Do people use too much gear than necessary?

[jankoch]

Yeah, good point. This seems like a question to either troll or pass judgement. Why care what anyone else does if it has no effect on you?

Last time I checked this was a harm reduction forum.
This topic fits right into that. Some people read these and maybe start reevaluating dosages or at least have the thought planted. Other side is spewing its belief, like 'primo starts to shine 600+', 'EQ is worthless under 800 mg weekly', '500mg test have same side as 1.5g'.

People shouldnt be so insecure.
'ohh no somebody thinks I am using too much gear bruhuhu'

For me its literally not understandable how people can function on 2g+ gear a day. Brain function? That amount of gear is neurotoxic and people might not even notice it as it doesnt happen overnight. Not like from a 12 week cycle you are a slurring mess, but slowly, every year your intelligence diminish a bit.
Sweating? I don't work in a 9:5 job either, but I can't imagine going to meetings as a sweaty mess with veins popping on the forehead, being gassed out by walking up on the stairs. Or even doing any reasonable work sitting at the computer bc of the same issues.
Pumps? After a certain point your muscles are so tight it will have a toll on your joints, ligaments and muscles itself. Muscles have certain lenghts when some shit contracts wildly all the time and are not at their correct lenghts can lead to injury and pain.
Sleep? etcetc

I totally can understand that for some people it worth the price tho, and if they don't underestimate the risks its 100% fine to take this route.

 

[eery]

Yes. Better be safe than sorry

 

[Liter O' Test]

When I first started , no one cared if you "took too much", and if you took a lot, then people would be like "hes gonna get huge good for him!". Or just ask you about how its going, you know, normal dude stuff.
No one was like trying to shame you over some assumed cholesterol value or something like there is nowadays. "bro watch out for that guy i heard he took tren for 2 months, his HDL must be loww"
That would be like some *""fruity"""* type stuff. No one even got bloodwork.

"bro we need to have a talk, i made a note in my phone when we were doing cable flyes that one day, that you told me you started taking anadrol on July 3rd... well today is August 4th. youve been on 17aa oral for more than 1 month, I'm worried about you, we all are, thats why we brought everyone here today, your whole family, your boss, your 6th grade teacher,...
.No please don't leave yet!.. please calm down...
we've got Greg Doucette on the phone , he wants to talk to you...."

honestly though, no one is posting bloodwork and no one is telling people to get bloodwork, I get bloodwork monthly, basically too often, I think a lot of people who think everyone who runs more than them is unhealthy, doesnt actually get bloodwork themselves

 

[mr_meanor]

More drugs EQUALS more size. Period.

Disagree with that blanket statement. Period

 

[Pizzaslice01]

I certainly did at a certain point. 1G of tren a week for a sustained period of time absolutely made me lost IQ points in real time.

 

[narta]

Disagree with that blanket statement. Period

You can do as you wish.

The fact is, if a person takes more drugs, all other variables remaining the same, he will put more mass.

 

[explodingHeart]

You can do as you wish.

The fact is, if a person takes more drugs, all other variables remaining the same, he will put more mass.

Yup.

And those "low dose" evangelists are liars. They built the majority of their mass on high doses. Then they have a health scare or need views on social media, so then they become low dose guys.

 

[crtx]

more drugs require the food people too scared to eat but happy to hit 3mls daily.

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

honestly though, no one is posting bloodwork and no one is telling people to get bloodwork, I get bloodwork monthly, basically too often, I think a lot of people who think everyone who runs more than them is unhealthy, doesnt actually get bloodwork themselves

I post blood work, i do blood work nearly every 4-6 weeks when stateside, and i preach to every person i know that dabbles in gear to get blood work religously.

Me personally, i never used more than 300mg test and 250mg NPP. I have since kept my NPP cycles at 150mg to stop night sweats and limit anxiety. My strength goes through the roof at week 2-3 with 150mg/NPP.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I post blood work, i do blood work nearly every 4-6 weeks when stateside, and i preach to every person i know that dabbles in gear to get blood work religously.

Me personally, i never used more than 300mg test and 250mg NPP. I have since kept my NPP cycles at 150mg to stop night sweats and limit anxiety. My strength goes through the roof at week 2-3 with 150mg/NPP.

in what way have you seen 150mg-250mg NPP affect your bloodwork?

 

[Thegodofwar]

Do you think people use more gear than necessary to achieve their goals? A lot have the idea that more drugs equal more size.

Bro we have our lives day to day proded by government and LE and our boss and our partners. We have one last vestige of happiness at whatever dosage we want high or low long or short duration let us all just be happy and not have to explain ourselves for one thing in our lives so we can just be fuking happy. Who cares let’s just not judge and be supportive of one another
High five if you wanna take 5 grams high five if you wanna take 200mgs
It doesn’t matter whatever makes you fucking happy !

 

[Slowww]

I don’t care why other people do it, I’m just thinking of myself the amount of sides I get when trying to push house dosages. I don’t understand how some people can push the envelope and function when running 500mg test/tren/mast. Just an example.

For a lot of people this is not considered pushing the envelope and is pretty tolerable. Minus the tren that amount of gear shouldn’t have huge detrimental side effects. I’m running something similar but a bit less and without tren now, while using eq instead. It’s pretty basic and blood work is totally normal. Even using up to 900mg eq I don’t see any negative sides or bad blood work. at the same time some guys take 300 eq and their RBC is totally ruined. People have different genes for tolerance and can handle some stacks better than others.

That 600 comes from one study nothing else. I believe over time body adapts to higher Testosterone dosages and side effects lessen or dissappear (my experience as an example). Not sure about other anabolics.

I also think the 600 max is incorrect… 1g vs 600 is a huge difference. I haven’t seen diminishing returns at 750 either vs 500… just better results

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

in what way have you seen 150mg-250mg NPP affect your bloodwork?

Very minimal.... BP was the biggest issue but now I am on BP meds and cholesterol meds.

 

[borkies]

Yes we do.


More drugs EQUALS more size. Period. Does it worth it? Debatable.

Nah.

I started my last blast 9 weeks ago, and by last blast I also mean this will be my last blast. Running 600 test, 400 deca, 300 mast. Scale has not moved one single pound. Same gear I've always run from the same batches of raws. Same training intensity and programming as other previous successful blasts.

Why? I'm getting too old for this shit. I can't eat like that anymore. I certainly train hard, but I just cannot get the food down like I used to. Some days I do succeed, then I end up shitting my brains out.

What's it like blasting 1.3 grams of gear and the scale not moving? It sucks. I feel like shit. I feel old. My body is worn out.

If you can't get the food in, no amount of drugs will put size on you. You can't build a house without materials. I'll be dropping back to cruise, maintaining my size and learning to be happy with what I've built.

 

[ackmack78]

Nah.

I started my last blast 9 weeks ago, and by last blast I also mean this will be my last blast. Running 600 test, 400 deca, 300 mast. Scale has not moved one single pound. Same gear I've always run from the same batches of raws. Same training intensity and programming as other previous successful blasts.

Why? I'm getting too old for this shit. I can't eat like that anymore. I certainly train hard, but I just cannot get the food down like I used to. Some days I do succeed, then I end up shitting my brains out.

What's it like blasting 1.3 grams of gear and the scale not moving? It sucks. I feel like shit. I feel old. My body is worn out.

If you can't get the food in, no amount of drugs will put size on you. You can't build a house without materials. I'll be dropping back to cruise, maintaining my size and learning to be happy with what I've built.

Sounds like you've been at this a while, what kind of size have you managed to achieve? And Im not trying to be an ass, just curious.
How much food do you need now to grow?

 

[phenominal34]

Nah.

I started my last blast 9 weeks ago, and by last blast I also mean this will be my last blast. Running 600 test, 400 deca, 300 mast. Scale has not moved one single pound. Same gear I've always run from the same batches of raws. Same training intensity and programming as other previous successful blasts.

Why? I'm getting too old for this shit. I can't eat like that anymore. I certainly train hard, but I just cannot get the food down like I used to. Some days I do succeed, then I end up shitting my brains out.

What's it like blasting 1.3 grams of gear and the scale not moving? It sucks. I feel like shit. I feel old. My body is worn out.

If you can't get the food in, no amount of drugs will put size on you. You can't build a house without materials. I'll be dropping back to cruise, maintaining my size and learning to be happy with what I've built.

Age ? And well said

 

[Millard]

Do you think people use more gear than necessary to achieve their goals?

Yes.

 

[Millard]

Why do you care?

Yeah, good point. This seems like a question to either troll or pass judgement. Why care what anyone else does if it has no effect on you?

Harm reduction.

Why use more than you need to obtain the same results?

 

[UncleBuns]

Yes.

It's a lot easier but less effective to lean on drugs to try and achieve goals. The harder but most effective methods of improving training techniques/methods, honing short, medium, and long term training cycles, nutrition improvement, sleep/recovery improvement, etc take a lot more thought, motivation, and dedication. Focusing mainly on the non drug improvements is often much more effective.

Adding more drugs to an overall flawed system gets your more side effects and poor health effects but not much improvement. On the flip side, someone who is very dialed in on all the important foundational things may need to increase drug use to reach a goal.

They are very impressive guys here who's drug use is lower than the mg's commonly talked about. People will say they're lying but I don't think they are. I think they're just way better and more dialed in on all the foundational aspects and have better genetics on top of that.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The fact is, if a person takes more drugs, all other variables remaining the same, he will put more mass.

There has to be a saturation point, right? Imagine some guy who is huge but plateaued on 9 grams of gear. Maintaining a freakish body size but stopped gaining.

You think 10 grams is gonna lead to more growth?

*disclaimer: I think the saturation point is much lower than 10 grams for a bodybuilder of any size. Achieving freak status is based on other things too (genetics, unknown factors, etc. [all other variables remaining the same]). Imo.