Chemman's log

[CubbieBlue]

Central Nervous System: Migraine headache, paresthesia, seizure, stroke, syncope

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It is a documented side effect. It is rare in comparison to visual and mood disturbances, however.

As for TRT, my preference is shots. Gels are usually a bad choice for many and I have a gf that I don't want to transfer the drug. Also, I will be training a lot and sweating balls living in the southeast. HCG monotherapy is going to make a shitstorm of e2, to which I already know I am sensitive. So I'll try to do a protocol of like 100mg t cyp BW to start. Mix in some HCG low dose every once in a while to keep my nuts from shrinking. Trying to avoid arimidex.

Talked to my doctor already and agreed to go off clomid and that it was not an option.

After my clomid restart I am still feeling a major lack of energy/weakness. I am going to see another endo in a couple of weeks. If he thinks my levels warrant TRT I will be following you to see if it will improve my fatigue. I have thought about it over and over and I also think the way to go is t shots.

Androgel doesn't work well, testim stinks, and the hcg mono is a pain in the ass/ineffective/causes high e2. I also think with T shots it is very possible to manage without an AI.

Good luck and let us know how it goes. If I were you I would be seeing if I could see my doctor this afternoon to get my first shot.

 

[chemman]

1 year of pure torture with extremely low testosterone is enough for me. I'm ready to move on with my life, and if it takes TRT to get my life back, then that's fine with me. Sticking myself with a tiny needle every other day is NOTHING and I mean NOTHING compared to the constant pain of severe hypogonadism.

Hopefully I can get started on TRT sometime next week. After feeling the difference of just 4 doses of clomid (besides the worrisome side effects), there is not a doubt in my mind that low testosterone is my problem. It's very obvious at this point.

 

[hardasnails1973]

1 year of pure torture with extremely low testosterone is enough for me. I'm ready to move on with my life, and if it takes TRT to get my life back, then that's fine with me. Sticking myself with a tiny needle every other day is NOTHING and I mean NOTHING compared to the constant pain of severe hypogonadism.

Hopefully I can get started on TRT sometime next week. After feeling the difference of just 4 doses of clomid (besides the worrisome side effects), there is not a doubt in my mind that low testosterone is my problem. It's very obvious at this point.

If clomid does not work then HCG is the next alterenative yes it may stimulate estrogen but you do not know that for sure. Personally I think your liver can not properly manage estrogen because of how over loaded it is then you want to put more drugs into the mix. Like i said yes it may make you feel better in the short run, but long run it may back fire. ..Do not shot down your testicles if they re working that is completely ass backwards thinking. We need to see if you get the response if you are primary or secondary. There may be an Testoserone stimulation test that may answer this question to go around clomid. You are already dooming your self to failre before you start because of reading into things too much and looking at the horror stories people posted but completely forgetting their are also success stories as well. Some time people have to endure a week to know if that is going to be right treatment thats the facts. For god sakes I was a human ginuea pig for dr's for 3 flipping years and ended up making me worse. When all they had to do is listen to me in the first place I would have been fine with no TRT and my life back to normal. Everything I knew in life was gone, freinds, body, job, dignity, my own identity, but in the end I never gave up and look at me where I am today because of it. Some time you have to endure to get to the next step in life and it may not be an easy road. So many people are looking for easy way out when it seems the most logical but in the end short road does not listen to long term success.

 

[CubbieBlue]

If clomid does not work then HCG is the next alterenative yes it may stimulate estrogen but you do not know that for sure. Personally I think your liver can not properly manage estrogen because of how over loaded it is then you want to put more drugs into the mix. Like i said yes it may make you feel better in the short run, but long run it may back fire. ..Do not shot down your testicles if they re working that is completely ass backwards thinking. We need to see if you get the response if you are primary or secondary. There may be an Testoserone stimulation test that may answer this question to go around clomid. You are already dooming your self to failre before you start because of reading into things too much and looking at the horror stories people posted but completely forgetting their are also success stories as well. Some time people have to endure a week to know if that is going to be right treatment thats the facts. For god sakes I was a human ginuea pig for dr's for 3 flipping years and ended up making me worse. When all they had to do is listen to me in the first place I would have been fine with no TRT and my life back to normal. Everything I knew in life was gone, freinds, body, job, dignity, my own identity, but in the end I never gave up and look at me where I am today because of it. Some time you have to endure to get to the next step in life and it may not be an easy road. So many people are looking for easy way out when it seems the most logical but in the end short road does not listen to long term success.

1.) It is 100% obvious he is NOT secondary.

2.) What benefit does he have going hcg mono over test?

3.) Say he endures the clomid for a week...then what? You know he is secondary (which is obvious already) then....what?

Please answer these HAN.

 

[chemman]

I am secondary. So there's really no need to argue about it.

I have waited one year for things to correct themselves, and they haven't, and now my body is falling apart.

For the sake of my joints and bones and mental health, I don't think I can keep walking around with low testosterone levels for much longer.

As far as HCG vs. Test: It's called the HPTA. The HP (hypothalamus and pituitary) is dysfunctional. It's diseased and I don't think it's coming back anytime soon on its own. If we go the HCG route, then the HP will be shut down even further, which is exactly the same as adding in exogeneous testosterone. So from that aspect, the treatments are the same. The issue here is my balls. OK they work, we know this, but at this point I need to pick the therapy that makes me FEEL the best.

If I do T shots, that covers the low testosterone without making the shitstorm of estradiol. Then we can add in small amounts of HCG here and there to keep my balls healthy. It seems like the best of both worlds to me.

Sometime down the road after I get my shit back together and some new SERMS come out, I could try a restart. But Clomid is OUT OF THE QUESTION. I cannot do a restart right now. I cannot ENDURE a week of clomid to answer a question that we already have the answer to. If I'm already having paresthesia at 25mg EOD, can you imagine what would have happened at 100mg ED? I was damn lucky that I tested the waters instead of jumping straight in. You could say that I'm reading into things too much, but at this point I am watching my back. This is my health and my body, and ultimately I decide what goes into it.

Clomid was my way out of this mess, but unfortunately it is not an option anymore.

Just for shits and giggles, I might let the clomid wear off and suffer for a while longer and see if my HPTA magically sets back up. If no improvement by the end of this month, it's time to take action.

 

[1erCru]

I'm probably going to be doing a clomid challenge and am scared shitless of this drug. I guess its worth trying as it could make me feel better, peoples reaction seem to very greatly. Isn't the real issue if you can tolerate the drug? If you can tolerate it do you take it for a longer period than one week? Regardless of being primary or secondary isn't the treatment pretty much the same?

Chemman besides the numbess, did you feel better in any other ways?

 

[chemman]

I Absolutely feel better mentally. Severe depression and anxiety is virtually gone within 4 doses of 25mg. Been getting some nighttime wood.

Numbness and tingling is still there. I took my last 25 mg 3 days ago, but I know that clomid tends to hang around in the body for up to 2 weeks, so I'm not too worried....yet.

What you posted looks like something I posted a while back, did you quote me?

 

[1erCru]

Damn that sucks.. and you were feeling better to

If you are referring to my post no I didn't quote you, maybe subconsciously.

I'm currently seeing Shawn and Dr. O. Still in preliminary stages with labs etc. Low T, gut, and depression issues, all longstanding.

Well at least you know a rise in T makes you feel better. Thats a pretty big win for you.

 

[chemman]

Damn that sucks.. and you were feeling better to

If you are referring to my post no I didn't quote you, maybe subconsciously.

I'm currently seeing Shawn and Dr. O. Still in preliminary stages with labs etc. Low T, gut, and depression issues, all longstanding.

Well at least you know a rise in T makes you feel better. Thats a pretty big win for you.

Yea it is a win in some ways. For a while, I thought I had all sorts of crazy problems, but if you put all of the pieces together (history, signs, symptoms, and labs), it is very clear what is going on.

I am bummed, however, about the prospects of TRT at 22 (well almost 23 now, this past year has sucked so bad it doesn't even feel like it happened ). But if it gives me my life back, then I'm cool with it. It's really not that big of a deal, assuming it does work for the long term. But I KNOW that low T DOES NOT work in the long term lol.

 

[chemman]

Interesting development. Woke up this morning and thought, damn I feel taller today. Yup... at least a half inch! Somehow the increased testosterone did this? Any ideas? Crazy.

Still have some tingling and numbness going on. Won't know until the end of next week or even later what the deal is.

 

[CubbieBlue]

Interesting development. Woke up this morning and thought, damn I feel taller today. Yup... at least a half inch! Somehow the increased testosterone did this? Any ideas? Crazy.

Still have some tingling and numbness going on. Won't know until the end of next week or even later what the deal is.

Impossible. You are going a little nuts about this.

 

[m_ob]

I'm probably going to be doing a clomid challenge and am scared shitless of this drug. I guess its worth trying as it could make me feel better, peoples reaction seem to very greatly. Isn't the real issue if you can tolerate the drug? If you can tolerate it do you take it for a longer period than one week? Regardless of being primary or secondary isn't the treatment pretty much the same?

Chemman besides the numbess, did you feel better in any other ways?

Don't fear the clomid at all. You'll know if it's for you or not.

 

[m_ob]

Interesting development. Woke up this morning and thought, damn I feel taller today. Yup... at least a half inch! Somehow the increased testosterone did this? Any ideas? Crazy.

Still have some tingling and numbness going on. Won't know until the end of next week or even later what the deal is.

Taller? at what age? I do not think this would happen so soon either way.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Taller? at what age? I do not think this would happen so soon either way.

Testosterone levels are not determined by bigger guys or taller guys. Like I said you are dooming your self to failure before you even start with proper dosages. After talking to Dr Overbeck 50 mgs is going to be the dosage that will be retried to see if you are primary or secondary . 100 mgs is the standard dosage for the challegee, but is also putting the person at higher risk for potential side effects. Being anaytical mind because of your education you are trying to pin point the cause of things to clomid were it could be a multitude of other factors going on. This going to be a huge mental barrier that needs to be over come in order to get on the proper route to recovery. We all had to circum them in one way or another. For you a week is not going to be a life changing event but will provide the information which we seek. People have to go through chemo suffer alot more then you will so there are alot more people who have it out there worse then you do. We need to remember this. We bitch if we can not get morning wood. What about if you had cancer or other debiliating diseae that is life crippling? Every think about that? Be thank ful you can walk or talk because it is something we take for granite untill one day it is gone..

 

[CubbieBlue]

testosterone levels are not determined by bigger guys or taller guys. Like i said you are dooming your self to failure before you even start with proper dosages. After talking to dr overbeck 50 mgs is going to be the dosage that will be retried to see if you are primary or secondary . 100 mgs is the standard dosage for the challegee, but is also putting the person at higher risk for potential side effects. Being anaytical mind because of your education you are trying to pin point the cause of things to clomid were it could be a multitude of other factors going on. This going to be a huge mental barrier that needs to be over come in order to get on the proper route to recovery. We all had to circum them in one way or another. For you a week is not going to be a life changing event but will provide the information which we seek. People have to go through chemo suffer alot more then you will so there are alot more people who have it out there worse then you do. We need to remember this. We bitch if we can not get morning wood. What about if you had cancer or other debiliating diseae that is life crippling? Every think about that? Be thank ful you can walk or talk because it is something we take for granite untill one day it is gone..

He. Is. Not. Primary.

So what is the fucking point?

 

[hardasnails1973]

He. Is. Not. Primary.

So what is the fucking point?

See how he responds then go from there. You need to have results in order to quantify treatment. Its called practicing good medicine like most dr's do not do. He needs to get things going and not be so fear driven. I think alot of people on the boards make them selves sicker by reading all the negative things about something rather then having a positive out look. It is known as a negative attude going into things is increasing ones risk to failure greatly.

 

[chemman]

The issue here is that at 25 mg EOD, I experience a side effect that warrants never taking clomid ever again. Numbness and tingling in the limbs is some serious shit. So the clomid challenge and restart is out of the question.

My next thought would be to try a different SERM, such as nolvadex.

 

[hardasnails1973]

The issue here is that at 25 mg EOD, I experience a side effect that warrants never taking clomid ever again. Numbness and tingling in the limbs is some serious shit. So the clomid challenge and restart is out of the question.

My next thought would be to try a different SERM, such as nolvadex.

That would also be plausible. Did the symptoms resolve since seizing the clomid?. Tingling may be coming from potential lyme disorder and also lack of b-12 because like myself lack the ability to uptake it into the cellular tissue. Symptoms can easliy over lap a making it difficult to distinguish,,

 

[chemman]

Yea I think the numbness and tingling is starting to subside 5 days after taking 25mg. But I really don't want to mess with that anymore. I understand that low b12 can overlap as well, but it was pretty much directly connected to the clomid intake. I highly doubt lyme disease at this point, based upon my response to clomid. I will say that the clomid helped me. Got rid of a lot of depression and anxiety. Joints are starting to feel like they're healing. I think we definitely know what my problem is at this point --> low T.

I am 100% on board with you trying to avoid TRT. A restart is my absolute preference. My ultimate goal is to be in balance without medication.

Chem

 

[hardasnails1973]

Yea I think the numbness and tingling is starting to subside 5 days after taking 25mg. But I really don't want to mess with that anymore. I understand that low b12 can overlap as well, but it was pretty much directly connected to the clomid intake. I highly doubt lyme disease at this point, based upon my response to clomid. I will say that the clomid helped me. Got rid of a lot of depression and anxiety. Joints are starting to feel like they're healing. I think we definitely know what my problem is at this point --> low T.

I am 100% on board with you trying to avoid TRT. A restart is my absolute preference. My ultimate goal is to be in balance without medication.

Chem

The next step is to look at nutra eval and to examine what is missing or is out at balance at cellular levels.