okay with sharing so and so pictures with the public.
 
Correct. i think has potential. But i think it is also dangerous, luring in customers with convenience while compromising on safety.

I'm just glad i found this community. Brewly doesnt seem too eager to meet meso standards, but hey, he aint meso.
I would have to disagree. Their are members of Brewly's foundation that cut their teeth here on Meso. They might not represent what Meso strives to be today, yet they know what is expected, what will be tolerated, and what wont.
Brewly, take it easy, your trying to hard. You shouldn't be on the forum all day fielding the same question, you should be stuffing boxes....wait a minute, you don't even do that. SO yeah, I guess you do need to be here all day.
I'm already seeing vendors added, and deleted. Brings up questions of stability. Stick with it brewly, and cover your ass. Im going to need a few things sooner or later.
 
I would have to disagree. Their are members of Brewly's foundation that cut their teeth here on Meso. They might not represent what Meso strives to be today, yet they know what is expected, what will be tolerated, and what wont.
Brewly, take it easy, your trying to hard. You shouldn't be on the forum all day fielding the same question, you should be stuffing boxes....wait a minute, you don't even do that. SO yeah, I guess you do need to be here all day.
I'm already seeing vendors added, and deleted. Brings up questions of stability. Stick with it brewly, and cover your ass. Im going to need a few things sooner or later.
We can disagree. I think users like yourself who are willing to take the risk will give brewly the opportunity to prove his process will be successful in the long run. Personally, I am not one of those users.
 
This has FAR more benefits fir the vendors than the users.

The Vendors get a chance to sell to MESO without having to answer the barrage of questions that we would ask to make sure that they know what they’re doing.

Customers from here can browse and looking at the price lists see interesting items and make spur of the moment decisions kind of like how Walmart puts shit on the end caps - you didn’t need it, but now that you noticed it you end up buying it. The smaller outfits will love this because they’re getting drips and drabs instead of the flood of customers.

And the lab-testing will be entirely bypassed because there’s “reviews”.

All this and we pay 5% more. Oh, Brewly doesn’t “charge us, he charges the vendors” but the charges get passed on by the vendors who raise their prices $5 a vial.

The customers get “convenience”. Please, buying bitcoin is the hardest part for most. Exchanging proton emails is easy.

And a super-dooper highly secure bulletproof system.

Thanks Brewly! We’re so lucky to be on this cutting edge. We’re glad you chose MESO over all those other forums that wouldn’t have you even if you PAID their ad fee. It’s just a coincidence that you’re here for FREE and undermining our vetting process that makes MESO what it is.
 
This has FAR more benefits fir the vendors than the users.

The Vendors get a chance to sell to MESO without having to answer the barrage of questions that we would ask to make sure that they know what they’re doing.

Customers from here can browse and looking at the price lists see interesting items and make spur of the moment decisions kind of like how Walmart puts shit on the end caps - you didn’t need it, but now that you noticed it you end up buying it. The smaller outfits will love this because they’re getting drips and drabs instead of the flood of customers.

And the lab-testing will be entirely bypassed because there’s “reviews”.

All this and we pay 5% more. Oh, Brewly doesn’t “charge us, he charges the vendors” but the charges get passed on by the vendors who raise their prices $5 a vial.

The customers get “convenience”. Please, buying bitcoin is the hardest part for most. Exchanging proton emails is easy.

And a super-dooper highly secure bulletproof system.

Thanks Brewly! We’re so lucky to be on this cutting edge. We’re glad you chose MESO over all those other forums that wouldn’t have you even if you PAID their ad fee. It’s just a coincidence that you’re here for FREE and undermining our vetting process that makes MESO what it is.
Yep. Those sources can breeze right on into MESO and not be vetted.
Oh yeah Buck did and he didn't pass the test here, yet he's got a ride now.
Remember Brewly is also on SST where the sources call the shots. I find it hard to believe in the end that Brewly will side with a customer that spends $200 dollars over a source. He's gonna go with the guy who feeds him a larger portion.
Nope this ain't the MESO way. I said it in the beginning no way this will fly here.
 
Yep. Those sources can breeze right on into MESO and not be vetted.
Oh yeah Buck did and he didn't pass the test here, yet he's got a ride now.
Remember Brewly is also on SST where the sources call the shots. I find it hard to believe in the end that Brewly will side with a customer that spends $200 dollars over a source. He's gonna go with the guy who feeds him a larger portion.
Nope this ain't the MESO way. I said it in the beginning no way this will fly here.

Buck got booted last night after we pointed that out.
 
Yep. Those sources can breeze right on into MESO and not be vetted.
Oh yeah Buck did and he didn't pass the test here, yet he's got a ride now.
Remember Brewly is also on SST where the sources call the shots. I find it hard to believe in the end that Brewly will side with a customer that spends $200 dollars over a source. He's gonna go with the guy who feeds him a larger portion.
Nope this ain't the MESO way. I said it in the beginning no way this will fly here.

Lot of speculation and not much substance in this post. Almost nothing you said is accurate or truthful. Clearly nothing I say or do will satisfy you so I'm afraid you'll have to wait and see.

Check back in a few months from now when the platform is more mature and filled with content, reviews, more pictures, etc.

We are genuinely doing our best and will continue to do so. I've actively been listening to the community here and implementing features and changes based on their suggestions.

I've culled the herd a bit based on outcries. I've added a top vendors section. We're adding a labs page on storefronts within a week. We're gonna be requiring all vendors to publicly post labs to be on the platform among other things.
 
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