Comprehensive Guide to PCT

[Anime2010]

i did tests 2weeks ago were
testesterone total 4.3 and normal is 2-8
estradiol e2 37 and normal 0-40

they in normal ranges as see and even that my tetes still so s small and have the androgenic effects like much fat and always sweat so much and always so exhausted /etc

 

[Burrr]

i did tests 2weeks ago were
testesterone total 4.3 and normal is 2-8
estradiol e2 37 and normal 0-40

they in normal ranges as see and even that my tetes still so s small and have the androgenic effects like much fat and always sweat so much and always so exhausted /etc

Well thats good, what about LH and FSH?

 

[Anime2010]

i did them too and LH/FSH were in normal range too and did prolactin and was a bit high than normal
btw i noticed my testes become smaller after i took nolvadex and my estradiol became high but not estradiol normal and all other too as i said before but even that i have still side effects of estrogen like gynostia and so much loss in body hair and always exhausted and sweat too much than normal and alot fat and my tests still small
so am i have to take pct to clean my system of these side effects ?

 

[Burrr]

Anime, that's kind of a new one to me. If it was me, I think I would try some Torem and clomid at half of a PCT dose and see how you respond.

If your LH, FSH, and Test are all in range, you shouldn't feel " broken" .

 

[Anime2010]

thank you for answer
but what about hcg power pct is it dangerous if i took it just to feel that i restored my system to balanced
hcg 5.000 every 5days for 20day
clomid 50mg twice daily for 30day
nolvadex 20mg twice daily for 45day

is it not that pct good for all who need to restoring their system back ?

and sorry for asking much i just need to be sure if i can take that hcg pcth without more damage to my system

 

[Burrr]

I wouldn't bother with the HCG, just low dose SERMS like torem, nolva, clomid

but keep researching.... I'm no expert on the subject.

 

[Sworder]

thank you for answer
but what about hcg power pct is it dangerous if i took it just to feel that i restored my system to balanced
hcg 5.000 every 5days for 20day
clomid 50mg twice daily for 30day
nolvadex 20mg twice daily for 45day

is it not that pct good for all who need to restoring their system back ?

and sorry for asking much i just need to be sure if i can take that hcg pcth without more damage to my system

Depends on how long you were shut down in regards to the hCG. People on TRT/blasting and cruising for 2-3 years will definitely need hCG.

I would recommend hCG in any cycle, the difference it will make in shorter cycles is less. But it doesn't hurt and it won't hurt your leydig cells. The whole desensitization things started because they would use 5k iU/shot for a longer period of time. It isn't an issue with power PCT but again how long were you shut down?


Note: Clomid and nolva has a 5 day half life. No need for twice a day dosing. Frontload or do the 40/20/20/20 100/50/50/50.

 

[Anime2010]

Depends on how long you were shut down in regards to the hCG. People on TRT/blasting and cruising for 2-3 years will definitely need hCG.

I would recommend hCG in any cycle, the difference it will make in shorter cycles is less. But it doesn't hurt and it won't hurt your leydig cells. The whole desensitization things started because they would use 5k iU/shot for a longer period of time. It isn't an issue with power PCT but again how long were you shut down?


Note: Clomid and nolva has a 5 day half life. No need for twice a day dosing. Frontload or do the 40/20/20/20 100/50/50/50.

hi thank you for reply

if yu mean how long i shut down of any steroid i have now 3years did not took anything or any cycle but still have gyno and alot fat and my testes still small and so much body hair loss

btw i just need power pct to feel that i cleaned my body enough from side effects of the steroids i took before because i did not any pct before so i need to do pct now but just want if its safe to take power pct with that high hcg and is not nolvadex have to decrease dose last 2weeks or just take 40mg daily for 45day ?

 

[Anime2010]

i want to go Power pct

-every 5days 1shot 5000hcg ui for 20days so 4shots 20.000ui in total
-clomid 100mg daily (50mg twice per day) for 30day
-nolvadex 40mg daily (20mg twice per day) for 45day

-what is best time of the day to take hcg shot is it at night or does not matter what time is it ?
-what is best time of the day to take clomid doses so take 50mg 12h apart or one dose 100mg better and if one dose what is best time for that ?
-what is best time to take nolvadex doses so take 20mg 12h apart or one dose 40mg better and if one dose is best time to take nolvadex is at night before bed ? or what is best time ?

i need to know the answers as fast possible please because i need to start PCT after 2days max


thank you

 

[Sworder]

i want to go Power pct

-every 5days 1shot 5000hcg ui for 20days so 4shots 20.000ui in total
-clomid 100mg daily (50mg twice per day) for 30day
-nolvadex 40mg daily (20mg twice per day) for 45day

-what is best time of the day to take hcg shot is it at night or does not matter what time is it ?
-what is best time of the day to take clomid doses so take 50mg 12h apart or one dose 100mg better and if one dose what is best time for that ?
-what is best time to take nolvadex doses so take 20mg 12h apart or one dose 40mg better and if one dose is best time to take nolvadex is at night before bed ? or what is best time ?

i need to know the answers as fast possible please because i need to start PCT after 2days max


thank you

Hello,
You need to start the HCG part of the Power PCT and when on HCG you need to get labs of Total Testosterone, once your labs show your tT in the 600+ range you can start on SERMs. DO NOT START SERMs until you see LAB WORK on tT being 600+

1. It doesn't matter the time of the day on hCG.

2. SERMs doesn't matter either, you can take the dose once a day. It has a 5 day half life.

 

[Anime2010]

Hello,
You need to start the HCG part of the Power PCT and when on HCG you need to get labs of Total Testosterone, once your labs show your tT in the 600+ range you can start on SERMs. DO NOT START SERMs until you see LAB WORK on tT being 600+

1. It doesn't matter the time of the day on hCG.

2. SERMs doesn't matter either, you can take the dose once a day. It has a 5 day half life.

but in this protocol (D.scally PCT) i have to take serms with the hcg all in the same time so i have to take 4shots each one 5.000ui every 5days with every day 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex all together

 

[Sworder]

but in this protocol (D.scally PCT) i have to take serms with the hcg all in the same time so i have to take 4shots each one 5.000ui every 5days with every day 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex all together

No that's not right.

 

[Anime2010]

What drinks should avoid in PCT ?


I am in Power pct
-every 5days 1shot pregnyl 5000hcg ui for 20days so 4shots 20.000ui in total
-clomid 100mg daily (50mg twice per day 12h apart) for 30day
-nolvadex 40mg daily (20mg twice per day 12h apart) for 45day

what drinks i am not able to drink during this pct please ?
btw i do not mean only alcohol i mean drinks like Tea/Cofee/lemon juce/etc
and i am drininking so much Tea and cofee all the time is that can affect bad or Invalidate effect of Serms like nolvadex/clomid ?

 

[jazzy mclicious]

I think your fine with the coffee and tea bro I never heard of either diminishing the effects of PCT

 

[jazzy mclicious]

just don't take the pills at the same time as coffee as it may hinder absorption because coffee empties the bowels

 

[Fastmugga]

Comprehensive Guide to PCT - Revised 04-05-2014 at 23:15 GMT

Proper PCT Protocol

PCT should only begin when the body is in an environment to stimulate LH and FSH secretion. In the case of testosterone this environment is achieved once TT begins to dip below pre cycle TT levels. Therefore not only to judge when pct has been successful but also to determine when pct should begin Pre-cycle blood levels should be taken.

How do we determine when TT levels fall below baseline aside from experiencing side effects or getting blood drawn every week?

As we know TT is directly related with the amount of exogenous testosterone we administer. In TRT studies it is generally excepted that a 100mg shot of testosterone enanthate/cyp will put blood levels at around 800-900ng/dl.
We can thus use this conversion with decent accuracy to judge at what mg TT levels will fall below baseline. (The conversion ratio somewhat lessens as doses increase therefore we should air on the side of caution when determining the optimal test mg target)

For example if pre-cycle levels are 500ng/dl then PCT should only begin when exogenous test falls to roughly 50mg. This will put TT in the 400-500ng/dl range and thus in a state where HPTA stimulation of FSH and LH release begins to become possible.

Now that we understand how to determine optimal Mg range of ex Test for HPTA restoration we must now find the length of time required to reach said levels after the last injection. To do this we must first understand Half lives of the varying esters and the variation they can have with each individual's physiology. Some users metabolize AAS more quickly or more slowly than others therefore we can only identify an average. Ill give one practical example of the commonly used ester Enanthate.

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days.

It would be worthwhile to determine your own metabolization rate by taking a blood test after the 4th AVERAGE half life has passed. (In this case it would be at 20 days) Based on TT levels at this point you can determine YOUR half life.

Now that we understand how to accurately calculate a PCT start date based on our own physiology, what should an effective pct consist of?

HCG may be used during cycle and is consider to be a better option by many. There is a bill Roberts article that you may refer to on the subject. He suggests 500iu EOD throughout the cycle. If you did not use HCG during your cycle, here is a variation of Dr. Scally's PCT protocol for AAS users (his experience and expertise speaks for itself)

HCG 2000iu E3D for 14 days before pct start date

PCT start

1-35 Clomiphene 50mg morning and night
1-45 Tamoxifen 20mg morning and night

1-45 low dose of Exemestane 12.5mg E3D (Optional)

The combination of Clomid and Nolva has been shown to provide better results than when compared alone. Clomid has a slightly different MOA than Nolva And Torem if you must use Torem in your PCT it should be a substitute for Nolva not Clomid. An equivalent dose of Torem for 40mg Nolva would be 120mg.

This PCT will give you the best chance at achieving and maintaining pre cycle TT levels rapidly after cessation of treatment for all AAS cycles under 25 weeks of suppression. PCT requirements vary depending on the user and mainly length of shutdown.

Post pct bloods should be taken approximately 2-3 weeks after cessation of treatment to ensure restoration has been achieved without further aid from SERM's. If restoration has not been achieved restart this PCT or better yet, CONSULT A PHYSICIAN!

Switching To Short Chain Esters

A largely overlooked factor that can greatly aid in maintaining gains, reducing HPTA shutdown length or extending a cycle without lengthening HPTA shutdown is switching from Long ester AAS to short ester AAS toward the end of the cycle. When done correctly this reduces the amount of time that users must wait to start PCT and/or increases the amount of time TT levels stay supra-physiological.

Here is a practical example of how to perform a switch to Test P from a regular 12 week cycle of Test E allowing us to extend it to 16 weeks. (In both cases length of shutdown is still 17 weeks)

First we must calculate our pct start date. For this example we will be using 750mg test e a week. With Ex test at about 1500 5 half lives have to pass to reach below 50mg. A PCT start date of 35 days is again warranted. Therefore we will start test p injections 35 days or 5 weeks before the end of the cycle.

Week 1-11 Test e 750mg
Week 13 Test p 400mg
Week 14 Test p 600mg
Week 15-16 Test p 700mg

Test p half life 2 days +/- 18hours (I will use a 2.5 day calculation)

PCT start 7 days

Tapering the test p injections upward in this fashion will ensure that TT levels do not spike dramatically when the shorter more quickly metabolized half life is introduced.

As we can see This will apply the same length of shutdown to the HPTA (17 weeks in both cases) but you will be able to extend the amount of time TT levels remain supra physiological.

Or if you would like you can use this method to shorten HPTA suppression length by removing the extra weeks of injections and starting test p from weeks 8-12. (13 weeks of shutdown instead of 17)

I was wondering why when switching to a shorter ester to extend a cycle while longer esters clear why you would skip week 12 and start with the short ester at week 13? I did my last injection of test enanthate @625mg yesterday. Then today I injected 100mg of the testosterone acetate100mg/ml that I have and was going to run that at 100mg a day until the 20ml bottle I have is gone. But I stumble across your post here and am now thinking I may be doing this wrong. What should I do? Wait until next Tuesday to start my test ace? Please and thank you for your time and help .

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Just Wondering, can the body homeostasis from ASIH over time itself, without taking anything ?

 

[Burrr]

Jay, it can do that^^, most of the time.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Thanks Burr. Im just sick of feeling ok for a while after hcg and then crashing. Gonna ride it out hope for the best

 

[Burrr]

Jay, read up on posts from DR Scally, restarting men with ASIH is his specialty.