Δ6-testosterone enanthate

[unknownpurple88]

I have test E provide by dragonordnance 300mg/ml and i have pip inyected only 0.5ml....

 

[readalot]

GCMS for structural impurities to the rescue. There is a reason this is part of C of A for pharma products. You are a fucking hero for raising awareness on this @janoshik.

Idiotic or unscrupulous raws manufacturer.

 

[bighunanballs]

@janoshik if you remember since it's been a few years, what % did that Test Cypionate gcms pickup the d6 isomer at?

 

[readalot]

@janoshik if you remember since it's been a few years, what % did that Test Cypionate gcms pickup the d6 isomer at?

About 10% using area count approximation.

Post in thread 'Δ6-testosterone enanthate'

May 29, 2021

@janoshik does this Delta 6 variance only exsist for test e raws? Also, does this variance exsist in any other AAS powder such as Testosterone Cypionate?

Funny that you ask, just today I've detected that, what I also believe to be delta 6 variant, in test cyp raws when I ran the test out of my personal curiosity!

(ignore the autoassigned name for the impurity)

I mean, what else would Jano do over the weekend, right?

I assume this is only happening for UGL produced raws and never allowed for true pharmaceutical testosterone e right?

It IS allowed in...

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[bighunanballs]

About 10% using area count approximation.

Post in thread 'Δ6-testosterone enanthate'

May 29, 2021

@janoshik does this Delta 6 variance only exsist for test e raws? Also, does this variance exsist in any other AAS powder such as Testosterone Cypionate?

Funny that you ask, just today I've detected that, what I also believe to be delta 6 variant, in test cyp raws when I ran the test out of my personal curiosity!

(ignore the autoassigned name for the impurity)

I mean, what else would Jano do over the weekend, right?

I assume this is only happening for UGL produced raws and never allowed for true pharmaceutical testosterone e right?

It IS allowed in...

• janoshik

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• 

So the test cyp tested the same % as the test enan. This would lead us to believe its not the d6 dimer causing the pip.

Something to take note of. When we synthesize d8 or d9 THC from CBD or hemp oleoresin the acid washing process to dimerise the CBD often causes other extremely harmful isomers and chemicals that then have to be further removed from the distillates. I'm talking benzene and other really fucked up shit.

 

[readalot]

So the test cyp tested the same % as the test enan. This would lead us to believe its not the d6 dimer causing the pip.

Two different impurities. We need more info on the Test cyp variant and confirm which USP impurity it was. I can't conclude that from the data presented.

 

[bighunanballs]

Funny that you ask, just today I've detected that, what I also believe to be delta 6 variant, in test cyp raws when I ran the test out of my personal curiosity!

@readalot it sounded like it was the same d6 impurity

 

[readalot]

@readalot it sounded like it was the same d6 impurity

Not sure. He could confirm with targeted MS plus standard.

Cool talking with you on all this.

 

[Dxt25]

This raw vendors should definitely test for this impurity. Ive read about the carbolic acid in test e but never delta 6 enanthate.

 

[maxtom]

Looking forward to more conclusions of this issue!

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

At the end of the day. Fuck Test E

 

[readalot]

Looking forward to more conclusions of this issue!

Structural impurities testing should be part of comprehensive screening package for raws and finished oils.

Don't let them cut corners or make sloppy gear. These people don't care about you and will get away with what you let them get away with. But keep defending them.

 

[Excel.exe]

About the PIP... I, in fact, do NOT know if delta 6 causes PIP. It's just a speculation at this point. Maybe somebody here has enough time to scour the journals to see what they say about it, but it's quite possible we'll never know.

I don't understand a single word, but

Several different amino acids appear to have been labeled as expected given the free radical nature of photoactivated δ6-testosterone

Analysis of the Steroid Binding Domain of Rat Androgen-Binding Protein*

The site-directed photoaffinity ligand [3H]17β-hydroxy-4,6-androstadien-3-one (δ6-testosterone) was used to label the steroid binding domain of rat androge

academic.oup.com

A previously undescribed testosterone metabolite (tentatively identified as either Δ1- or Δ6-testosterone sulfate) was present in significant proportions in all of the non-human apes examined.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016648002005695

 

[Avies48]

I don't understand a single word, but

Analysis of the Steroid Binding Domain of Rat Androgen-Binding Protein*

The site-directed photoaffinity ligand [3H]17β-hydroxy-4,6-androstadien-3-one (δ6-testosterone) was used to label the steroid binding domain of rat androge

academic.oup.com

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016648002005695

So they are getting their test from a bunch of apes? Jk jk

@The-Squat

May wanna check that test e or even cyp for this delta character… as its causing pip… if thats something some worry about? Usually with test e… but c has had it as well

@janoshik how does it get removed? Filtered or another way ?

 

[janoshik]

I don't know what is the most used method in industrial settings - not quite familiar with that.

Generally, I would opt for recrystallization.

 

[Excel.exe]

So they are getting their test from a bunch of apes? Jk jk

New bro science lore: Inject Test no ester with high delta six testosterone to get back like a silverback.

 

[graciebjj]

Structural impurities testing should be part of comprehensive screening package for raws and finished oils.

Don't let them cut corners or make sloppy gear. These people don't care about you and will get away with what you let them get away with. But keep defending them.

Trouble is that it may form over time, based on some Test E being painless when fresh and then developing PIP 6 months down the line. Makes screening difficult even if you're identifying the correct culprit, which isn't necessarily the case.

 

[bighunanballs]

Trouble is that it may form over time, based on some Test E being painless when fresh and then developing PIP 6 months down the line. Makes screening difficult even if you're identifying the correct culprit, which isn't necessarily the case.

Almost like the powder is either extremely hygroscopic And over time it's pulling in water from the atmosphere if it's not stored vacuum sealed or in an oxygen free environment. This maybe causing a degradation or slow conversion to d6 isomer. Similarly if there is any reagents left in the powder after processing if it sits for a long time the reagents may be still causing a reaction and conversion to d6 isomer.

 

[graciebjj]

Almost like the powder is either extremely hygroscopic And over time it's pulling in water from the atmosphere if it's not stored vacuum sealed or in an oxygen free environment. This maybe causing a degradation or slow conversion to d6 isomer. Similarly if there is any reagents left in the powder after processing if it sits for a long time the reagents may be still causing a reaction and conversion to d6 isomer.

I'm not a fuckin' nerd so I don't know about any of that. I just know when pin pin Test E sometimes it makes ouch ouch.

But I'm not sure if raws storage is the only consideration, as often it'll be freshly brewed oil that is smooth and then hurts if you revisit the vial 6 months later. Not sure how nohomoscopic the powder would still be once in oil in a sealed vial.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Almost like the powder is either extremely hygroscopic And over time it's pulling in water from the atmosphere if it's not stored vacuum sealed or in an oxygen free environment. This maybe causing a degradation or slow conversion to d6 isomer. Similarly if there is any reagents left in the powder after processing if it sits for a long time the reagents may be still causing a reaction and conversion to d6 isomer.

Nope

I made test e. Injected it. Pippy as fuck. Inflammation for a week

Sent it to a friend, he had 0 problems