DNP Cycle advise!

RedRoseActual

New Member
I'll start with stats and current stack:
6', 207, approximately 26%-27% bodyfat
450mg Test and 300 Mast per week
In, and have been in a cut since August. I've barely lost any weight, but I have lost inches, about 4-5 (can't exactly remember my starting measurement) which is what matters to me.

I'd like to see which, if any, of cycles you guys would prefer. Goal is to lose fat, but not so obviously fast.

DNP 125mg/ED for 30 days

DNP 250mg/EOD for 30 days

125mg/ED for 14 days, cycle off, cycle on at 250mg ED

Last thing, OTC Thermo after last dose to help control rebound?
 
this got gay fast
I wouldn’t call it gay, I think that Sworder is bicurious, that would explain why he spends his days on a forum of men that take steroids berating people here and there, he is just crying for attention, nervously waiting for that pm of someone asking where he is from and if they can swap some nudes.
 
Yes.


It is, but if you are stressed then your body will force you to eat. You can't resist that urge and that's why OP is struggling.

Did you count calories when you were a teenager? I bet you were lean like you are now.
Stress causes binge Eating on you because you are a little bitch, plain and simple, but who can blame you for not being a virtuoso like your daddy?

He always knew you were going to be a disappointment, that’s why he abandoned your sorry ass
 
Stress causes binge Eating on you because you are a little bitch
Relationship between stress, eating behavior, and obesity
Relationship between stress, eating behavior, and obesity - ScienceDirect

Abstract
Stress is thought to influence human eating behavior and has been examined in animal and human studies. Our understanding of the stress-eating relation is confounded by limitations inherent in the study designs; however, we can make some tentative conclusions that support the notion that stress can influence eating patterns in humans. Stress appears to alter overall food intake in two ways, resulting in under- or overeating, which may be influenced by stressor severity. Chronic life stress seems to be associated with a greater preference for energy- and nutrient-dense foods, namely those that are high in sugar and fat. Evidence from longitudinal studies suggests that chronic life stress may be causally linked to weight gain, with a greater effect seen in men. Stress-induced eating may be one factor contributing to the development of obesity. Future studies that measure biological markers of stress will assist our understanding of the physiologic mechanism underlying the stress-eating relation and how stress might be linked to neurotransmitters and hormones that control appetite.

Inflammation, obesity, stress and coronary heart disease: is interleukin-6 the link?
Inflammation, obesity, stress and coronary heart disease: is interleukin-6 the link? - ScienceDirect
Abstract
Obesity is a chronic disease of multifactorial origin and can be defined as an increase in the accumulation of body fat. Adipose tissue is not only a triglyceride storage organ, but studies have shown the role of white adipose tissue as a producer of certain bioactive substances called adipokines. Among adipokines, we find some inflammatory functions, such as Interleukin-6 (IL-6); other adipokines entail the functions of regulating food intake, therefore exerting a direct effect on weight control. This is the case of leptin, which acts on the limbic system by stimulating dopamine uptake, creating a feeling of fullness. However, these adipokines induce the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), generating a process known as oxidative stress (OS). Because adipose tissue is the organ that secretes adipokines and these in turn generate ROS, adipose tissue is considered an independent factor for the generation of systemic OS. There are several mechanisms by which obesity produces OS. The first of these is the mitochondrial and peroxisomal oxidation of fatty acids, which can produce ROS in oxidation reactions, while another mechanism is over-consumption of oxygen, which generates free radicals in the mitochondrial respiratory chain that is found coupled with oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria. Lipid-rich diets are also capable of generating ROS because they can alter oxygen metabolism. Upon the increase of adipose tissue, the activity of antioxidant enzymes such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT), and glutathione peroxidase (GPx), was found to be significantly diminished. Finally, high ROS production and the decrease in antioxidant capacity leads to various abnormalities, among which we find endothelial dysfunction, which is characterized by a reduction in the bioavailability of vasodilators, particularly nitric oxide (NO), and an increase in endothelium-derived contractile factors, favoring atherosclerotic disease.


Inflammation, Oxidative Stress, and Obesity
Inflammation, Oxidative Stress, and Obesity

Abstract
Obesity is a chronic disease of multifactorial origin and can be defined as an increase in the accumulation of body fat. Adipose tissue is not only a triglyceride storage organ, but studies have shown the role of white adipose tissue as a producer of certain bioactive substances called adipokines. Among adipokines, we find some inflammatory functions, such as Interleukin-6 (IL-6); other adipokines entail the functions of regulating food intake, therefore exerting a direct effect on weight control. This is the case of leptin, which acts on the limbic system by stimulating dopamine uptake, creating a feeling of fullness. However, these adipokines induce the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), generating a process known as oxidative stress (OS). Because adipose tissue is the organ that secretes adipokines and these in turn generate ROS, adipose tissue is considered an independent factor for the generation of systemic OS. There are several mechanisms by which obesity produces OS. The first of these is the mitochondrial and peroxisomal oxidation of fatty acids, which can produce ROS in oxidation reactions, while another mechanism is over-consumption of oxygen, which generates free radicals in the mitochondrial respiratory chain that is found coupled with oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria. Lipid-rich diets are also capable of generating ROS because they can alter oxygen metabolism. Upon the increase of adipose tissue, the activity of antioxidant enzymes such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT), and glutathione peroxidase (GPx), was found to be significantly diminished. Finally, high ROS production and the decrease in antioxidant capacity leads to various abnormalities, among which we find endothelial dysfunction, which is characterized by a reduction in the bioavailability of vasodilators, particularly nitric oxide (NO), and an increase in endothelium-derived contractile factors, favoring atherosclerotic disease.


Do stress reactions cause abdominal obesity and comorbidities?
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Summary
‘Stress’ embraces the reaction to a multitude of poorly defined factors that disturb homeostasis or allostasis. In this overview, the activation of the hypothalamic‐pituitary‐adrenal (HPA) axis and the sympathetic nervous system have been utilized as objective measurements of stress reactions. Although long‐term activation of the sympathetic nervous system is followed by primary hypertension, consequences of similar activation of the HPA axis have not been clearly defined. The focus of this overview is to examine whether or not repeated activation of these two stress centres may be involved in the pathogenesis of abdominal obesity and its comorbidities. In population studies adrenal hormones show strong statistical associations to centralization of body fat as well as to obesity. There is considerable evidence from clinical to cellular and molecular studies that elevated cortisol, particularly when combined with secondary inhibition of sex steroids and growth hormone secretions, is causing accumulation of fat in visceral adipose tissues as well as metabolic abnormalities (The Metabolic Syndrome). Hypertension is probably due to a parallel activation of the central sympathetic nervous system. Depression and ‘the small baby syndrome’ as well as stress exposure in men and non‐human primates are followed with time by similar central and peripheral abnormalities. Glucocorticoid exposure is also followed by increased food intake and ‘leptin resistant’ obesity, perhaps disrupting the balance between leptin and neuropeptide Y to the advantage of the latter. The consequence might be ‘stress‐eating’, which, however, is a poorly defined entity. Factors activating the stress centres in humans include psychosocial and socioeconomic handicaps, depressive and anxiety traits, alcohol and smoking, with some differences in profile between personalities and genders. Polymorphisms have been defined in several genes associated with the cascade of events along the stress axes. Based on this evidence it is suggested that environmental, perinatal and genetic factors induce neuroendocrine perturbations followed by abdominal obesity with its associated comorbidities.
 
Relationship between stress, eating behavior, and obesity
Relationship between stress, eating behavior, and obesity - ScienceDirect

Abstract
Stress is thought to influence human eating behavior and has been examined in animal and human studies. Our understanding of the stress-eating relation is confounded by limitations inherent in the study designs; however, we can make some tentative conclusions that support the notion that stress can influence eating patterns in humans. Stress appears to alter overall food intake in two ways, resulting in under- or overeating, which may be influenced by stressor severity. Chronic life stress seems to be associated with a greater preference for energy- and nutrient-dense foods, namely those that are high in sugar and fat. Evidence from longitudinal studies suggests that chronic life stress may be causally linked to weight gain, with a greater effect seen in men. Stress-induced eating may be one factor contributing to the development of obesity. Future studies that measure biological markers of stress will assist our understanding of the physiologic mechanism underlying the stress-eating relation and how stress might be linked to neurotransmitters and hormones that control appetite.

Inflammation, obesity, stress and coronary heart disease: is interleukin-6 the link?
Inflammation, obesity, stress and coronary heart disease: is interleukin-6 the link? - ScienceDirect
Abstract
Obesity is a chronic disease of multifactorial origin and can be defined as an increase in the accumulation of body fat. Adipose tissue is not only a triglyceride storage organ, but studies have shown the role of white adipose tissue as a producer of certain bioactive substances called adipokines. Among adipokines, we find some inflammatory functions, such as Interleukin-6 (IL-6); other adipokines entail the functions of regulating food intake, therefore exerting a direct effect on weight control. This is the case of leptin, which acts on the limbic system by stimulating dopamine uptake, creating a feeling of fullness. However, these adipokines induce the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), generating a process known as oxidative stress (OS). Because adipose tissue is the organ that secretes adipokines and these in turn generate ROS, adipose tissue is considered an independent factor for the generation of systemic OS. There are several mechanisms by which obesity produces OS. The first of these is the mitochondrial and peroxisomal oxidation of fatty acids, which can produce ROS in oxidation reactions, while another mechanism is over-consumption of oxygen, which generates free radicals in the mitochondrial respiratory chain that is found coupled with oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria. Lipid-rich diets are also capable of generating ROS because they can alter oxygen metabolism. Upon the increase of adipose tissue, the activity of antioxidant enzymes such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT), and glutathione peroxidase (GPx), was found to be significantly diminished. Finally, high ROS production and the decrease in antioxidant capacity leads to various abnormalities, among which we find endothelial dysfunction, which is characterized by a reduction in the bioavailability of vasodilators, particularly nitric oxide (NO), and an increase in endothelium-derived contractile factors, favoring atherosclerotic disease.


Inflammation, Oxidative Stress, and Obesity
Inflammation, Oxidative Stress, and Obesity

Abstract
Obesity is a chronic disease of multifactorial origin and can be defined as an increase in the accumulation of body fat. Adipose tissue is not only a triglyceride storage organ, but studies have shown the role of white adipose tissue as a producer of certain bioactive substances called adipokines. Among adipokines, we find some inflammatory functions, such as Interleukin-6 (IL-6); other adipokines entail the functions of regulating food intake, therefore exerting a direct effect on weight control. This is the case of leptin, which acts on the limbic system by stimulating dopamine uptake, creating a feeling of fullness. However, these adipokines induce the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), generating a process known as oxidative stress (OS). Because adipose tissue is the organ that secretes adipokines and these in turn generate ROS, adipose tissue is considered an independent factor for the generation of systemic OS. There are several mechanisms by which obesity produces OS. The first of these is the mitochondrial and peroxisomal oxidation of fatty acids, which can produce ROS in oxidation reactions, while another mechanism is over-consumption of oxygen, which generates free radicals in the mitochondrial respiratory chain that is found coupled with oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria. Lipid-rich diets are also capable of generating ROS because they can alter oxygen metabolism. Upon the increase of adipose tissue, the activity of antioxidant enzymes such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT), and glutathione peroxidase (GPx), was found to be significantly diminished. Finally, high ROS production and the decrease in antioxidant capacity leads to various abnormalities, among which we find endothelial dysfunction, which is characterized by a reduction in the bioavailability of vasodilators, particularly nitric oxide (NO), and an increase in endothelium-derived contractile factors, favoring atherosclerotic disease.


Do stress reactions cause abdominal obesity and comorbidities?
Error - Cookies Turned Off
Summary
‘Stress’ embraces the reaction to a multitude of poorly defined factors that disturb homeostasis or allostasis. In this overview, the activation of the hypothalamic‐pituitary‐adrenal (HPA) axis and the sympathetic nervous system have been utilized as objective measurements of stress reactions. Although long‐term activation of the sympathetic nervous system is followed by primary hypertension, consequences of similar activation of the HPA axis have not been clearly defined. The focus of this overview is to examine whether or not repeated activation of these two stress centres may be involved in the pathogenesis of abdominal obesity and its comorbidities. In population studies adrenal hormones show strong statistical associations to centralization of body fat as well as to obesity. There is considerable evidence from clinical to cellular and molecular studies that elevated cortisol, particularly when combined with secondary inhibition of sex steroids and growth hormone secretions, is causing accumulation of fat in visceral adipose tissues as well as metabolic abnormalities (The Metabolic Syndrome). Hypertension is probably due to a parallel activation of the central sympathetic nervous system. Depression and ‘the small baby syndrome’ as well as stress exposure in men and non‐human primates are followed with time by similar central and peripheral abnormalities. Glucocorticoid exposure is also followed by increased food intake and ‘leptin resistant’ obesity, perhaps disrupting the balance between leptin and neuropeptide Y to the advantage of the latter. The consequence might be ‘stress‐eating’, which, however, is a poorly defined entity. Factors activating the stress centres in humans include psychosocial and socioeconomic handicaps, depressive and anxiety traits, alcohol and smoking, with some differences in profile between personalities and genders. Polymorphisms have been defined in several genes associated with the cascade of events along the stress axes. Based on this evidence it is suggested that environmental, perinatal and genetic factors induce neuroendocrine perturbations followed by abdominal obesity with its associated comorbidities.

Do you have a scientific study of why your father cheated on your mother several times?

I’m gonna take a wild guess, and say that it’s because she had the same “personality” as you do.

There, we don’t need a study now!

Oof
 
@RedRoseActual The questions may seem arbitrary but they are important, answer truthfully please, but is your room, house or apartment messy or is everything in its place?

Dental hygiene, when was the last time you went to the dentist? Do you brush twice a day?

Do you shower twice a day or once a day? Or do you skip certain days? Again, need honesty.
 
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Do you really think words can touch me? :-D

Lol no but stress I guess def can , u mention it so much . Tells me you’re a very weak minded person . Weak weak weak ppl stress , strong minded ppl plan and be proactive . Worrying and STRESSING does nothing for you . Plan , and execute .

Sworder = Stress prone weak minded human .

No carry on in your efficiency apartment with photos of your mom all over your walls .
 
Lol no but stress I guess def can , u mention it so much . Tells me you’re a very weak minded person . Weak weak weak ppl stress , strong minded ppl plan and be proactive . Worrying and STRESSING does nothing for you . Plan , and execute .

Sworder = Stress prone weak minded human .

No carry on in your efficiency apartment with photos of your mom all over your walls .
If I have stress problems? Absolutely! I don't "know" that do but I can tell in my behaviors. There is an invisible enemy in my brain that I am working on fighting!

Got any tips?
I am a work in-progress.
 
If I have stress problems? Absolutely! I don't "know" that do but I can tell in my behaviors. There is an invisible enemy in my brain that I am working on fighting!

Got any tips?
I am a work in-progress.
You also have mental problems that you can’t tell, but those unfortunately, you haven’t acknowledged, and that is the first step to get treatment, so I guess no treatment for your retarded ass.
 
I don't know why the DNP hate. OP didn't even mention wanting to take some stupid high life threatening dose.

IMHO, anyone who loses weight on DNP has earned it. DNP is brutal, after two weeks, I need a break at 300mg. Women, in the original studies took this for 300mg daily for 9 months and more.

I honestly don't know how they did it.
 
You also have mental problems that you can’t tell, but those unfortunately, you haven’t acknowledged, and that is the first step to get treatment, so I guess no treatment for your retarded ass.
@RedRoseActual
Genetic potential will refer to a couple things.

1. Genetic potential can refer to the type of muscle fibers you have, the way the muscle is situated on your tendons and ligaments.
2. Genetic potential can refer to the rate of growth a person experiences during a AAS cycle.
3. Genetic potential can refer to the levels of enzymes a person has and the distribution of them. You can think of this such as 5AR receptors, estrogen receptors et cetera.
4. Lastly, and this is what I think you were referring to, a "hormonal genetic limit." I.e. My balls can only produce X amount of testosterone to support this amount of muscle. And that is not only going to be determined by your balls but also all other environmental factors such as drugs, diet, sleep, stress and exercise. Heavy masturbation seems to have a negative effect on testosterone levels. @Jankauskas Maybe that's why your natty levels were so low? :)
 
I don't know why the DNP hate. OP didn't even mention wanting to take some stupid high life threatening dose.

IMHO, anyone who loses weight on DNP has earned it. DNP is brutal, after two weeks, I need a break at 300mg. Women, in the original studies took this for 300mg daily for 9 months and more.

I honestly don't know how they did it.


9 fucking months!?!?! HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! Well there goes my answer for how long you can run that shit. Apparently 9 months won’t kill you hahaha
 
DNP was widely used in explosive mixtures around the world. Shellite in UK, Tridite in US, Tridita in Spain, MDPC/DD in France, MABT/MBT in Italy, DNP in USSR.

During WW1, 36 munition factory workers in France and 27 in US lost their lives through DNP poisoning.

Three fatalities were reported in dyes factories, where DNP was used to make sulphur black dye.

DNP was used extensively in diet pills from 1933 to 1938 after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on how the compound substantially increased metabolic rate. This effect occurs via DNP acting as a proton ionophore. After only its first year on the market, Tainter estimated that at least 100,000 people had been treated with DNP in the United States, in addition to many others abroad.

In light of the adverse effects and fatal hyperthermia caused by DNP when it was used clinically, the dose was slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly. Concerns about dangerous side-effects and rapidly developing cataracts resulted in DNP being discontinued in the United States by the end of 1938.

"In studies of intermediate-duration oral exposure to 2,4-DNP, cases of death from agranulocytosis (described in the discussion of Hematological Effects) have been attributed to 2,4-DNP. These cases occurred during the usual dosing regimens for weight loss, employing increasing doses in one case from 2.9 to 4.3 mg/kg/day of 2,4-DNP for 6 weeks (Dameshek and Gargill 1934); a dose of 1.03 mg/kg/day 2,4-DNP for 46 days in another case (Goldman and Haber 1936); and in another, from 0.62 to 3.8 mg/kg/day 2,4-DNP as sodium 2,4-DNP for 41 days (Silver 1934). In all cases, the patients were under medical supervision."

DNP, however, continues to be used by some bodybuilders and athletes to rapidly lose body fat. Fatal overdoses include cases of accidental exposure, suicide, and excessive intentional exposure (overdose). The substance's use as a dieting aid has also led to a number of accidental fatalities, including 26 confirmed DNP-related deaths in UK since 2007. Annual Reports of the American Association of Poison Control Centers identifies 15 DNP poisoning fatalities between 2013 and 2017 in US. Swedish Poisons Information Centre has reported three fatal DNP cases between June 2012 and May 2013. “Forensic analysis of DNP is not routinely performed so the true number of DNP deaths may be higher.” DNP may not be detected in post mortem blood samples.

In 2003, a vendor of DNP was sentenced to prison for mail fraud, with the FDA's OCI investigators having gathered evidence that the vendor's encapsulation of DNP was neither accurate nor sanitary. In 2018, a seller in United Kingdom was convicted of manslaughter for selling DNP as "fatburner" for human consumption. In 2019, a company selling DNP in the UK was found "guilty of placing an unsafe food product on to the market" and fined £100,000. Director of the company was given suspended prison sentence. The seller in California was sentenced to three years in prison for selling DNP as a diet pills.
 
@RedRoseActual
Genetic potential will refer to a couple things.

1. Genetic potential can refer to the type of muscle fibers you have, the way the muscle is situated on your tendons and ligaments.
2. Genetic potential can refer to the rate of growth a person experiences during a AAS cycle.
3. Genetic potential can refer to the levels of enzymes a person has and the distribution of them. You can think of this such as 5AR receptors, estrogen receptors et cetera.
4. Lastly, and this is what I think you were referring to, a "hormonal genetic limit." I.e. My balls can only produce X amount of testosterone to support this amount of muscle. And that is not only going to be determined by your balls but also all other environmental factors such as drugs, diet, sleep, stress and exercise. Heavy masturbation seems to have a negative effect on testosterone levels. @Jankauskas Maybe that's why your natty levels were so low? :)
Didn’t know masturbation had a negative effect on test, is that another wonder study that you pulled out of your ass? Maybe you should flock to Wikipedia and try to half ass interpret the abstract for half an hour and then then post your findings here to sound smart.

Fortunately for me, I never needed to masturbate much because I always had women to have sex with, something that is a foreign concept to you, because of your social ineptitude and your pathetic personality.

And when you did find one woman, she cheated on you the whole time, what a bummer isn’t it?

But wait, didn’t your father cheat on your mother too? Shit, I guess there’s a pattern here, maybe it’s because she was such a pathetic bitch with a shit personality aswell, and you were destined to be a failure from the start just like her.
 
Didn’t know masturbation had a negative effect on test, is that another wonder study that you pulled out of your ass? Maybe you should flock to Wikipedia and try to half ass interpret the abstract for half an hour and then then post your findings here to sound smart.

Fortunately for me, I never needed to masturbate much because I always had women to have sex with, something that is a foreign concept to you, because of your social ineptitude and your pathetic personality.

And when you did find one woman, she cheated on you the whole time, what a bummer isn’t it?

But wait, didn’t your father cheat on your mother too? Shit, I guess there’s a pattern here, maybe it’s because she was such a pathetic bitch with a shit personality aswell, and you were destined to be a failure from the start just like her.
How is my favorite puppet doing today? Full of rage I hope?
 
How is my favorite puppet doing today? Full of rage I hope?
I don’t know, but how is my favourite cuck doing today?

Did you watch some cucckold videos before you went off to your shitty sales job? Or were you fired for being a pervert with co workers again?

I bet that you are just like Dwight from The Office, the only difference is that you are just more social inept and pathetic, and he could actually pull some decent pussy to fuck in his free time, instead of coming to an Internet forum full of muscular men to bitch like you do.
 
I don’t know, but how is my favourite cuck doing today?

Did you watch some cucckold videos before you went off to your shitty sales job? Or were you fired for being a pervert with co workers again?

I bet that you are just like Dwight from The Office, the only difference is that you are just more social inept and pathetic, and he could actually pull some decent pussy to fuck in his free time, instead of coming to an Internet forum full of muscular men to bitch like you do.
I hope you can ignore sworder and his jabs. You're falling right into his game, he only wants to get you worked up. The way to beat him is to ignore his posts.
 
I hope you can ignore sworder and his jabs. You're falling right into his game, he only wants to get you worked up. The way to beat him is to ignore his posts.
He’s not getting me worked up, I’m not mad, and I’m not playing into his game.

I’m just bullying him, and if you think he enjoys being bullied, then you are very wrong.

He’s been bullied all his life, and this was the only place he could bully others without getting his face smashed in, but now, even here he gets bullied.

I got this pathetic fuck figured out, he’s not having fun anymore.
 
@Millard I seriously believe you need to take a good look at @Sworder posts and decide if his flagrant disrespect for other members of this community, as well as the intended purpose of Meso itself, should continue to be allowed. This thread is a perfect example of a well intentioned member attempting to get some advice on something that he is unsure of. Then as soon as @Sworder enters a thread, it becomes a shit slinging fest instigated by @Sworder. He has even admitted repeatedly that he is here to purposely get under people’s skin. His purpose here in Meso is about as far from harm reduction as cdnguy was. His presence serves no positive purpose for the community and gives Meso a horrible overall look to an outsider just venturing in. I inquire you to please look into his posts and make your own determination about his incessant trolling that he self admittedly refuses to stop. Thank You
 
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