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[Fattest_animal]

Yikes
I don’t even really want to touch this one.
Please convince him to rethink this until he researches it further. I have some ideas on this but I won’t even say. I’m not a dr. so I’d prefer not to give advice other than this.

He’s obviously not healthy, there may be more going on than we know.

perhaps an anti aging dr could help him. Even if the dr won’t prescribe him anything he could monitor him if he is stubborn and take the leap. I’d love to help but this isn’t something I want to give bad advice on.

Yeah that's the thing, when I got the call I was stunned for a second... I've been known as the "lifting" nephew since 2011 or so, but he straight up called me for a cycle, where and how to pin, how long to do it, what he can and cannot take because of the diabetes and shit like that...

I'm not even going to lie, the guy is a straight up cunt. Nicest guy ever, but stubborn as fuck. If it were only me, I'd tell him to calm the fuck down and start by lifting natty for quite a while... but he won't take that for an answer and he will get his information from other people...

Those other people were telling him to go with Deca and Winstrol... they were the same people that told him he couldn't take some kinds of oils / orals. So yeah, this is a pretty fucked up situation.

PS: Mum was in the room when I was talking about roids and what not on the phone... she was like, son, how do you know all this? "Oh, I just know people that do it "

PS2: @3ml You seem to have some knowledge info, I understand it's a difficult subject but could you at least tell me where to look to get the information I need?

 

[Fitwelder]

Yeah that's the thing, when I got the call I was stunned for a second... I've been known as the "lifting" nephew since 2011 or so, but he straight up called me for a cycle, where and how to pin, how long to do it, what he can and cannot take because of the diabetes and shit like that...

I'm not even going to lie, the guy is a straight up cunt. Nicest guy ever, but stubborn as fuck. If it were only me, I'd tell him to calm the fuck down and start by lifting natty for quite a while... but he won't take that for an answer and he will get his information from other people...

Those other people were telling him to go with Deca and Winstrol... they were the same people that told him he couldn't take some kinds of oils / orals. So yeah, this is a pretty fucked up situation.

PS: Mum was in the room when I was talking about roids and what not on the phone... she was like, son, how do you know all this? "Oh, I just know people that do it "

PS2: @3ml You seem to have some knowledge info, I understand it's a difficult subject but could you at least tell me where to look to get the information I need?

Not trying to be a dick but s simple Google search will give you all your answers

 

[Apexvallen]

What information do you need? You run cycles yourself right so you know enough to be able to tell him low dose test will be enough to improve his quality of life, get bloods and medical oversight constantly. Job done. Add var or tbol and some cialis and thats all he will ever need right. You say he will do it regardless if you help him or not. So you might as well do some harm reduction. Nothing bad will happen going from low test to 25 yr old test levels.

 

[Fattest_animal]

I was going to tell him exactly what you said minus the var and tbol. Anyways, I'll keep doing some research.

I run cycles myself, yes, but I'm basically a baby in regards to all this.

 

[Scotian]

Anyone else find they have a constant slight headache while taking tren?

 

[Apexvallen]

No, I'm just a total jerk.

 

[Scotian]

No, I'm just a total jerk.

At first I was like maybe my blood pressure is increased, but it’s normal and I’m not running a massive dose either just 300mg/week.

 

[Vita]

... but my mum said he was now skinny.

He's diabetic, just got operated on the abdominals and has absolutely no fucking clue about how to work out lol.

Thing is... he told me that he heard that because of Diabetes there are some oils/ orals he can and cannot take. Is this true?...

I know that he needs to watch what he eats, but I don't know yet if he needs insulin or pills or what....

Many folks with diabetes develop Kidney disease over time. From what you have said it doesn't sound like he has been taking care of himself. As you are aware building muscle typically require a large intake of protein and this can put a lot of strain on the kidneys, especially on damaged kidneys. Add AAS, and the extra amount of protein ingested (at least I up my protein when trying to put mass on) that often comes with other complications (like high blood pressure)and potential issues can arise quickly.

Your uncle should at the very least have his kidney function checked, along with his liver if he is thinking about putting them through that kind of abuse. It is very important for everyone to get some exercise in, but potentially causing yourself more damage to get bigger faster isn't worth it in my opinion.

Saying that I know lots of bodybuilders with diabetes, they however take care of themselves, and have there BG levels under control. This is one of those times that a person should be out right up front with their Doc, and be safe.

 

[acro]

if his macros not in check and he doesn't know how to lift I feel like he's throwing money away and taking unnecessary risk.
have you thought about referring him to a local competition couch first?

 

[Scotian]

if his macros not in check and he doesn't know how to lift I feel like he's throwing money away and taking unnecessary risk.
have you thought about referring him to a local competition couch first?

Yeah I’d say this would be a good idea, help him through the process of how to track macros consistently, maybe a low TRT dose, and a beginner training program would be more beneficial for him than taking deca and winstrol and trying to learn how to train on his own.

 

[Fattest_animal]

Many folks with diabetes develop Kidney disease over time. From what you have said it doesn't sound like he has been taking care of himself. As you are aware building muscle typically require a large intake of protein and this can put a lot of strain on the kidneys, especially on damaged kidneys. Add AAS, and the extra amount of protein ingested (at least I up my protein when trying to put mass on) that often comes with other complications (like high blood pressure)and potential issues can arise quickly.

Your uncle should at the very least have his kidney function checked, along with his liver if he is thinking about putting them through that kind of abuse. It is very important for everyone to get some exercise in, but potentially causing yourself more damage to get bigger faster isn't worth it in my opinion.

Saying that I know lots of bodybuilders with diabetes, they however take care of themselves, and have there BG levels under control. This is one of those times that a person should be out right up front with their Doc, and be safe.

I won't go into details, but let me say this: he's in the medical field. I will tell him to do regular blood tests, check his liver and kidneys and what not... but I assume, for now, that he was planning on doing those things.

Say he has a damaged kidney, could he still use low dosage of test? Say 200-250 test e/c per week? Should it be lower? I will tell him though to get in touch with a doctor he knows and can keep shit secret. I'll most likely tell him to do Test c/e, finish with p, have arimidex in hand and do a nice little nolva and clomid pct. Cute, effective and simple.

It is reassuring that you know bodybuilders with diabetes. I was mostly afraid that he'd straight up die because of something I said or suggested. Which is why I'm asking for help. At the end of the day, I want to have my handa clean and give him the info he simply needs.

@acro @Scotian I will make him a training plan. I've been doing them for a while and my clients have been satisfied with what I gave them. I will, though, tell him to get a coach so he can get taught how to do the proper movements and not hurt himself while lifting.

I'll also give him a diet plan, but will suggest him immensely to get ahold of a nutritionist.

 

[Fattest_animal]

For those that were wondering, I just ordered Synthetine (injectable Carnitine). But depending if I have an infection or not... I might postpone it's usage.

 

[Britz]

What’s up fellow Canadians? It’s still fucking cold up here, but the summer is just around the corner. I want to know who uses melanotan and what are your protocols? Also what peptide company do you like? Is it all the same..? I’m pretty pasty and seriously interested in this stuff. Just want to know some personal stories.

 

[Ozzy619]

I took a break from the board, but heard Mission Labs got popped, just read an article about it.

 

[G.I Swoli]

So I'm planning out my next big blast and I'm kind of conflicted on if I should stick to one lab for this blast or order various products from different labs to save myself money. I've pretty much have used Trans for my entire aas career other than Paretos Mast, Cialis and T3, Apexa's M1T and soon to try MTren and Gaurdians Tren A, Test E and Test/Tren blend so any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

After reading reviews on Genetec through NM and this board I feel positive that even with them being the lowest cost, their products will do the job they are intended to. Only concern I have is their price of tren a compared to the others.

Now for Pareto, a few people I know swear by them and won't use anybody else and from what I've used I can understand why. Ment is the compound that I've been keen on trying so seeing that theirs is the cheapest but not by an alarming amount is pleasent. The price of their Tren is pretty hefty compared to the others especially seeing as I could get their Tren/Mast blend for $10 more and rework my TM ratio and save my self quite a bit of money so this puzzles me a bit. Maybe I have the wrong price, or is their Tren A just super potent compared to the others?

Like I said, Trans has been my go to for a while so I've never had an issue with them, even when the whole under dose gear problem occurred, I was never effected. I have only one complaint about their ment which is what really set me out to source other labs for this but ultimately I still trust them quite a bit. Also I would be able to get 4 free items which I could use to stock up on ai ( what I always do thus why I don't have it listed in my spreadsheet) or maybe add some other goodies like M1T or adrol to my blast or even throw in some EQ or stock up of npp for later down the road.

So pretty much I'm rambling now so a TL;DR
If you were going to run this given the options in my spreadsheet, who would you go with?

 

[Willygoat]

At what point does homebrewing become worth it? I'm not going to name them because not everyone feels the same, but I've had problems with the last 3 labs I ran and I'm relatively new to the game. Labs going down the drain, problems with dosing/qc, and the amount of shilling/trashing that goes around makes choosing one such a hassle. Homebrewing seems like a hassle, but at least you can trust what you're using.

 

[sixfoot6]

So I'm planning out my next big blast and I'm kind of conflicted on if I should stick to one lab for this blast or order various products from different labs to save myself money. I've pretty much have used Trans for my entire aas career other than Paretos Mast, Cialis and T3, Apexa's M1T and soon to try MTren and Gaurdians Tren A, Test E and Test/Tren blend so any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

After reading reviews on Genetec through NM and this board I feel positive that even with them being the lowest cost, their products will do the job they are intended to. Only concern I have is their price of tren a compared to the others.

Now for Pareto, a few people I know swear by them and won't use anybody else and from what I've used I can understand why. Ment is the compound that I've been keen on trying so seeing that theirs is the cheapest but not by an alarming amount is pleasent. The price of their Tren is pretty hefty compared to the others especially seeing as I could get their Tren/Mast blend for $10 more and rework my TM ratio and save my self quite a bit of money so this puzzles me a bit. Maybe I have the wrong price, or is their Tren A just super potent compared to the others?

Like I said, Trans has been my go to for a while so I've never had an issue with them, even when the whole under dose gear problem occurred, I was never effected. I have only one complaint about their ment which is what really set me out to source other labs for this but ultimately I still trust them quite a bit. Also I would be able to get 4 free items which I could use to stock up on ai ( what I always do thus why I don't have it listed in my spreadsheet) or maybe add some other goodies like M1T or adrol to my blast or even throw in some EQ or stock up of npp for later down the road.

So pretty much I'm rambling now so a TL;DR
If you were going to run this given the options in my spreadsheet, who would you go with?

Pareto would be my bet. I was thinking that maybe Pareto would be 20% more but it's only 60$ more than the cheap brand

Does Pareto carry MENT? I dont have it on my list

 

[Vita]

.... Homebrewing seems like a hassle, but at least you can trust what you're using.

The only way to know is get it tested, don't trust the raws providers, they will burn you if you allow them to.

 

[imazinger]

Pareto would be my bet. I was thinking that maybe Pareto would be 20% more but it's only 60$ more than the cheap brand

Does Pareto carry MENT? I dont have it on my list

I use genetec and Pareto and there both good , either one you will be golden

 

[Willygoat]

The only way to know is get it tested, don't trust the raws providers, they will burn you if you allow them to.

Right, getting and testing raws would be just as frustrating. Jesus, I just want to make gains. It shouldn't have to be this difficult.