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Docd187123 said:
I'm writing an article explaining how to use RPE and all that comes along with it from the RTS standpoint for my other forum. I might post it here as well. If you look at my log you'll see the RTS/RPE principles applied. Basically what RPE does is allow you to control fatigue in a day to day basis. Instead of chasing number and percentages like you would with Sheiko for example, you try to apply the right dose of stress without percentages.

For example, let's say Sheiko had you working 6sets of doubles at 91% 1RM. In an ideal setting Sheiko would be there to tailor the percentage or volume depending on how you perform that day. Since we don't have Sheiko we cannot do this. For RPE IT WOULD LOOk something like this

A double at 91% equates to RPE 9 in the general template. So you work up in doubles to whatever weight you feel is RPE 9. Let's say this was 300lbs. This is your top set. Then you take let's say a 5% fatigue load drop so 5% of 300 is 285. You drop the load, from 300 to 285lbs and continue to work in sets of 2 until this becomes an RPE 9 again. If you're fatigued that day it may take 2 sets after the top set. If you're energized that day it may take 6sets but it's auto regulated based on you're performance that day. If that doesn't make sense let me know to re-explain.

I too thought I'd fend of slacking which is no good for me ll
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I had to slwoly read it 3 times but it makes perfect sense. I was wondering how to keep up with sheiko on my off days especially starting off. Ill def have to wrap my head around this more but I have a good grasp on how it works. Ill have to tailor it to my needs of course and thats going to take some time and trial and error. But at least now I understand the importance of a coach. And yes, please post your write up over here too. Ill have to check out your log as well.
 
Ozzy619 said:
I had to slwoly read it 3 times but it makes perfect sense. I was wondering how to keep up with sheiko on my off days especially starting off. Ill def have to wrap my head around this more but I have a good grasp on how it works. Ill have to tailor it to my needs of course and thats going to take some time and trial and error. But at least now I understand the importance of a coach. And yes, please post your write up over here too. Ill have to check out your log as well.
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The way you keep up with Sheiko on your off days is rest. Seriously. Many underestimate how truly challenging the program is. He'll the first 4wks is just to get you ready to handle the volume to come later on lol. I'd suggest going through the regular Sheiko on it's own first or looking up Tuscherer's Sheiko with RPE. You don't want to try and combine the two on your own without previous experience with each. Just my $.02
 
Docd187123 said:
The way you keep up with Sheiko on your off days is rest. Seriously. Many underestimate how truly challenging the program is. He'll the first 4wks is just to get you ready to handle the volume to come later on lol. I'd suggest going through the regular Sheiko on it's own first or looking up Tuscherer's Sheiko with RPE. You don't want to try and combine the two on your own without previous experience with each. Just my $.02
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Your two cents is worth a bit more thankyou...
 
I want to take this time to talk a bit about nutrition, or, as I call it- eating way too much. Toughest part of getting big for me. I used to look at people on the Olympia stage and wonder what drugs they were on or what amazing training programs they must run. Now I just sit in awe imagining the food they must shovel in on a daily basis. How the fuck can you do that? Rain or shine 12,000 calories? Jesus christ.

I used to adjust my eating for my cycles. I would get all psyched up and plan out a bunch of meals and start force feeding prepped food a week or two before I started pinning the blast. Invariably I would be puking at the thought of food within 5 weeks. I would track macros and force feed protein and lay awake panicked if I was under 390 grams.

You know what worked? I started eating everything. Whatever I wanted, I ate. My stomach stretched and now I can accommodate 6000 calories minimum without really thinking about it.

Now I am a bit larger than some, but my point still stands. What is my point? Easy - eat like you are cycling all the time. I find personally when I grossly inflate my diet it takes a couple weeks to adjust- time I spend shitting my brains out and wasting a lot of food.

A gallon of milk a day. 12 eggs a day. A shake in the morning with whey, oj, oatmeal, kale, peanut butter, fish oil, coconut oil, flax and olive oil. Those three things have me around 350 grams of protein and 4500 calories.. and then I can eat a couple normal meals and be good

I cannot stress the importance of food enough. What you pin and what you do in the gym hardly matters compared to what you eat. Focus in the kitchen and fuck all that other shit
 
brutus79 said:
I want to take this time to talk a bit about nutrition, or, as I call it- eating way too much. Toughest part of getting big for me. I used to look at people on the Olympia stage and wonder what drugs they were on or what amazing training programs they must run. Now I just sit in awe imagining the food they must shovel in on a daily basis. How the fuck can you do that? Rain or shine 12,000 calories? Jesus christ.

I used to adjust my eating for my cycles. I would get all psyched up and plan out a bunch of meals and start force feeding prepped food a week or two before I started pinning the blast. Invariably I would be puking at the thought of food within 5 weeks. I would track macros and force feed protein and lay awake panicked if I was under 390 grams.

You know what worked? I started eating everything. Whatever I wanted, I ate. My stomach stretched and now I can accommodate 6000 calories minimum without really thinking about it.

Now I am a bit larger than some, but my point still stands. What is my point? Easy - eat like you are cycling all the time. I find personally when I grossly inflate my diet it takes a couple weeks to adjust- time I spend shitting my brains out and wasting a lot of food.

A gallon of milk a day. 12 eggs a day. A shake in the morning with whey, oj, oatmeal, kale, peanut butter, fish oil, coconut oil, flax and olive oil. Those three things have me around 350 grams of protein and 4500 calories.. and then I can eat a couple normal meals and be good

I cannot stress the importance of food enough. What you pin and what you do in the gym hardly matters compared to what you eat. Focus in the kitchen and fuck all that other shit
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Agreed. And im def in on this ^^^^
 
brutus79 said:
Here is me this morning right out of bed at 272. No coffee, post shit. Yes, I shit naked.
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What am i? 14%?
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That's about right I figure. 14ish. Which looks good and its comfortable. Gotta remember your not 200. It's quite hard to have a six pack at 290. So I say thats is about the best case scenario at your bodyweight. How many guys can pull off that weight with that look? Not many. Maybe high lvl bb's. I don't see many in the NFL that weigh like that or look like that either.

I tell you what. Extra motivation. Better get to eating. First to 290 wins. Mange mange ;)
brutus79 said:
I want to take this time to talk a bit about nutrition, or, as I call it- eating way too much. Toughest part of getting big for me. I used to look at people on the Olympia stage and wonder what drugs they were on or what amazing training programs they must run. Now I just sit in awe imagining the food they must shovel in on a daily basis. How the fuck can you do that? Rain or shine 12,000 calories? Jesus christ.

I used to adjust my eating for my cycles. I would get all psyched up and plan out a bunch of meals and start force feeding prepped food a week or two before I started pinning the blast. Invariably I would be puking at the thought of food within 5 weeks. I would track macros and force feed protein and lay awake panicked if I was under 390 grams.

You know what worked? I started eating everything. Whatever I wanted, I ate. My stomach stretched and now I can accommodate 6000 calories minimum without really thinking about it.

Now I am a bit larger than some, but my point still stands. What is my point? Easy - eat like you are cycling all the time. I find personally when I grossly inflate my diet it takes a couple weeks to adjust- time I spend shitting my brains out and wasting a lot of food.

A gallon of milk a day. 12 eggs a day. A shake in the morning with whey, oj, oatmeal, kale, peanut butter, fish oil, coconut oil, flax and olive oil. Those three things have me around 350 grams of protein and 4500 calories.. and then I can eat a couple normal meals and be good

I cannot stress the importance of food enough. What you pin and what you do in the gym hardly matters compared to what you eat. Focus in the kitchen and fuck all that other shit
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That's all right. Currently I'm in the same boat. I feel like a disgusting slob at the days end. But I wake up thinned out. So the food is doing it's job. About 2-3 lbs a week. Every week. Food is undoubtedly the game changer. I'm doing mine at 5100 cals a day. Plus one monster day a week. I look forward to watching :)
 
brutus79 said:
I want to take this time to talk a bit about nutrition, or, as I call it- eating way too much. Toughest part of getting big for me. I used to look at people on the Olympia stage and wonder what drugs they were on or what amazing training programs they must run. Now I just sit in awe imagining the food they must shovel in on a daily basis. How the fuck can you do that? Rain or shine 12,000 calories? Jesus christ.

I used to adjust my eating for my cycles. I would get all psyched up and plan out a bunch of meals and start force feeding prepped food a week or two before I started pinning the blast. Invariably I would be puking at the thought of food within 5 weeks. I would track macros and force feed protein and lay awake panicked if I was under 390 grams.

You know what worked? I started eating everything. Whatever I wanted, I ate. My stomach stretched and now I can accommodate 6000 calories minimum without really thinking about it.

Now I am a bit larger than some, but my point still stands. What is my point? Easy - eat like you are cycling all the time. I find personally when I grossly inflate my diet it takes a couple weeks to adjust- time I spend shitting my brains out and wasting a lot of food.

A gallon of milk a day. 12 eggs a day. A shake in the morning with whey, oj, oatmeal, kale, peanut butter, fish oil, coconut oil, flax and olive oil. Those three things have me around 350 grams of protein and 4500 calories.. and then I can eat a couple normal meals and be good

I cannot stress the importance of food enough. What you pin and what you do in the gym hardly matters compared to what you eat. Focus in the kitchen and fuck all that other shit
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gr8whitetrukker said:
That's about right I figure. 14ish. Which looks good and its comfortable. Gotta remember your not 200. It's quite hard to have a six pack at 290. So I say thats is about the best case scenario at your bodyweight. How many guys can pull off that weight with that look? Not many. Maybe high lvl bb's. I don't see many in the NFL that weigh like that or look like that either.

I tell you what. Extra motivation. Better get to eating. First to 290 wins. Mange mange ;)

That's all right. Currently I'm in the same boat. I feel like a disgusting slob at the days end. But I wake up thinned out. So the food is doing it's job. About 2-3 lbs a week. Every week. Food is undoubtedly the game changer. I'm doing mine at 5100 cals a day. Plus one monster day a week. I look forward to watching :)
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I had to build myself up to be able to take in so many calories. Earlier this year I was struggling to get to 3500 some days. Then I up'd it to 4000 and 5000. Now I reach 6000 easy.
Between a shake when I get up, a good sized breakfast, and a blended shake / meal after breakfast I can be around 3000 cals by 10am (Im usually up at 4).
I still don't know how many cals I'd have to take in to get to Brutus's or GWTs size though. What I really need y'all to do is take a few months of. Like 4. Or 20. Let us little guys catch up.
 
jaymaximus said:
I had to build myself up to be able to take in so many calories. Earlier this year I was struggling to get to 3500 some days. Then I up'd it to 4000 and 5000. Now I reach 6000 easy.
Between a shake when I get up, a good sized breakfast, and a blended shake / meal after breakfast I can be around 3000 cals by 10am (Im usually up at 4).
I still don't know how many cals I'd have to take in to get to Brutus's or GWTs size though. What I really need y'all to do is take a few months of. Like 4. Or 20. Let us little guys catch up.
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You seen my fat/skinny before pics. It's not like I'm blessed with odie type genetics. Add AAS and food. Boom.
You'll get their jay. Even if i gotta drag your ass across the finish line. They say no pain no gain. I always assumed they were talking about the weights. Now I know without doubt their talking about food
 
brutus79 said:
I want to take this time to talk a bit about nutrition, or, as I call it- eating way too much. Toughest part of getting big for me. I used to look at people on the Olympia stage and wonder what drugs they were on or what amazing training programs they must run. Now I just sit in awe imagining the food they must shovel in on a daily basis. How the fuck can you do that? Rain or shine 12,000 calories? Jesus christ.

I used to adjust my eating for my cycles. I would get all psyched up and plan out a bunch of meals and start force feeding prepped food a week or two before I started pinning the blast. Invariably I would be puking at the thought of food within 5 weeks. I would track macros and force feed protein and lay awake panicked if I was under 390 grams.

You know what worked? I started eating everything. Whatever I wanted, I ate. My stomach stretched and now I can accommodate 6000 calories minimum without really thinking about it.

Now I am a bit larger than some, but my point still stands. What is my point? Easy - eat like you are cycling all the time. I find personally when I grossly inflate my diet it takes a couple weeks to adjust- time I spend shitting my brains out and wasting a lot of food.

A gallon of milk a day. 12 eggs a day. A shake in the morning with whey, oj, oatmeal, kale, peanut butter, fish oil, coconut oil, flax and olive oil. Those three things have me around 350 grams of protein and 4500 calories.. and then I can eat a couple normal meals and be good

I cannot stress the importance of food enough. What you pin and what you do in the gym hardly matters compared to what you eat. Focus in the kitchen and fuck all that other shit
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Awsome info!! I have got to do this I'm sick of being stuck at the same weight!!
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Sorry brute in advance ;)
View attachment 28304me in my early 20's. Post iraq. About 220ish. All I did was drink beer and fish. No weights. Beer diet
View attachment 28305 this was me the day I arrived on meso. Roid free and pretty dad fat about 240
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Very inspiring post, GWT. Yes it is still possible to make a transformation like you have done. Just need motivation and a plan!
 
brutus79 said:
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There's a before at 220

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After at 265 or so. Been lifting 2 1/2 years AND I was fat after this skinny pic above. Consistency and hard work in the kitchen and the gym. No magic genes.
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gr8whitetrukker said:
Sorry brute in advance ;)
View attachment 28304 me in early 20's. Post iraq. About 220ish. All I did was drink beer and fish. No weights. Beer diet
View attachment 28305 this was me the day I arrived on meso. Roid free and pretty dad fat about 240
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Damn. Shows what hard work and dedication can do. Not to sound gay, but im proud of y'all. Ive kept up with both your logs and progress since before I officially signed on here. Y'all along with a bunch of others here have inspired me to work my ass off.
Also you gave me an excuse to eat as much as I want! And I love food. Either Im getting big and coming after y'all, or I'm gonna get fat and roll after ya. Either way I'm happy.
 
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Yo brutus,
How's flexibility these days? Ever since I left 260 in the dust I feel like a walking cinder block. I can still sprint with vigor and power. Really suprising actually. I can clear the ground up to tailgate/dock level with out using my hands. Just basically a standing high jump. I can wrestle with my boys and all. But shit tying my shoes is becoming a trick and a half. Scratching/washing my back is laughable. I have to loosen the shoulders for a good 10 minutes before heavy bench days otherwise I pay dearly. How's it been for u?
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Yo brutus,
How's flexibility these days? Ever since I left 260 in the dust I feel like a walking cinder block. I can still sprint with vigor and power. Really suprising actually. I can clear the ground up to tailgate/dock level with out using my hands. Just basically a standing high jump. I can wrestle with my boys and all. But shit tying my shoes is becoming a trick and a half. Scratching/washing my back is laughable. I have to loosen the shoulders for a good 10 minutes before heavy bench days otherwise I pay dearly. How's it been for u?
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Just as tough for me...maybe it's the result of getting old :eek:
 
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