Does meal timing matter?

Show me one proper study that says that protein timing dosent matter for bodybuilding purposes.
The whole "everyone's different" blah blah bullshit dosent cut it. Sure there might be some weird case of someone that is different but that's an anecdote and dosent affect the general pattern that we all perform better following a certain system/diet
 
Show me one proper study that says that protein timing dosent matter for bodybuilding purposes.
The whole "everyone's different" blah blah bullshit dosent cut it. Sure there might be some weird case of someone that is different but that's an anecdote and dosent affect the general pattern that we all perform better following a certain system/diet

You don't get it do you?

How can there be literally hundreds of thousand and even millions of success stories from IF, DCA, Warrior, etc diet followers if what you're trying to assert is true? There can't be. Don't be dense and just accept the fact that the general pattern you think exists doesn't.

Anyway, you asked for one....here it is:

Protein timing is a popular dietary strategy designed to optimize the adaptive response to exercise. The strategy nvolves consuming protein in and around a training session in an effort to facilitate muscular repair and remodeling, and thereby enhance post-exercise strength- and hypertrophy-related adaptations. Despite the apparent biological plausibility of the strategy, however, the effectiveness of protein timing in chronic training studies has been decidedly mixed.

While some studies have shown that consumption of protein in the peri-workout period promotes increases in muscle Despite the apparent biological plausibility of the strategy, the effectiveness of protein timing in chronic training studies has been decidedly mixed. While some studies have shown that consumption of protein in the peri-workout period promotes increases in muscle strength and/or hypertrophy [16-19], others have not [20-22]. In a review of literature, Aragon and Schoenfeld [23] concluded that there is a lack of evidence to support a narrow “anabolic window of opportunity” whereby protein need to be consumed in immediate proximity to the exercise bout to maximize muscular adaptations. However, these conclusions were at least in part a reflection of methodological issues in the current research. One issue in particular is that studies to date have employed small sample sizes. Thus, it is possible that null findings may be attributable to these studies being underpowered, resulting in a type II error. In addition, various confounders including the amount of EAA supplementation, matching of protein intake, training status, and variations in age and gender between studies make it difficult to draw definitive conclusions on the topic. Thus, by increasing statistical power and controlling for confounding variables, a meta-analysis may help to provide clarity as to whether protein timing confers potential benefits in post-exercise skeletal muscle adaptations.


From the same study:

Only randomized controlled trials or randomized crossover trials involving protein timing were considered for inclusion. Protein timing was defined here as a study where at least one treatment group consumed a minimum of 6 g essential amino acids (EAAs) ≤ 1 hour pre- and/or post-resistance exercise and at least one control group did not consume protein < 2 hours pre- and/or post-resistance exercise. Resistance training protocols had to span at least 6 weeks and Only randomized controlled trials or randomized crossover trials involving protein timing were considered for inclusion. Protein timing was defined here as a study where at least one treatment group consumed a minimum of 6 g essential amino acids (EAAs) ≤ 1 hour pre- and/or post-resistance exercise and at least one control group did not consume protein < 2 hours pre- and/or post-resistance exercise. Resistance training protocols had to span at least 6 weeks and directly measure dynamic muscle strength and/or hypertrophy as a primary outcome variable. There were no restrictions for age, gender, training status, or matching of protein intake, but these variables were controlled via subgroup analysis using meta-regression.

More from the study:

Reduced model: hypertrophy
After the model reduction procedure, total protein intake, study duration, and blinding remained as significant covariates. The reduced model was not significantly different from the full model (P = 0.87). In the reduced model, there was no significant difference between the treatment and control (difference = 0.14 ± 0.11; CI: -0.07, 0.35; P = 0.20). The mean ES for control was 0.36 ± 0.09 (CI: 0.18, 0.53). The mean ES for treatment was 0.49 ± 0.08 (CI: 0.33, 0.66). Total protein intake (in g/kg) was the strongest predictor of ES magnitude (estimate = 0.41 ± 0.14; CI: 0.14, 0.69; P = 0.004). To confirm that total protein intake was mediator variable in the relationship between protein timing and hypertrophy, a model with only total protein intake as a covariate was created. The difference between treatment and control was not significant (difference = 0.14 ± 0.11; CI: -0.07, 0.35,; P = 0.19). Total protein intake was a significant predictor of ES magnitude (estimate = 0.39 ± 0.15; CI: 0.08, 0.69; P = 0.01). Figure 3 shows the total protein intake-adjusted ES’s for each study, as well as the overall effect from the meta-regression with only
total protein intake as a covariate.

Hypertrophy sub-analyses
Separating the hypertrophy analysis into CSA or FFM did not materially alter the outcomes. For FFM, there was no significant difference between treatment and control (difference = 0.08 ± 0.07; CI: -0.07, 0.24; P = 0.27). Total protein intake remained a strong predictor of ES magnitude (estimate = 0.39 ± 0.07; CI: 0.25, 0.53; P < 0.001). For CSA, there was no significant difference between treatment and control (difference = 0.14 ± 0.16; CI: -0.17, 0.46; P = 0.37). Total protein intake was again a predictor of ES magnitude (estimate = 0.55 ± 0.24; CI: 0.08, 1.20; P = 0.02).

Discussion
This is the first meta-analysis to directly investigate the effects of protein timing on strength and hypertrophic adaptations following long-term resistance training protocols. The study produced several novel findings. A simple pooled analysis of protein timing without controlling for covariates showed a significant effect on muscle hypertrophy (ES = 0.24 ± 0.10) with no significant effect found on muscle strength. It is generally accepted that an effect size of 0.2 is small, 0.5 is moderate, and 0.8 and above is a large, indicating that the effect of protein timing on gains in lean body mass were small to moderate. However, an expanded regression analysis found that any positive effects associated with protein timing on muscle protein accretion disappeared after controlling for covariates. Moreover, sub-analysis showed that discrepancies in total protein intake explained the majority of hypertrophic differences noted in timing studies. When taken together, these results would seem to refute the commonly held belief that the timing of protein intake in the immediate pre- and post-workout period is critical to muscular adaptations [3-5].

Practical applications
In conclusion, current evidence does not appear to support the claim that immediate (≤ 1 hour) consumption of protein pre- and/or post-workout significantly enhances strength- or hypertrophic-related adaptations to resistance exercise. The results of this meta-analysis indicate that if a peri-workout anabolic window of opportunity does in fact exist, the window for protein consumption would appear to be greater than one-hour before and after a resistance training session. Any positive effects noted in timing studies were found to be due to an increased protein intake rather than the temporal aspects of consumption, but a lack of matched studies makes it difficult to draw firm conclusions in this regard. The fact that protein consumption in non-supplemented subjects was below generally recommended intake for those involved in resistance training lends credence to this finding.

The effect of protein timing on muscle strength and hypertrophy: a meta-analysis
 
Study number 2:

Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2009 Apr;19(2):172-85.
Effect of protein-supplement timing on strength, power, and body-composition changes in resistance-trained men.
Hoffman JR1, Ratamess NA, Tranchina CP, Rashti SL, Kang J, Faigenbaum AD.
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Abstract
The effect of 10 wk of protein-supplement timing on strength, power, and body composition was examined in 33 resistance-trained men. Participants were randomly assigned to a protein supplement either provided in the morning and evening (n = 13) or provided immediately before and immediately after workouts (n = 13). In addition, 7 participants agreed to serve as a control group and did not use any protein or other nutritional supplement. During each testing session participants were assessed for strength (one-repetition-maximum [1RM] bench press and squat), power (5 repetitions performed at 80% of 1RM in both the bench press and the squat), and body composition. A significant main effect for all 3 groups in strength improvement was seen in 1RM bench press (120.6 +/- 20.5 kg vs. 125.4 +/- 16.7 at Week 0 and Week 10 testing, respectively) and 1RM squat (154.5 +/- 28.4 kg vs. 169.0 +/- 25.5 at Week 0 and Week 10 testing, respectively). However, no significant between-groups interactions were seen in 1RM squat or 1RM bench press. Significant main effects were also seen in both upper and lower body peak and mean power, but no significant differences were seen between groups. No changes in body mass or percent body fat were seen in any of the groups. Results indicate that the time of protein-supplement ingestion in resistance-trained athletes during a 10-wk training program does not provide any added benefit to strength, power, or body-composition changes.

PMID: 19478342
 
Study number 3:

Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Feb;89(2):608-16. doi: 10.3945/ajcn.2008.26626. Epub 2008 Dec 23.
Protein supplementation before and after exercise does not further augment skeletal muscle hypertrophy after resistance training in elderly men.
Verdijk LB1, Jonkers RA, Gleeson BG, Beelen M, Meijer K, Savelberg HH, Wodzig WK, Dendale P, van Loon LJ.
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Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Considerable discrepancy exists in the literature on the proposed benefits of protein supplementation on the adaptive response of skeletal muscle to resistance-type exercise training in the elderly.

OBJECTIVE:
The objective was to assess the benefits of timed protein supplementation on the increase in muscle mass and strength during prolonged resistance-type exercise training in healthy elderly men who habitually consume adequate amounts of dietary protein.

DESIGN:
Healthy elderly men (n = 26) aged 72 +/- 2 y were randomly assigned to a progressive, 12-wk resistance-type exercise training program with (protein group) or without (placebo group) protein provided before and immediately after each exercise session (3 sessions/wk, 20 g protein/session). One-repetition maximum (1RM) tests were performed regularly to ensure a progressive workload during the intervention. Muscle hypertrophy was assessed at the whole-body (dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry), limb (computed tomography), and muscle fiber (biopsy) level.

RESULTS:
The 1RM strength increased approximately 25-35% in both groups (P < 0.001). Dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry and computed tomography scans showed similar increases in leg muscle mass (6 +/- 1% in both groups; P < 0.001) and in the quadriceps (9 +/- 1% in both groups), from 75.9 +/- 3.7 and 73.8 +/- 3.2 to 82.4 +/- 3.9 and 80.0 +/- 3.0 cm2 in the placebo and protein groups, respectively (P < 0.001). Muscle fiber hypertrophy was greater in type II (placebo: 28 +/- 6%; protein: 29 +/- 4%) than in type I (placebo: 5 +/- 4%; protein: 13 +/- 6%) fibers, but the difference between groups was not significant.

CONCLUSION:
Timed protein supplementation immediately before and after exercise does not further augment the increase in skeletal muscle mass and strength after prolonged resistance-type exercise training in healthy elderly men who habitually consume adequate amounts of dietary protein. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00744094.

PMID: 19106243

DOI: 10.3945/ajcn.2008.26626
 
Study number 4:

Diabetes Obes Metab. 2010 Dec;12(12):1097-105. doi: 10.1111/j.1463-1326.2010.01307.x.
Timing of protein ingestion relative to resistance exercise training does not influence body composition, energy expenditure, glycaemic control or cardiometabolic risk factors in a hypocaloric, high protein diet in patients with type 2 diabetes.
Wycherley TP1, Noakes M, Clifton PM, Cleanthous X, Keogh JB, Brinkworth GD.
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Abstract
AIM:
To investigate timing of protein ingestion relative to resistance exercise training (RT) on body composition, cardiometabolic risk factors, glycaemic control and resting energy expenditure (REE) during weight loss on a high-protein (HP) diet in overweight and obese patients with type 2 diabetes (T2DM).

METHODS:
Thirty-four men/women with T2DM (age 57 ± 7 years and body mass index 34.9 ± 4.2 kg m(-2) ) were randomly assigned to the ingestion of a HP meal (860 kJ, 21 g protein, 0.7 g fat, 29.6 g carbohydrate) either immediately prior to RT or at least 2 h following RT. All participants followed a 16-week, energy-restricted (6-7 MJ day(-1) ), HP diet (carbohydrate : protein : fat 43 : 33 : 22) and participated in supervised RT (3 day week(-1) ). Outcomes were assessed pre- and postintervention at 16 weeks.

RESULTS:
There was an overall reduction in bodyweight (-11.9 ± 6.1 kg), fat mass (-10.0 ± 4.4 kg), fat-free mass (-1.9 ± 3.1 kg), waist circumference (-12.1 ± 5.3 cm), REE (-742 ± 624 kJ day(-1) ), glucose (-1.9 ± 1.7 mmol l(-1) ), insulin (-6.1 ± 6.7 mU l(-1) ) and glycosylated haemoglobin (-1.1 ± 0.1%), p ≤ 0.01 time for all variables, with no difference between groups (p ≥ 0.41 group effect). Strength improved and cardiometabolic risk factors were reduced similarly in both groups; single repetition maximum chest press 11.0 ± 8.7 kg, single repetition maximum lat pull down 9.9 ± 6.0 kg, total cholesterol -0.6 ± 0.5 mmol l(-1) , high-density lipoprotein cholesterol -0.1 ± 0.2 mmol l(-1) , low-density lipoprotein cholesterol -0.3 ± 0.5 mmol l(-1) , triglycerides -0.6 ± 0.7 mmol l(-1) , blood pressure (systolic/diastolic) -13 ± 10/-7 ± 7 mmHg (p ≤ 0.04 time effect, p ≥ 0.24 group effect).

CONCLUSION:
A HP, energy-restricted diet with RT was effective in improving glycaemic control, body composition, strength and cardiometabolic risk factors in overweight/obese patients with T2DM irrespective of altering the timing of protein ingestion relative to RT.

© 2010 CSIRO Food and Nutritional Sciences.

PMID: 20977582

DOI: 10.1111/j.1463-1326.2010.01307.x
 
The articles written by dr Scott Stevenson are top notch. Covering nutrition training and supplementation. He frequently works with John meadows and has done several podcasts over the years. He's very well researched and always quotes sources. His ebook on fortitude training covers most if not all of this material being discussed. Probably helps that he is also a competitive body builder. Trains David Henry for many years too.
 
Looks like I'm a lot smarter than most of the "nutritionists" and "scientists" in those studies
Mirin

If it helps you sleep at night you're also the most interesting man in the world, you have the greatest physique ever achieved by a mammalian species, you drive a $300,000 car, and you are Superman's mentor :rolleyes:

......but since we live in reality, you're really just someone who doesn't know any better and I pity you.
 
I dont get why that had to be so confrontational
I thought there was good info put up. Cool reads. Infact ill read them again

Oh...yeah hes young. I was young once. And i knew erything:rolleyes:
 
If it helps you sleep at night you're also the most interesting man in the world, you have the greatest physique ever achieved by a mammalian species, you drive a $300,000 car, and you are Superman's mentor :rolleyes:

......but since we live in reality, you're really just someone who doesn't know any better and I pity you.

Difference is that my reality will be your fantasy. By the time I'm 22 and have a few cycles behind me will have a more aesthetic physique than 99.99% of people.
$300k car? Done.
 
I dont get why that had to be so confrontational
I thought there was good info put up. Cool reads. Infact ill read them again

Oh...yeah hes young. I was young once. And i knew erything:rolleyes:

Ha it's got to do with my massively inflated ego. It'll eventually bite me in the ass no doubt
 
Difference is that my reality will be your fantasy. By the time I'm 22 and have a few cycles behind me will have a more aesthetic physique than 99.99% of people.
$300k car? Done.

I have no fantasy that involves you lol. If you want someone to flatter you maybe hire an escort or something.

I could care less about my physique as I'm a powerlifter who competes. Having said that, I'm perfectly happy with how I look and what powerlifting training has done for me but strength is always number 1.

You're also too stupid to realize the limitations to your knowledge which judging by your posts in this thread are severe. Enjoy your life of trying to compensate for your shortcomings by using your physique lol.
 
I have no fantasy that involves you lol. If you want someone to flatter you maybe hire an escort or something.

I could care less about my physique as I'm a powerlifter who competes. Having said that, I'm perfectly happy with how I look and what powerlifting training has done for me but strength is always number 1.

You're also too stupid to realize the limitations to your knowledge which judging by your posts in this thread are severe. Enjoy your life of trying to compensate for your shortcomings by using your physique lol.

Not me personally, just the lifestyle. Powerlifting lol. I could give 2 shits about strength, I'd rather bench 135 max and look good than 315 and look less aesthetic.
Limitations of my knowledge? lol k just sounds like your using the whole young and dumb bs
Shortcomings? Not with me.
Watch the video, you'll probably think he's a phaggot but your daughter won't ;)
 
Not me personally, just the lifestyle. Powerlifting lol. I could give 2 shits about strength, I'd rather bench 135 max and look good than 315 and look less aesthetic.
Limitations of my knowledge? lol k just sounds like your using the whole young and dumb bs
Shortcomings? Not with me.
Watch the video, you'll probably think he's a phaggot but your daughter won't ;)
You need to grow up
Do you realize how you sound?
Its not even all about youth. You just sound ignorant and foolish. We all were. But your a over the top conceided fuck
 
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