COMPLETE PEC RUPTURE/TEAR

[BulgingKingFlair]

I see what your saying. The range of motion increases with a narrow grip.
With a wide grip your tendon is at greater risk of rupture. This is the strain I had

It depends why youre performing the bench press exercise - if youre a bodybuilder looking for size and symmetry, youre gonna want to have a wider grip with your elbows flared out. It does put maximum strain on the pectoralis muscles, so common sense says this is the technique for you. Less weight, more reps.

If youre only goal is optimum strength, youre gonna want a more narrow grip a tiny bit wider than shoulder width and your elbows tucked in. This puts the perfect combo of pec, shoulder and tricep recruitment into synergy. WAY more weight and minimal reps.

If i tried bench pressing anything within 150-200 lbs of my max with a wide grip and elbows out, i would be searching for two new tits instead of one.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I just thought it was common knowledge the tendon that connects the shoulder to the pectoral will be stretched maximally when the arms are furthest from the chest (wide grip)

 

[Notits]

I just thought it was common knowledge the tendon that connects the shoulder to the pectoral will be stretched maximally when the arms are furthest from the chest (wide grip)

Not so.

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[gr8whitetrukker]

Let's examine the dumbbell fly
What is the most noticeable thing our friend Arnold is doing here?

Arms as FAR away from the body as possible
Arms perpendicular to the torso
What is all this meant to achieve?
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Maximal pectoral stretch

 

[Big_paul]

How is this prevented? Stretching?

I'm just getting over an injury from 2 1/2 months ago benching. I start hammer strength and get a full stretch. I'm also well hydrated. I have had plenty of injuries since I started training 35 years ago, but fortunately not a pec tear. That sucks bro.

 

[Notits]

Let's examine the dumbbell fly
What is the most noticeable thing our friend Arnold is doing here?
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Arms as FAR away from the body as possible
Arms perpendicular to the torso
What is all this meant to achieve?
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Maximal pectoral stretch

Your just proving my point look at the angle of his upper arm. Widening the grip increases the load not the stretch.

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[gr8whitetrukker]

Your just proving my point look at the angle of his upper arm. Widening the grip increases the load not the stretch.

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Increasing the load is what your trying to do
That's why PL's bench narrow. To protect the pec from tearing, protect the shoulder and press as efficiently as possible (in a straight line)
Pressing narrow makes the exercise easier or more efficient
Less efficient at building pecs

 

[Notits]

Increasing the load is what your trying to do
That's why PL's bench narrow. To protect the pec from tearing, protect the shoulder and press as efficiently as possible (in a straight line)
Pressing narrow makes the exercise easier or more efficient
Less efficient at building pecs

You said maximum stretch comes from wide grip - this is incorrect.

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[penche]

If youre only goal is optimum strength, youre gonna want a more narrow grip a tiny bit wider than shoulder width and your elbows tucked in. This puts the perfect combo of pec, shoulder and tricep recruitment into synergy. WAY more weight and minimal reps.

This is how I always benched, slightly wider than shoulder width. I could always push more weight with this method. Not tryin to side with anybody but I don't wish this injury on anyone. It took months to get back to normal. Even after a year, the inside tendon(inner pec) looked weird, like it was missing the meat. Took more years to build muscle around the divot area.

@BulgingKingFlair Im curious how you make out bro, keep me or the thread posted on the type of tear/injury. That article I posted mentions about PED's and how we build muscle rapidly leaving the tendons behind. HGH is the key in my opinion to this problem. I'm gonna sell my soul if I have to afford sero's cuz I ain't going through this shit again. I get under the flat bench now after several yrs, but my mind set is much different.

Before I found this article my orthro told me this same info minus the new technique of using mesh like they do with hernias to repair a torn muscle.

(you cannot repair muscle directly, therefore it is said that it is better if the surgeon waits for some fibrous tissue at either side of the tear). A very chronic tear can be very difficult to repair. One surgeon told this website that it can be done and he says that he uses a suturing technique the same as with a hernia repair.

Wish you a fast recovery bro.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Think about how the pectoral becomes overstretched...
A wide grip on the bar. Bring them hands in. Willing to bed risk of tear goes way down

You said maximum stretch comes from wide grip - this is incorrect.

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Ah I see how it is...guess I should of said OVERLOADED
Even with an OVER LOADED pectoral, strain and tearing will occur despite the stretch. I usually see these injuries at the tendon (outside). Not usually from a narrow grip. Sucks either way.

 

[BulgingKingFlair]

This is how I always benched, slightly wider than shoulder width. I could always push more weight with this method. Not tryin to side with anybody but I don't wish this injury on anyone. It took months to get back to normal. Even after a year, the inside tendon(inner pec) looked weird, like it was missing the meat. Took more years to build muscle around the divot area.

Thanks bud. I appreciate your interest and kind words.....

UPDATE

Had a last minute emergency consultation with a Traumatic Sports Injury Specialist today. With all the Universities out here, and everyones fanaticism for hockey (home of Sidney Crosby, Nathan McKinnon, and i think Brad Marchant) Rugby, and university football programs apparently results in about 10% of this type of injury. The other 90% have been solely bodybuilders - but never a "strength athlete". Point being, its not as rare as what ive been hearing and researching.....And so high in bodybuilders because as a general rule, bodybuilders arent strong (except Ron Coleman). Their workouts target one bodypart at a time, so if they even bother doing flat bench - their grip is wide, elbows are out, which basically cuts the shoulders and triceps out. Thats okay with them, because as i said - they are pec focused. Wide grip with high reps certainly blows up your pecs second only to dumbell presses.

Back to todays appointment. He looked at my mri and knew immediately the pec was gone. Luckily, praise God, it is the "good" tear. 5 inch inscision on my front delt, he goes in and finds the end of the tendon, bio-sutures it back to the bone, and drills a few kevlar anchors. I have the surgery wednesday, complete immobilization of my right arm in a sling for 6 weeks. Then physiotherapy for 8-10 months. The doc said he is so confident in this type of repair that as long as i follow the physio diligently and dont do anything stupid - i will be 100% or damn close to my peak strength and range of motion. He actually said if im still going crazy heavy in a few years, my repaired pec may be substancially stronger - so to be wary of overloading and blowing my other pec.

Game plan is to take the National record in a couple years - then adjust my focus to dumbell presses at a "reasonable" weight.

I still maintain my goal of DHing for my baseball team at the end of the season and playoffs.

One last thing - any tips on wiping your ass with your wrong hand? My Mom is flying in to help, but im not going there.

Stay tuned for post op pics if youre interested !!!!

@BulgingKingFlair Im curious how you make out bro, keep me or the thread posted on the type of tear/injury. That article I posted mentions about PED's and how we build muscle rapidly leaving the tendons behind. HGH is the key in my opinion to this problem. I'm gonna sell my soul if I have to afford sero's cuz I ain't going through this shit again. I get under the flat bench now after several yrs, but my mind set is much different.

Before I found this article my orthro told me this same info minus the new technique of using mesh like they do with hernias to repair a torn muscle.



Wish you a fast recovery bro.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Well...leg day everyday broseph.
Gonna have some sick wheels in 10 months

 

[stayinalive]

I got a mild ligament impediment. I can't have this happen to me ever,if all I care about is aesthetics will I ever have to worry about this?

 

[BulgingKingFlair]

Hey fellas,

Soery for the delayed update. I am now 11 days post-op. The pain was fairly ludicrous for the first few days, was on dilaudid and oxycodone. It worked amazingly well, but i stopped all pain meds cold turkey as i was finding them REALLY awesome. Lol.

So now, i go for my followup with the surgeon on May 5th. That will give me an idea of how well things went, and what goals i should set and then shatter.

Anyway, just wanted to keep anyone interested "in the loop".....i read an article that said being a strength athlete , my muscles are used to the trauma i put them thru in my workouts - so i should heal far nore quickly. Should be able to start going heavy at 6 months!

Anyway, first things first - another month in the sling......enjoy the pic!

 

[stayinalive]

Hey fellas,

Soery for the delayed update. I am now 11 days post-op. The pain was fairly ludicrous for the first few days, was on dilaudid and oxycodone. It worked amazingly well, but i stopped all pain meds cold turkey as i was finding them REALLY awesome. Lol.

So now, i go for my followup with the surgeon on May 5th. That will give me an idea of how well things went, and what goals i should set and then shatter.

Anyway, just wanted to keep anyone interested "in the loop".....i read an article that said being a strength athlete , my muscles are used to the trauma i put them thru in my workouts - so i should heal far nore quickly. Should be able to start going heavy at 6 months!

Anyway, first things first - another month in the sling......enjoy the pic!

This is straight up fucked up,If this ever happens to me I am done lifting. Why are there staples instead of stitches?

 

[kap73]

Hey fellas,

Soery for the delayed update. I am now 11 days post-op. The pain was fairly ludicrous for the first few days, was on dilaudid and oxycodone. It worked amazingly well, but i stopped all pain meds cold turkey as i was finding them REALLY awesome. Lol.

So now, i go for my followup with the surgeon on May 5th. That will give me an idea of how well things went, and what goals i should set and then shatter.

Anyway, just wanted to keep anyone interested "in the loop".....i read an article that said being a strength athlete , my muscles are used to the trauma i put them thru in my workouts - so i should heal far nore quickly. Should be able to start going heavy at 6 months!

Anyway, first things first - another month in the sling......enjoy the pic!

Wishing u well bro, my brother inlaw came off his quad bike recenlty and tore his pec, he is now 2 weeks post op..

 

[BulgingKingFlair]

Wishing u well bro, my brother inlaw came off his quad bike recenlty and tore his pec, he is now 2 weeks post op..

Thanks so much, ma man. Appreciate your encouragement. Hope your bro gets back to 100% really quickly. Its a total mind-fuck from hell. Lol.

 

[penche]

Hey fellas,

Soery for the delayed update. I am now 11 days post-op. The pain was fairly ludicrous for the first few days, was on dilaudid and oxycodone. It worked amazingly well, but i stopped all pain meds cold turkey as i was finding them REALLY awesome. Lol.

So now, i go for my followup with the surgeon on May 5th. That will give me an idea of how well things went, and what goals i should set and then shatter.

Anyway, just wanted to keep anyone interested "in the loop".....i read an article that said being a strength athlete , my muscles are used to the trauma i put them thru in my workouts - so i should heal far nore quickly. Should be able to start going heavy at 6 months!

Anyway, first things first - another month in the sling......enjoy the pic!

Thanks for the follow my man. Glad it was "good tear" bolt that tendon back on and no dent. Yes the pain is a mother fker I know first hand. Take it slow and you'll be back in the game before you know it.

 

[guyzcool]

Hey all,

Was training for the Canadian Nationals (Bench Only). Unassisted, so no bench shirts or most elbow sleeves.

Two Saturdays ago, i was training bench with my strength coach. I was working up to my max, and while using a weight i had done MANY times before - there was a quick ripping sensation on my right side and a very audible "pop". My strength went to zero on the right side immediately and the weight crashed down on that side of me.

All the "hardcore" lifters knew what happened and came to rescue my coach and I. They packed me with ice and held everything together with lifting wraps.

I see an orthopaedic surgeon tomorrow with my MRI, but i wanna go in with reasonable expectations and timeline for recovery.

Does anybody have any experience, knowledge or stories that might help?
Im gonna try and post a pic....

Thanks

Nothing, that's it, you're dead

 

[acoll83]

Hey fellas,

Soery for the delayed update. I am now 11 days post-op. The pain was fairly ludicrous for the first few days, was on dilaudid and oxycodone. It worked amazingly well, but i stopped all pain meds cold turkey as i was finding them REALLY awesome. Lol.

So now, i go for my followup with the surgeon on May 5th. That will give me an idea of how well things went, and what goals i should set and then shatter.

Anyway, just wanted to keep anyone interested "in the loop".....i read an article that said being a strength athlete , my muscles are used to the trauma i put them thru in my workouts - so i should heal far nore quickly. Should be able to start going heavy at 6 months!

Anyway, first things first - another month in the sling......enjoy the pic!

Motherfucker that looks painful man. I have a meet in 3 weeks and I'm taking a token bench because my shoulder/pec has extreme pain any time I bench 225+. I'm not getting it looked at until after the meet, no pain when I squat or dead. This thread solidifies my decision to not push thru the pain and bench lolol. I wish you a fast recovery brother, please keep this thread updated with your progress. Thanks.