So im dieting with tren and i wanna use trens muscle preserve/gain muscle on a diet effect during this cut. Since dnp f**ks up any chance of buidling muscle, im wondering if i should add dnp in at the beginning or towards the end, since it would ruin the building muscle tissue part..does anyone know how long it would take until one can build lean tissue again after cessation of the dnp? And by building muscle tissue during a cut, im talking about the rebound effect from going from a cruise to a test tren blast..
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Dnp to kickstart diet or at end of diet?
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Eman
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Tren is one of the best cutting compounds in an AAS user's arsenal, why would you not use it while cutting?
Eman answered it. I can honestly say I even added more strength on tren when on a clean low calorie diet than when i used tren to bulk. I cant tell you why but it just happened and for me tren will only be used in cutting anymore.
Eman
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Also, I would definitely not suggest using tren and DNP simultaneously. In addition, unless you have a good reason to use DNP, I would opt to just stick with the tren...
I would have started with it and then went to tren... Since you already are on the tren I would abandon the idea.
mjf
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I'm probably going to misquote who said this, but I think @Wunderpus mentioned something about thinking tren and dnp would work great together. I'm with you though on not needing to use dnp unless you're a competing athlete who really needs it or an experienced veteran.
Eman
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Yes, WP and I spoke about that before... I don't think he ever did it though.
Tren and DNP can both make you hot.. it's not wise or necessary to combine them unless you're an advanced user that knows how you react.
As far as DNP use, I was moreso referring to not using it if you just want to cut a few lbs. If you can get to where you want to be without it, then do that.
fodsod
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If you're going to use DNP then use it first to kick off the diet. I use it at times to kick off show prep. Using it at the end is less optimal since DNP shines when you're BF% is above single digits (beginning of your diet).
DNP is dosage based so don't think that just because you're running it that everything just stops working and it burns everything. You can still add fat using DNP if you over eat. Unless you're running a high dose of DNP you only partially burn off fat/calories.
My point is that DNP's total effectiveness is based on the dose. You run 200mg ED for 30 days you can still build muscle if your macros are dialed in and you'll burn some fat if you're at maintenance or a slight deficit. The higher the dose the more you burn and the more you lose the ability to add muscle while at that dose.
The best approach is to run a trt/low level dose of AAS (including tren) to have it in your system for when the DNP clears then up the dose. As far as the DNP dose I'd recommend using the lowest dose possible that's effective for you.
Losing fat, even on DNP is still a long term approach so you're better off at 400 mg ed for 3 weeks than 600mgs ed for 2 weeks or 800 mgs ed for 1 week, ect.....
DNP is dosage based so don't think that just because you're running it that everything just stops working and it burns everything. You can still add fat using DNP if you over eat. Unless you're running a high dose of DNP you only partially burn off fat/calories.
My point is that DNP's total effectiveness is based on the dose. You run 200mg ED for 30 days you can still build muscle if your macros are dialed in and you'll burn some fat if you're at maintenance or a slight deficit. The higher the dose the more you burn and the more you lose the ability to add muscle while at that dose.
The best approach is to run a trt/low level dose of AAS (including tren) to have it in your system for when the DNP clears then up the dose. As far as the DNP dose I'd recommend using the lowest dose possible that's effective for you.
Losing fat, even on DNP is still a long term approach so you're better off at 400 mg ed for 3 weeks than 600mgs ed for 2 weeks or 800 mgs ed for 1 week, ect.....
Test_Subject
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Unless you're competing, I don't see any reason to ever use DNP.
Why put that shit in your body just to look good on the beach? Something like albuterol, while not as effective, isn't going to make you feel like hot garbage.
Why put that shit in your body just to look good on the beach? Something like albuterol, while not as effective, isn't going to make you feel like hot garbage.
Eman
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The side effects from DNP are LARGELY exaggerated... And often parroted in an even more exaggerated manner by individuals that have never even taken it. Most would, and should, tolerate it quite well if everything is dialed in correctly.
I know multiple people right off the top of my head that feel much more comfortable on DNP than they do on clen or albuterol.
Never used albuterol but I LOATHE clen. I will never use it again. Love me some neon colored nut shots all over the girl
Eman
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Never used albuterol but I LOATHE clen. I will never use it again. Love me some neon colored nut shots all over the girl
I'm really not big on clen either, I generally don't feel the best on it... But, it's important to start low and slowly build up and every time I didn't feel well was when I took too much. I've really been wanting to give it another try the right way but honestly, I really like ephedrine... I'll most likely stick with that.
I've never produced neon ropes...
But, it's not for a lack of trying.
Test_Subject
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I'm really not big on clen either, I generally don't feel the best on it... But, it's important to start low and slowly build up and every time I didn't feel well was when I took too much. I've really been wanting to give it another try the right way but honestly, I really like ephedrine... I'll most likely stick with that.
I've never produced neon ropes...
But, it's not for a lack of trying.
Albuterol is way nicer to run than clen. You can actually sleep on it because of the shorter half life.
I'm not a fan of clen, either. It just makes me feel "tweaky" and makes sleeping harder than tren does.
Eman
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I've taken albuterol also and I agree, it wasn't bad. It was actually pleasant to take first thing in the AM with some coffee and I definitely felt stronger using it before the gym - it's reported to benefit strength. I haven't taken it in a long time though...
Albuterol doesn't bind to the beta receptors as strongly as clenbuterol does though - so the actual increase of metabolic rate is less than clen, and clen alone produces really a pretty low increase in metabolic rate. Typical estimates for clen + T3 are around 11%. I've had trouble getting into more detailed info on that but that seems to be a number that pops up regularly.
For fun, if you compare that to a single 100mg dose of DNP (powder) you will see an average of 15% increase in metabolic rate... And that's 100mg, cycles are usually 400-500. Crazy!
For me, after several weeks of DNP at about 500mg to 600mg per day, it took a full month before I couldn't feel it, or see it in various fluids. I could work out well after a few weeks but back to normal was a full month.
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