Cat Café EU & US domestic

[GuerillaPete]

As some customers suffering from Test E 350mg PIP that contacted me regarding this issue (I cannot remember if you did) may confirm, I've never denied this issue being present with the higher concentration variant (I don't think I've received reports about this happening with the TE 250mg made with the same raws at the same time). I'm relatively sure it's not related to enanthic ester presence or cleaving of enanthic ester over time as that would show more prominently in blind tests of the batch later on (which I posted one of recently that's within margin of error of my result from half a year back), and the Trestolone E raws I had a GCMS analysis done on to understand the impurities had a significant amount of enanthic (heptanoic) acid present which isn't causing significant PIP in the finished product.

Until I've figured out the problem I plan to circumvent it by brewing more frequent, smaller batches as age seems the primary factor based on there being no such reports when the batch was fresh, but an increasing number as it got towards 6 months of age - and I'm hoping to have a custom synthesis setup in the not too distant future, which should resolve the problem as long as I can isolate the precursor material responsible (unless it's a step in the synthesis at fault but I can test both options easily at that point).

What you're referring to as local inflammation is likely the rate of crystalization of the compound (which all do post injection) being faster than your rate of absorption), forming a depot putting pressure on surrounding tissues and being considered a foreign entity by your immune system and so on, to put it in casual terms. Rate of crystalization can be significantly slowed down by disrupting uniformity of molecular structure in the finished product but I didn't know that half a year ago, I'm still learning.

I publically posted that I would pull the product from the store after the increasing number of complaints and did so right then, you can find this post in this thread.

Usually customers that have issues with products contact me per mail and I'll offer some kind of resolution on request but when it's related to claims of bunk product, I do request them to send blind tests to Janoshik and they usually don't. A long time ago some people seemed to have issues with the ready-made Firmapress filler mix so I made my own mix and sent people free Cialis samples to report back if those worked any better - I think 0 or only 1 of all the people I sent them to ever posted feedback.

You're mad at me that I'm trying to help my friend who got scammed for thousands of dollars get his money back by not letting it get swept under the rug. I would hope you'd do the same for your friends and that they'd do the same for you, so either you're not aware of the situation in its entirety or see the world in a different way. I don't think it's relevant whether someone sells legal alpaca socks or deals illegal PEDS or both.

I see it as conflict of interest ! I did follow the ordeal but i am an outside of the box thinker .
I could get toremiphene raws and send clomid raws for testing to Jano and make a big fuss about it! I am not saying that was the case just to point out that this tests can be tricked with interest involved .
I could take a test 350 mg and ad oil to it and send it for testing so that it appears under dosed.
And i did find it odd that you have less product in the shop and your story overall made little sense to me and the only for bulk offer of the most expensive raw appeared.
So i was also protecting friends when i said caution is advised so there was no need to make a big fuss about it .
Do i know they are shit raw? No i don't it just looked odd to me personally.
Could i be wrong yeah i’m wrong some time and im ok with it!
Could someone test the whole lot of the raws to make sure half of it is not masterone? No they can not.
But its not my business seeing other don't see eye to eye with me i wont insist on it.
Qsc opening a Eu warehouse i think will affect your business so i see conflict of interest again so all this back and forth between the two of you looks bad from my point of view !
No need to quote or reply to me as I'm happy to not come back here again as i said before the first test 350 mg i bought did me good and had no inflammation at the injection site but the next order did so the trust i had with you was broken i just don't trust you any more .
You wont have no harm coming your way from me being it comments or something else i’m just gona minde my business plenty of other vendors and threads to go to .
I might miss some of the cat stuff tho

 

[Liska]

You think all gear can go "bad" like this in time? I've used a good years old gear last time and saw a rise in monocytes and eosinophils ... And now I'm thinking it could have been bc of gears age ...

No, not the compound itself and especially not in this timeframe, we'd have noticed this pattern in fresh gear vs blindtests later on, as superlabs brew much bigger batches that are often around for 1-2 years as you can see by checking their labtest dates of subsequent batches. Carrier oils however are prone to oxidation in that timeframe and gone bad can cause such issues - here are some old studies/articles touching on this issue and its effects regarding omega 3 supps:

Oxidation of marine omega-3 supplements and human health - PubMed

Marine omega-3 rich oils are used by more than a third of American adults for a wide range of purported benefits including prevention of cardiovascular disease. These oils are highly prone to oxidation to lipid peroxides and other secondary oxidation products. Oxidized oils may have altered...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/12/33-top-selling-us-fish-oils-exceed.html

(not sure if they sell anything)

 

[Jin23]

No, not the compound itself and especially not in this timeframe, we'd have noticed this pattern in fresh gear vs blindtests later on, as superlabs brew much bigger batches that are often around for 1-2 years as you can see by checking their labtest dates of subsequent batches. Carrier oils however are prone to oxidation in that timeframe and gone bad can cause such issues - here are some old studies/articles touching on this issue and its effects regarding omega 3 supps:

Oxidation of marine omega-3 supplements and human health - PubMed

Marine omega-3 rich oils are used by more than a third of American adults for a wide range of purported benefits including prevention of cardiovascular disease. These oils are highly prone to oxidation to lipid peroxides and other secondary oxidation products. Oxidized oils may have altered...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/12/33-top-selling-us-fish-oils-exceed.html

(not sure if they sell anything)

I see, makes sense, tnx!

Also, great study, tnx

Yeah, the omega 3 fiasko ... There was a survey done not long ago, which found a shit tone of omega 3 supps that have gone rancid. But that's an entirely different story so nvrmnd.

 

[Nilatac]

Hello @Liska will it be possible soon that people who are located in the same country you are shipping from ,get a lower minimum order amount? I am a student and 500€ +50€ bankfee is a lot . Main reason for that high min order amount was the time for stealth you have to invest. But if you just have to throw some vials and pills into a box and ship it ,the time you will invest is like 3 minutes. So will it be possible for those customers who are in the same country as you to get a min order amount of like 250-300€?

Broski you asked him same question one month ago. Use other sources if you can't get enough money to met the minimum
Or safe money for 6 months and buy one year cycle and you are set and in that one year you save for the next year cycle and so on
You live in Germany you should save 500€ if you work part time in 2-3months max. You need to save 10 or 13€ a day 5 days a week to get 550 € in 2 or 3 months. 10€ you get in one hour of work in Germany. Minimum is under 8 I believe and from 1 July it will be raised the minimum. How can you not save enough in 3 months?
If you lived in Moldova then I would understand the money problem
I feel embarrassed only by reading this "negotiations " stuff. Is simple you have money or you don't.

 

[Jin23]

I see it as conflict of interest ! I did follow the ordeal but i am an outside of the box thinker .
I could get toremiphene raws and send clomid raws for testing to Jano and make a big fuss about it! I am not saying that was the case just to point out that this tests can be tricked with interest involved .
I could take a test 350 mg and ad oil to it and send it for testing so that it appears under dosed.
And i did find it odd that you have less product in the shop and your story overall made little sense to me and the only for bulk offer of the most expensive raw appeared.
So i was also protecting friends when i said caution is advised so there was no need to make a big fuss about it .
Do i know they are shit raw? No i don't it just looked odd to me personally.
Could i be wrong yeah i’m wrong some time and im ok with it!
Could someone test the whole lot of the raws to make sure half of it is not masterone? No they can not.
But its not my business seeing other don't see eye to eye with me i wont insist on it.
Qsc opening a Eu warehouse i think will affect your business so i see conflict of interest again so all this back and forth between the two of you looks bad from my point of view !
No need to quote or reply to me as I'm happy to not come back here again as i said before the first test 350 mg i bought did me good and had no inflammation at the injection site but the next order did so the trust i had with you was broken i just don't trust you any more .
You wont have no harm coming your way from me being it comments or something else i’m just gona minde my business plenty of other vendors and threads to go to .
I might miss some of the cat stuff tho
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All in all, no, I don't think you should feel distraught, I think this kind of attitude is needed and is what's missing on meso lately (and I think Liska would agree). A bit less emotional and a bit more rational maybe, yes, but, whatever. We need opened critical thinking and people who are willing to push it. Me, I simply don't have the time nor the energy to push such an agenda. But if we all go soft and lazy, then it's not good for anybody, except scammers ... Just the emotional part, ... makes it all seem less credible, but I also understand that humans rarely push anything - if not for a strong emotional component, so there's that ...

 

[AGDP]

My fiancee is always endeared by the packaging and gets a good chuckle out of it. As usual communication and shipping was LiskaQuality©

That said the lady of the house chose sdrol as the preferred liver mauler.
The man stands faithfull to ment
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What’s the cycle altogether mate?

Really interested in ment, especially the enanthate version. Not clued up on this compound enough to run it though. Aromatises heavily I believe? What is it best stacked with etc and what type of gains does it deliver. One to use in the future maybe for myself lol

 

[Naugahydes]

Both minimums will be lowered in the future but I can't give you a date yet. Bank transfers take about four bank business days (as banks work less days than most other businesses this is important) to be fully processed and I do have to limit the amount of incoming ones for OPSEC reasons.

Good to hear, hopefully soon. Tbh its mainly the minimum order limits that's put me off ordering - and being a tight wad of course. Not looking to buy a big order as I'm just a TRT guy on scripted Sustanon looking to add Deca & GH to my protocol. I will also furnish some cute photos of my blue nose Amstaff in a sad & pathetic attempt to leverage a further discount

 

[CCUSA]

Happy Friday Meso!

I will be representing the USA branch of Cat Cafe. I have been privately brewing for around 5 years now with hundreds of happy and well accomplished customers. While the starting lineup is quite limited, it will be expanded steadily as more Jano lab reports come in and the inventory of oral tabs, HGH, peptides etc from the EU store reaches the US in the upcoming months.

The oil line will be brewed in small but frequent batches primarily to prevent any issues that may result from degradation of raws or finished product. This may result in products being out of stock temporarily between batches as we optimize supply based on demand while factoring in the time added to test every batch of finished product.

Opsec: As far as devices are concerned I have designated devices for this use only. Both of which run secure core vpn and TOR at all times. All emails are deleted every 10 days unless communication is still open. Tracking will only be provided when a pack goes longer than a full week.

Sterilization: Recently I have switched to RTF pre-sterlized vials. While this increases costs, it helps streamline production and allows me to keep up with demand. These vials however do seem to have more exterior scratches from transit for reasons unknown. Media jugs are alcohol bathed, distilled water bathed and then put in a dry heat oven at 400F for 45 minutes. The ovens only purpose ever has been for sterilization. Bottle top dispensers are all set at 12.5mL fill level. Stoppers are washed ready for sterilization, they go in the oven for 45 minutes at 250F.

Filtering: All filtering is done with a .22 micron zap cap filter (chemical resistant). This will change to a pump and inline filter.

Orals: Orals are not for sale yet, but everything is done in a oral suspension with a small amount or grain alcohol. While these will be tested frequently, the batches are so small that I may not be able to test every single one but will never fail to announce this. If the use of alcohol in suspensions becomes a common issue, we will address it at that time.

Order and payment: Please follow the instruction on the website precisely! BTC, XMR and ETH will be accepted, no other payment options are available at this time.

Please send orders as well as general questions from a secure mail only, all other providers will be ignored.

Lab testing: All raws and finished product will be tested & published by the same standards as the EU branch, with past batches being added to the lab archive on the US website. Full credit will be offered for Jano blind testing.

Shipping: The aim is to ship orders within 24 hours. This has held steadily true over the years. I will always notify the customer when the product has been shipped so they can know when to expect it. Everything will be shipped via usps.

https://catcafe.is/usa/

 

[T&H]

Happy Friday Meso!

I will be representing the USA branch of Cat Cafe. I have been privately brewing for around 5 years now with hundreds of happy and well accomplished customers. While the starting lineup is quite limited, it will be expanded steadily as more Jano lab reports come in and the inventory of oral tabs, HGH, peptides etc from the EU store reaches the US in the upcoming months.

The oil line will be brewed in small but frequent batches primarily to prevent any issues that may result from degradation of raws or finished product. This may result in products being out of stock temporarily between batches as we optimize supply based on demand while factoring in the time added to test every batch of finished product.

Opsec: As far as devices are concerned I have designated devices for this use only. Both of which run secure core vpn and TOR at all times. All emails are deleted every 10 days unless communication is still open. Tracking will only be provided when a pack goes longer than a full week.

Sterilization: Recently I have switched to RTF pre-sterlized vials. While this increases costs, it helps streamline production and allows me to keep up with demand. These vials however do seem to have more exterior scratches from transit for reasons unknown. Media jugs are alcohol bathed, distilled water bathed and then put in a dry heat oven at 400F for 45 minutes. The ovens only purpose ever has been for sterilization. Bottle top dispensers are all set at 12.5mL fill level. Stoppers are washed ready for sterilization, they go in the oven for 45 minutes at 250F.

Filtering: All filtering is done with a .22 micron zap cap filter (chemical resistant). This will change to a pump and inline filter.

Orals: Orals are not for sale yet, but everything is done in a oral suspension with a small amount or grain alcohol. While these will be tested frequently, the batches are so small that I may not be able to test every single one but will never fail to announce this. If the use of alcohol in suspensions becomes a common issue, we will address it at that time.

Order and payment: Please follow the instruction on the website precisely! BTC, XMR and ETH will be accepted, no other payment options are available at this time.

Please send orders as well as general questions from a secure mail only, all other providers will be ignored.

Lab testing: All raws and finished product will be tested & published by the same standards as the EU branch, with past batches being added to the lab archive on the US website. Full credit will be offered for Jano blind testing.

Shipping: The aim is to ship orders within 24 hours. This has held steadily true over the years. I will always notify the customer when the product has been shipped so they can know when to expect it. Everything will be shipped via usps.

Wasn't expecting this. You going to post your own separate thread in the underground?

Edit-So you will be testing and brewing you own products, completely separate from CC. I assumed you would have just been a usa domestic for their products.

If you are doing your own testing and brewing, how are you in any way related to CC?

 

[Dave1189]

Happy Friday Meso!

I will be representing the USA branch of Cat Cafe. I have been privately brewing for around 5 years now with hundreds of happy and well accomplished customers. While the starting lineup is quite limited, it will be expanded steadily as more Jano lab reports come in and the inventory of oral tabs, HGH, peptides etc from the EU store reaches the US in the upcoming months.

The oil line will be brewed in small but frequent batches primarily to prevent any issues that may result from degradation of raws or finished product. This may result in products being out of stock temporarily between batches as we optimize supply based on demand while factoring in the time added to test every batch of finished product.

Opsec: As far as devices are concerned I have designated devices for this use only. Both of which run secure core vpn and TOR at all times. All emails are deleted every 10 days unless communication is still open. Tracking will only be provided when a pack goes longer than a full week.

Sterilization: Recently I have switched to RTF pre-sterlized vials. While this increases costs, it helps streamline production and allows me to keep up with demand. These vials however do seem to have more exterior scratches from transit for reasons unknown. Media jugs are alcohol bathed, distilled water bathed and then put in a dry heat oven at 400F for 45 minutes. The ovens only purpose ever has been for sterilization. Bottle top dispensers are all set at 12.5mL fill level. Stoppers are washed ready for sterilization, they go in the oven for 45 minutes at 250F.

Filtering: All filtering is done with a .22 micron zap cap filter (chemical resistant). This will change to a pump and inline filter.

Orals: Orals are not for sale yet, but everything is done in a oral suspension with a small amount or grain alcohol. While these will be tested frequently, the batches are so small that I may not be able to test every single one but will never fail to announce this. If the use of alcohol in suspensions becomes a common issue, we will address it at that time.

Order and payment: Please follow the instruction on the website precisely! BTC, XMR and ETH will be accepted, no other payment options are available at this time.

Please send orders as well as general questions from a secure mail only, all other providers will be ignored.

Lab testing: All raws and finished product will be tested & published by the same standards as the EU branch, with past batches being added to the lab archive on the US website. Full credit will be offered for Jano blind testing.

Shipping: The aim is to ship orders within 24 hours. This has held steadily true over the years. I will always notify the customer when the product has been shipped so they can know when to expect it. Everything will be shipped via usps.

https://catcafe.is/usa/

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So how is Liska involved in this? And who are you?

 

[Liska]

Wasn't expecting this. You going to post your own separate thread in the underground?

Edit-So you will be testing and brewing you own products, completely separate from CC. I assumed you would have just been a usa domestic for their products.

If you are doing your own testing and brewing, how are you in any way related to CC?

Shipping injectables between continents is slow and unreliable so we chose to keep production of these domestic to each location, whereas the rest of the upcoming inventory like oral tablets, HGH, peptides etc. can and will be shared. As this business benefits a lot from scale, the ability to have entire batches of raws and other products custom made for us makes labtesting faster and more efficient (except for goods produced in the US of course). As for more personal relations, he's my daddy!

 

[CCUSA]

Wasn't expecting this. You going to post your own separate thread in the underground?

Edit-So you will be testing and brewing you own products, completely separate from CC. I assumed you would have just been a usa domestic for their products.

If you are doing your own testing and brewing, how are you in any way related to CC?

Testing raws is going to be a great advantage in time and accuracy, but finished oils will still take a fair amount of time. Also the goal is to bring items that aren't always accurate or 3rd party tested like peptides, SARMs, etc.

To answer it in short, team work.

 

[T&H]

Testing raws is going to be a great advantage in time and accuracy, but finished oils will still take a fair amount of time. Also the goal is to bring items that aren't always accurate or 3rd party tested like peptides, SARMs, etc.

To answer it in short, team work.

You say you've been brewing 5 years with many happy customers. Are these satisfied customers local only or have you been selling online as an existing source? I see your account is new, are you on here with a member account as well?

 

[B Ware]

Happy Friday Meso!

I will be representing the USA branch of Cat Cafe. I have been privately brewing for around 5 years now with hundreds of happy and well accomplished customers. While the starting lineup is quite limited, it will be expanded steadily as more Jano lab reports come in and the inventory of oral tabs, HGH, peptides etc from the EU store reaches the US in the upcoming months.

The oil line will be brewed in small but frequent batches primarily to prevent any issues that may result from degradation of raws or finished product. This may result in products being out of stock temporarily between batches as we optimize supply based on demand while factoring in the time added to test every batch of finished product.

Opsec: As far as devices are concerned I have designated devices for this use only. Both of which run secure core vpn and TOR at all times. All emails are deleted every 10 days unless communication is still open. Tracking will only be provided when a pack goes longer than a full week.

Sterilization: Recently I have switched to RTF pre-sterlized vials. While this increases costs, it helps streamline production and allows me to keep up with demand. These vials however do seem to have more exterior scratches from transit for reasons unknown. Media jugs are alcohol bathed, distilled water bathed and then put in a dry heat oven at 400F for 45 minutes. The ovens only purpose ever has been for sterilization. Bottle top dispensers are all set at 12.5mL fill level. Stoppers are washed ready for sterilization, they go in the oven for 45 minutes at 250F.

Filtering: All filtering is done with a .22 micron zap cap filter (chemical resistant). This will change to a pump and inline filter.

Orals: Orals are not for sale yet, but everything is done in a oral suspension with a small amount or grain alcohol. While these will be tested frequently, the batches are so small that I may not be able to test every single one but will never fail to announce this. If the use of alcohol in suspensions becomes a common issue, we will address it at that time.

Order and payment: Please follow the instruction on the website precisely! BTC, XMR and ETH will be accepted, no other payment options are available at this time.

Please send orders as well as general questions from a secure mail only, all other providers will be ignored.

Lab testing: All raws and finished product will be tested & published by the same standards as the EU branch, with past batches being added to the lab archive on the US website. Full credit will be offered for Jano blind testing.

Shipping: The aim is to ship orders within 24 hours. This has held steadily true over the years. I will always notify the customer when the product has been shipped so they can know when to expect it. Everything will be shipped via usps.

https://catcafe.is/usa/

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I didn’t read anything about any fine chocolate? Chocolate or gtfoh

 

[SkankHunt]

I didn’t read anything about any fine chocolate? Chocolate or gtfoh

 

[AGDP]

USA got primo 200 in stock aswell lol

 

[MisterSuit]

Had another beautiful touchdown. Smooth experience, everything was perfect and bla bla as always. Fastest TA times in EU. HGH is Good to go based on blood tests, won’t share results for opsec reasons.

 

[topkekest]

What’s the cycle altogether mate?

Really interested in ment, especially the enanthate version. Not clued up on this compound enough to run it though. Aromatises heavily I believe? What is it best stacked with etc and what type of gains does it deliver. One to use in the future maybe for myself lol

Bear in mind that im competing in PL not in bb. So ymmv.

Spoiler: Spoiler not to litter the thread

500/300/600-900/1000 Test/ment/mast/eq + peaking orals, for 1st cycle of 2023
Sdrol+var. 2nd- halo+var.

So test base /growth driver/mast for feels, strenght and antagonising tities/eq for clogging receptors with e1 or ai effects depends on how it really works and cardio gains.


I'd say its in the ballpark of nand level of aromatisation but methylated, and super nand in terms of gains but no 19nor-nand-brain fuckery with a sprinkle of tren recomp effect. And a shitload of water retention if you overeat. Doesnt affect cardio. May fuck with BP a lot( id say a lot of it due to water retention)
Some run it with trt test levels cause e2 issues

Hunger is real. On my 1st ment run i literally cried from belly pain cause my body thought it was empty but ive just devoured 0.5kg of bread with 0.5kg of spread and 1.2kg of skyrs in a one sitting. At this time liraglutide did nothing in terms of hunger suppression.
Semaglutide i'd say would fare a lot better.

Tldr
Feels mentally good and hungry af.
Makes you big and moderately strong by itself. Tities if unlucky.

That said cant wait for some CatHalo, cause the only one i tried from different vendor was either bunk or the filler was incompatible with me.

 

[Liska]

Decided on a summer promo rather spontaneously:

1. Lasts until end of month or as long as sufficient product is in stock

2. Minimum order for promo prices is 350€ excl. shipping. You can still order at retail price for at the 250€ minimum.

3. Cannot be stacked with other promotions but cat promo can be used alternatively on retail prices as always.

4.You must follow the rules and order instructions on the frontpage & the FAQ precisely.

5. If you have an unpaid or unsent order that would benefit from this promotion, you can cancel & order anew or will receive store credit for the difference.

120iu HGH BBCatropin kit prices have been reduced by ~10€ each for the promotion and are now as follows:
1-3 kits = 110€ each
4-7 kits = 105€ each
9-11 kits = 100€ each
12+ kits = 95€ each
20+ kits = 90€ each

 

[Jin23]

That said cant wait for some CatHalo, cause the only one i tried from different vendor was either bunk or the filler was incompatible with me.

Some injectable orals would be great! Like lgd4033 or SD, or whatever really ...