Coronavirus affecting everyone and everything

IMO that article is correct in the assumption that the fatality rate is gonna be lower once it’s all said and done. We’re disproportionately testing the gravely ill and dead. The models that predict 2m dead in the US alone are being shredded in peer reviews.

But I don’t think we should respond lightly. We just shouldn’t panic.

I’m no epidemiologist but I do unddtand stats, but it would seem there Are two routes:
1. Quarantine until the virus is effectively “extinct”
2. Do enough to limit healthcare from being overwhelmed (and separating the at risk from the population) while allowing us to approach herd immunity

I’m sorry about your home country; but your population and customs were always going to make this terrible. Age, smoking, generational mixing, etc.
 
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The section on Wikipedia changing the Spanish Flu stats is a real eye opener.

Panic Pandemic – Why are people who should know better buying the Covid19 hype?

Exaggerated or invented, the true danger Covid19 poses is shutting down our sense of reason


Catte Black, March 16, 2020


The only certainty about the ‘novel’ virus is that a great deal of nonsense is being talked about it by people who really ought to know better, and a great deal of opportunism is being displayed.

From Netanyahu grabbing the chance to postpone his corruption trial to Hollywood starlets claiming they have ‘tested positive’ (surely not a sad and cynical attempt to up their profile), this bandwagon is seething and teeming with those trying to seize their moment of fame or get rich or stay out of jail or just join in the mayhem

It’s cool to be nCoV-positive now. Maybe that’s why such inordinate numbers of famous people are staking their claim to it.

ISIS are apparently a bit worried about nCoV also and is allegedly sending out travel advisories to its jihadists.

Yup, that’s a real thing, right there. Really happening. Definitely.

Meanwhile, the propaganda is relentless, and there’s a variety for all tastes.

If you like your fear porn vanilla you can read all the articles based on total speculation that tell you millions will die if we don’t demand martial law and vaccines. (Speaking of vaccines, the as-yet-untested Covid19 vaccine is going to mandatory in Denmark, and in the US the manufacturers will have legal immunity should it cause any ill-effects).

If you are of a more sceptical turn of mind well, how about nCoV as bio-weapon? Plenty of juicy stuff on that topic also.

And scientists and science journals are not immune. There’s no shortage of people with PhDs willing to talk nonsense with a sciencey spin in order to convince the more inquiring proles that the governments are correct to invoke emergency powers and get that untested vaccine cranking out asap.

Look at this beauty. Written by a team of MDs and other ‘experts’ and appearing in The Lancet, it is about the most naked example I have seen to date of pseudoscience being used to inflate the perception of nCoV as something other than what it is.

The purpose of the article is apparently to find some sort of barely rational reason for estimating the nCoV case fatality rate to be higher than it actually is by a factor of ten.

Here’s the ‘reasoning’ it offers:

However, these mortality rate estimates are based on the number of deaths relative to the number of confirmed cases of infection, which is not representative of the actual death rate; patients who die on any given day were infected much earlier, and thus the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died.

They actually suggest with a straight face (though they don’t say why) that in order to get a ‘real’ figure for case fatality we need to count deaths as a percentage only of those who became infected at the same time as those who died.

So, if on Day One of a hypothetical new disease, two people get it and one dies, this would be a 50% case fatality ratio.

Sure, no problem. Common sense and statistics agree with that.

But what if from Day Two to Day Ten inclusive 198 more people get it and none of them die?

Well, according to the normal method of assessing CFR that would be 200 cases, one death, and a CFR of 0.5%

But with this brilliant new method, it would still be a CFR of 50% – because we are only allowed to count the cases who got sick on the same day as the fatality. And only two people got sick that day, of whom 50% died.

You see the corrupt genius of it? It’s a statistical nonsense that crucially gives permission to any would-be stats compilers in the WHO or elsewhere to overestimate the CFR of this bug, or indeed any other subsequent alleged ‘killer’ virus.

If you doubt this is the point, then read the article. This is just what the authors do, having the total gall to claim the ‘real’ CFR for nCoV is anywhere up to 20%, based solely on this crazy new way of figuring out the stats.

Which will look great in future headlines, and help pave the way for public acceptance of a total fascist dictatorship.

If you ever doubted that corruption is now endemic and all our institutions – political, legal, medical – are stacked with yes-men and jobsworths or fools prepared to put their names to any junk proclamation that might get them a raise or save their professional skins, just think of this article. Written by alleged world-class ‘experts’, published in the Lancet, and nothing more than a word salad of contradictory nonsense and meaningless conclusions designed to promote a political and propagandist point.

It even at one point acknowledges the probability of many many subclinical or symptom-free carriers of this supposed virus. But while the authors satisfy some dormant scrap of conscience by alluding to it they don’t draw their readers’ attention to the concomitant fact this lowers the case fatality by quite a way. In fact they allow themselves to sort of imply the opposite, because that is the level on which such people work:

Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified.

This is just one example of the forest of disinformative, hysterical, fog-bound garbage being poured on our heads about this so-called pandemic. That this is part of a coordinated and massive attempt to instil worldwide fear and enact worldwide population-management methods is now undeniable.

What is nCoV19? I honestly do not know.

The more the fear porn ramps up, the less certain I become of any aspect of the narrative surrounding it. We are definitely all being discouraged from questioning its virulence, discouraged from referring to its official fatality and case numbers, which do not correlate with the level of fear we are being told is appropriate. There is certainly a massive and multifaceted attempt to fudge and inflate those numbers to bring them in line with the ‘response’.

This brings us back to our revelation that good old Wikipedia have been downgrading the CFR of the Spanish Flu. It’s hard not to see this as part of the same process.

The actual death rates just aren’t high enough. So talk them up, play pea and thimble games with the stats, and do some Memory-Holing so that the 1918 pandemic suddenly has a very similar CFR, allowing your tame media to make all the right comparisons in their op eds and editorials, pointing out how many millions died back then despite it only having a fatality ratio of 2.5%.

They seem aware of the discrepancy, and are making efforts to prevent people researching it. The WHO are warning people not to read “too much” about the disease in order to protect their mental health. In a write up on the reccomendations, the BBC says this:

There is a lot of misinformation swirling around – stay informed by sticking to trusted sources of information such as government and NHS websites

Whether this virus is as imaginary as some are saying, or entirely real, it’s being hyped to a point beyond any connection with reality, and not just in the media. It’s a multi-pronged assault on our minds right now. Allegedly reliable and authoritative medical professionals are just as likely to talk propaganda at you as some government minister or media halfwit.

Even in the alt-media, many have stopped thinking and gone full deer-in-the-headlights, devoting their websites to recycling government talking points and urging those same governments to lock down their citizens.

How bizarre is it that outlets who were – just weeks ago – warning against trusting anything that comes out of the mouths of our ‘masters’, are now prepared to surrender entirely to official narratives and official ‘safe-keeping’ – and for a virus which, even if totally real, has killed about 7,000 people – or around 7% of the numbers who have died over the same time period – of the current flu.

Yes, that is a real statistic. https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/bod/FAQsInfluenzaMortalityEstimate.pdf?ua=1.

And no, don’t tell me it’s “not a fair comparison” because the flu is ‘always’ here and nCoV is new. All you do by that is display your unthinking foolishness. Flu viruses are RNA viruses that mutate all the time – which is why you can catch ‘the flu’ over and over again; You’re catching a different strain, a ‘new’ variant. Just like nCoV it needs to travel by infection routes. And just like nCov it has to start small.

But unlike nCov it has already managed to kill around 100,000 people since Jan 1 this year. So let go of that particular piece of nonsense, ok?

Do the alt-media types backing these extreme quarantine and self-isolation notions think the anti-assembly laws, mandatory vaccines and other special powers will all just vanish once this crisis has subsided (because all pandemics eventually do go away)? Do they think the de facto martial law will be temporary?

Do they think we can just ask nice and everything will go back to the way it was? (assuming, of course, the entire system hasn’t morphed into the Hunger Games due to global financial meltdown and mass poverty, because we all basically signed off on closing down what remains of our economy.

Are they thinking at all, or just reacting?

The panic is now seeding itself and doing the propaganda work for those who set it off, and an obvious and very very alarming agenda is being rolled out right behind it.

It’s never been more important to stay alert, sceptical and objective. We’ll keep trying to do that – and you should all do the same.
 
The section on Wikipedia changing the Spanish Flu stats is a real eye opener.

Panic Pandemic – Why are people who should know better buying the Covid19 hype?

Exaggerated or invented, the true danger Covid19 poses is shutting down our sense of reason


Catte Black, March 16, 2020


The only certainty about the ‘novel’ virus is that a great deal of nonsense is being talked about it by people who really ought to know better, and a great deal of opportunism is being displayed.

From Netanyahu grabbing the chance to postpone his corruption trial to Hollywood starlets claiming they have ‘tested positive’ (surely not a sad and cynical attempt to up their profile), this bandwagon is seething and teeming with those trying to seize their moment of fame or get rich or stay out of jail or just join in the mayhem

It’s cool to be nCoV-positive now. Maybe that’s why such inordinate numbers of famous people are staking their claim to it.

ISIS are apparently a bit worried about nCoV also and is allegedly sending out travel advisories to its jihadists.

Yup, that’s a real thing, right there. Really happening. Definitely.

Meanwhile, the propaganda is relentless, and there’s a variety for all tastes.

If you like your fear porn vanilla you can read all the articles based on total speculation that tell you millions will die if we don’t demand martial law and vaccines. (Speaking of vaccines, the as-yet-untested Covid19 vaccine is going to mandatory in Denmark, and in the US the manufacturers will have legal immunity should it cause any ill-effects).

If you are of a more sceptical turn of mind well, how about nCoV as bio-weapon? Plenty of juicy stuff on that topic also.

And scientists and science journals are not immune. There’s no shortage of people with PhDs willing to talk nonsense with a sciencey spin in order to convince the more inquiring proles that the governments are correct to invoke emergency powers and get that untested vaccine cranking out asap.

Look at this beauty. Written by a team of MDs and other ‘experts’ and appearing in The Lancet, it is about the most naked example I have seen to date of pseudoscience being used to inflate the perception of nCoV as something other than what it is.

The purpose of the article is apparently to find some sort of barely rational reason for estimating the nCoV case fatality rate to be higher than it actually is by a factor of ten.

Here’s the ‘reasoning’ it offers:

However, these mortality rate estimates are based on the number of deaths relative to the number of confirmed cases of infection, which is not representative of the actual death rate; patients who die on any given day were infected much earlier, and thus the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died.

They actually suggest with a straight face (though they don’t say why) that in order to get a ‘real’ figure for case fatality we need to count deaths as a percentage only of those who became infected at the same time as those who died.

So, if on Day One of a hypothetical new disease, two people get it and one dies, this would be a 50% case fatality ratio.

Sure, no problem. Common sense and statistics agree with that.

But what if from Day Two to Day Ten inclusive 198 more people get it and none of them die?

Well, according to the normal method of assessing CFR that would be 200 cases, one death, and a CFR of 0.5%

But with this brilliant new method, it would still be a CFR of 50% – because we are only allowed to count the cases who got sick on the same day as the fatality. And only two people got sick that day, of whom 50% died.

You see the corrupt genius of it? It’s a statistical nonsense that crucially gives permission to any would-be stats compilers in the WHO or elsewhere to overestimate the CFR of this bug, or indeed any other subsequent alleged ‘killer’ virus.

If you doubt this is the point, then read the article. This is just what the authors do, having the total gall to claim the ‘real’ CFR for nCoV is anywhere up to 20%, based solely on this crazy new way of figuring out the stats.

Which will look great in future headlines, and help pave the way for public acceptance of a total fascist dictatorship.

If you ever doubted that corruption is now endemic and all our institutions – political, legal, medical – are stacked with yes-men and jobsworths or fools prepared to put their names to any junk proclamation that might get them a raise or save their professional skins, just think of this article. Written by alleged world-class ‘experts’, published in the Lancet, and nothing more than a word salad of contradictory nonsense and meaningless conclusions designed to promote a political and propagandist point.

It even at one point acknowledges the probability of many many subclinical or symptom-free carriers of this supposed virus. But while the authors satisfy some dormant scrap of conscience by alluding to it they don’t draw their readers’ attention to the concomitant fact this lowers the case fatality by quite a way. In fact they allow themselves to sort of imply the opposite, because that is the level on which such people work:

Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified.

This is just one example of the forest of disinformative, hysterical, fog-bound garbage being poured on our heads about this so-called pandemic. That this is part of a coordinated and massive attempt to instil worldwide fear and enact worldwide population-management methods is now undeniable.

What is nCoV19? I honestly do not know.

The more the fear porn ramps up, the less certain I become of any aspect of the narrative surrounding it. We are definitely all being discouraged from questioning its virulence, discouraged from referring to its official fatality and case numbers, which do not correlate with the level of fear we are being told is appropriate. There is certainly a massive and multifaceted attempt to fudge and inflate those numbers to bring them in line with the ‘response’.

This brings us back to our revelation that good old Wikipedia have been downgrading the CFR of the Spanish Flu. It’s hard not to see this as part of the same process.

The actual death rates just aren’t high enough. So talk them up, play pea and thimble games with the stats, and do some Memory-Holing so that the 1918 pandemic suddenly has a very similar CFR, allowing your tame media to make all the right comparisons in their op eds and editorials, pointing out how many millions died back then despite it only having a fatality ratio of 2.5%.

They seem aware of the discrepancy, and are making efforts to prevent people researching it. The WHO are warning people not to read “too much” about the disease in order to protect their mental health. In a write up on the reccomendations, the BBC says this:

There is a lot of misinformation swirling around – stay informed by sticking to trusted sources of information such as government and NHS websites

Whether this virus is as imaginary as some are saying, or entirely real, it’s being hyped to a point beyond any connection with reality, and not just in the media. It’s a multi-pronged assault on our minds right now. Allegedly reliable and authoritative medical professionals are just as likely to talk propaganda at you as some government minister or media halfwit.

Even in the alt-media, many have stopped thinking and gone full deer-in-the-headlights, devoting their websites to recycling government talking points and urging those same governments to lock down their citizens.

How bizarre is it that outlets who were – just weeks ago – warning against trusting anything that comes out of the mouths of our ‘masters’, are now prepared to surrender entirely to official narratives and official ‘safe-keeping’ – and for a virus which, even if totally real, has killed about 7,000 people – or around 7% of the numbers who have died over the same time period – of the current flu.

Yes, that is a real statistic. https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/bod/FAQsInfluenzaMortalityEstimate.pdf?ua=1.

And no, don’t tell me it’s “not a fair comparison” because the flu is ‘always’ here and nCoV is new. All you do by that is display your unthinking foolishness. Flu viruses are RNA viruses that mutate all the time – which is why you can catch ‘the flu’ over and over again; You’re catching a different strain, a ‘new’ variant. Just like nCoV it needs to travel by infection routes. And just like nCov it has to start small.

But unlike nCov it has already managed to kill around 100,000 people since Jan 1 this year. So let go of that particular piece of nonsense, ok?

Do the alt-media types backing these extreme quarantine and self-isolation notions think the anti-assembly laws, mandatory vaccines and other special powers will all just vanish once this crisis has subsided (because all pandemics eventually do go away)? Do they think the de facto martial law will be temporary?

Do they think we can just ask nice and everything will go back to the way it was? (assuming, of course, the entire system hasn’t morphed into the Hunger Games due to global financial meltdown and mass poverty, because we all basically signed off on closing down what remains of our economy.

Are they thinking at all, or just reacting?

The panic is now seeding itself and doing the propaganda work for those who set it off, and an obvious and very very alarming agenda is being rolled out right behind it.

It’s never been more important to stay alert, sceptical and objective. We’ll keep trying to do that – and you should all do the same.

Thank you. This was a well written piece.

When I heard this morning on a local media outlet “the virus can be spread by 20-50 year olds with NO symptoms whatsoever, unknowingly infecting those around them.” I was like wtf, this is an imaginary disease.

There is definitely an agenda behind this. The “virus” is just clearing the way for that agenda. I have friends, that I once respected, that have left on the hype train, making crazy statements and supporting the shut-downs. Complete insanity fueled by fear.

At a minimum the media should be held criminally liable for spreading misinformation. There’s no reason to have “up to the minute coverage” when you repeat the same prewritten diatribe. Brain-washing.
 
IMO that article is correct in the assumption that the fatality rate is gonna be lower once it’s all said and done. We’re disproportionately testing the gravely ill and dead. The models that predict 2m dead in the US alone are being shredded in peer reviews.

But I don’t think we should respond lightly. We just shouldn’t panic.

I’m no epidemiologist but I do unddtand stats, but it would seem there Are two routes:
1. Quarantine until the virus is effectively “extinct”
2. Do enough to limit healthcare from being overwhelmed (and separating the at risk from the population) while allowing us to approach herd immunity

I’m sorry about your home country; but your population and customs were always going to make this terrible. Age, smoking, generational mixing, etc.

Fatality rate depends whether hospitals anc doctors are there to treat the ill. About 20% of infected develop severe pneumonia, a kind unseen before, lungs can fill up with fluid in a matter of hrs and you cant breathe anymore. What will happen when hospitals are saturated and doctors cant take care if the sick, also cause their getting sick (and dying) themselves? What if you happen to have a car accident, stroke, or anything requiring urgent treatment, but theres not one single empty bed for you?

Virus itself might not be that deadly but the essence of the threat is inability of health system to handle all the patients, cause there's just too many of them at once.
 
Fatality rate depends whether hospitals anc doctors are there to treat the ill. About 20% of infected develop severe pneumonia, a kind unseen before, lungs can fill up with fluid in a matter of hrs and you cant breathe anymore. What will happen when hospitals are saturated and doctors cant take care if the sick, also cause their getting sick (and dying) themselves? What if you happen to have a car accident, stroke, or anything requiring urgent treatment, but theres not one single empty bed for you?

Virus itself might not be that deadly but the essence of the threat is inability of health system to handle all the patients, cause there's just too many of them at once.
You continue to ignore that any statistic you cite right now is inflated. Inherently. It isn’t debatable for the time being. if your benchmark is italy; yes. End of the world. Gonna kill a lot of people there. That’s a fact.
 
You continue to ignore that any statistic you cite right now is inflated. Inherently. It isn’t debatable for the time being. if your benchmark is italy; yes. End of the world. Gonna kill a lot of people there. That’s a fact.

Dude its not stats, its real, its happening here, NOW.
 
My state is mostly shut down for the time being. I basically go to work and stay home. There are a lot of aspects to this that don't add up to me. Maybe some of you more intelligent guys can weigh in. Why is there not more testing going on? We had a drive thru location near me that closed in 2 days because of lack of tests available. How is that Korea can test in excess of 250,000 people and we can't?? They adopted testing through the W.H.O. The US has adopted to make their own tests? Nothing more than red tape and political b.s. Rather than getting testing from the W.H.O., the U.S. has decided to let big pharma manufacture tests at apparently a much slower rate? If the government would have gone the W.H.O. route it would cut out big pharma, which I'm sure makes large political contributions.
 
I went to CostCo. . . I've never been so rudely treated in my life . . . All I did was ask for toilet paper at the Customer Service counter . . . The woman behind the counter yelled at the top of her lungs “OH MY GOD, NOOOOO!! . . .”

I politely said there's no need to make a scene and shuffled back to the bathroom with my pants around my ankles . . .
 
[OA] A Fiasco In The Making: More Data Is Not The Answer To The Coronavirus Pandemic

On March 17, John Ioannidis published a column in which he downplays descriptions of coronavirus as a “once-in-a-century pandemic", instead calling the worldwide response “a once-in-a-century data fiasco".

The main thrust of the article, which I address in points (i)-(iii) below, is that we still know very little about the disease, its fatality rate, and the overall risks it poses to public health; and that in face of this uncertainty, we should seek additional data in order to make evidence-based policy decisions. Ioannidis's call for additional evidence and study may be fully appropriate in every other research setting one could imagine.

But it is wholly inappropriate for handling dynamic and complex problems in real time. The article makes no definitive claims, but plants seeds of confusion and sheds plenty of doubt about the worldwide effort to fight the pandemic.

If the viewpoint in Ioannidis's column were shared by even a small fraction of the general public or by anyone in a position of authority-president, governor, mayor, school superintendent-its consequences could be severe.

The virus would continue to spread indefinitely, infecting tens or hundreds of thousands, further overwhelming the healthcare system, leading to unnecessary deaths and total disaster.



Harry Crane (2020). A fiasco in the making: More data is not the answer to the coronavirus pandemic. RESEARCHERS.ONE, https://www.researchers.one/article/2020-03-10.
 
Hey, what about of increasing fat-food to getting a good homestasis with the virus?

Covi-19 have molecular structure similar to fat structure.

@Michael Scally MD
Lick every surface available to the general publics unwashed hands. Lick your gloryhole opening. Go to the biohazard dumpster at your local medical center and pretend it's the ball pit at your local McDonald's. If you do all of these things the planet will improve. Humanity will improve.

Before you do this, can you post those crescent rolls boobies one last time?
 
I’ve been getting more interested in finding out what the number of active cases of Covid 19 are so I began to look for a website that told more than only the fearful score of how many positive tested cases have been found. I ran across this site that seems to have well updated info and is broken down into much more useful parameters than the media/govt run pages. It looks like it also shows worldwide info if you would care to use different distinguishing parameters for the search.

United States Coronavirus: 19,781 Cases and 276 Deaths - Worldometer
 
[OA] A Fiasco In The Making: More Data Is Not The Answer To The Coronavirus Pandemic

On March 17, John Ioannidis published a column in which he downplays descriptions of coronavirus as a “once-in-a-century pandemic", instead calling the worldwide response “a once-in-a-century data fiasco".

The main thrust of the article, which I address in points (i)-(iii) below, is that we still know very little about the disease, its fatality rate, and the overall risks it poses to public health; and that in face of this uncertainty, we should seek additional data in order to make evidence-based policy decisions. Ioannidis's call for additional evidence and study may be fully appropriate in every other research setting one could imagine.

But it is wholly inappropriate for handling dynamic and complex problems in real time. The article makes no definitive claims, but plants seeds of confusion and sheds plenty of doubt about the worldwide effort to fight the pandemic.

If the viewpoint in Ioannidis's column were shared by even a small fraction of the general public or by anyone in a position of authority-president, governor, mayor, school superintendent-its consequences could be severe.

The virus would continue to spread indefinitely, infecting tens or hundreds of thousands, further overwhelming the healthcare system, leading to unnecessary deaths and total disaster.



Harry Crane (2020). A fiasco in the making: More data is not the answer to the coronavirus pandemic. RESEARCHERS.ONE, https://www.researchers.one/article/2020-03-10.

Destroying what's left of the world economy slaying dragons, imaginary or not, will result in far more deaths. Add to that the trillions being printed to keep the corporate behemoths liquid, and there soon won't be much of an infrastructure left to fight the next Spanish Flu which this virus isn't.
 
IMO that article is correct in the assumption that the fatality rate is gonna be lower once it’s all said and done. We’re disproportionately testing the gravely ill and dead. The models that predict 2m dead in the US alone are being shredded in peer reviews.

But I don’t think we should respond lightly. We just shouldn’t panic.

I’m no epidemiologist but I do unddtand stats, but it would seem there Are two routes:
1. Quarantine until the virus is effectively “extinct”
2. Do enough to limit healthcare from being overwhelmed (and separating the at risk from the population) while allowing us to approach herd immunity

I’m sorry about your home country; but your population and customs were always going to make this terrible. Age, smoking, generational mixing, etc.

3. Go back to normal and say fuck it, as the economic damage from “social distancing” is far too great. People are going to be living on the streets in a couple months if we keep everything shutdown.

I don’t know the best solution, probably a combo of 1-2-3. We’re basically fucked until a reliable vaccine is in widespread use.
 
Lick every surface available to the general publics unwashed hands. Lick your gloryhole opening. Go to the biohazard dumpster at your local medical center and pretend it's the ball pit at your local McDonald's. If you do all of these things the planet will improve. Humanity will improve.

Before you do this, can you post those crescent rolls boobies one last time?

I´m sorry don´t understood riglthly the main question.

Anyway, How are you?
 
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