Oh yea for sure...not doubting it yet but like I said little more time will tell ...we’ll see def keep me posted on bloods and progress ...I’m throwing some deca into my cycle this time around too ...
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It’s been a long time since ran deca... what do you suggest?
AntonVPower
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Absolutely. Its anabolic and androgenic so will have classic effects of raising free/total.testosterone as well as shutting down your hpta. So yes, if you are planning to test your cyp with bloods but add Deca then one could be rising your test but you won't know which. Though to be clear, Deca won't raise your test as high as your Cyp so if you know where you "should be at" from your weekly MG than you could still get an idea, but not perfectly.
Here's how I reference test (for ME):
For example, my current free total test is around 950 on 200mg per week of Cyp. My first bloods were at 443. So, for me, 200mg per week will raise my total test by about 500 points once my blood has stabilized after 6 weeks without a frontload. So if I'm pinning 750 per week it should be around 2000 or above or my gear is underdosed or bunk.
Keep in mind that this conversion rate is not universal and we all will be a little different.
If you find a nice baseline like I did and have another stable reference point than you can definitely make a strong inference about your gear without having it sent to some lab or Jano.
AntonVPower
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I've never ran it myself (pussed out from DecaDick fear) maybe @JC Grifter @ShredMN could give you some good stack advice?
Yea what’s weird is back in day I don’t remember getting the whole deca dick thing but that was my fear now but I’d like to add it to my cycle for some size but then stop when sides like deca dick start to happen my buddy said sometimes, and I know everyone’s different, but that side don’t start to happen till around 10-12 weeks in ..i can hold Off a bit and see what the test does first ...
AntonVPower
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Not a bad idea. Though I have heard some bros like to use Deca like EQ and run it for up to 16 weeks on a lower dose. Around 300mgs without depression or erectile dysfunction. Some of these guys will jump in and give you some solid advice soon. Ill run NPP on my next blast so ill have something useful to share then lol
Skip the Deca and go for NPP instead. It’s much quicker acting with less water retention and it’s amazing for bulking.
That’s what I’m hearing and I heard sides are easy in ya compared to deca ...
I’ve honestly never ran regular deca because in all of my research, it doesn’t sound like a great compound when much better ones exist, one being NPP. I haven’t ever experienced erectile dysfunction with NPP either, which I know is a common issue with deca. Between the water retention and the dick issues, I’ll never run deca. There’s no need to really, what’s the point when there are so many other better compounds out there!
JC Grifter
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I believe it’s user dependent. Back in 2003 my first cycle ever was Deca only and I didn’t have any issues. I do love me some NPP now a days but I running Deca right now again out of nostalgia lol. Hopefully don’t have any issues like the first time. I’m running test and Tbol with it
AntonVPower
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Whats your current cycle protocol look like? @Mjjh20 is thinking about adding some Deca in to his cycle. Whats your current stack look like mg to mg?
JC Grifter
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AntonVPower
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Nice and conservative. Smart.
Low back pumps are the worst part of using gear for me. I have taken to wearing my Inzer for every split these days. Dbol had me dying at day 4 at only 30mg per day. Test will do it to me too on 500mg or more. Hang in there bro!!!
JC Grifter
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Yes sir! I like to keep the dose just low enough to get results. I worked out with my wife today and she thought I was being a baby [emoji23]. Totally agree and same issues on higher test for me too. Actually I get bad pumps in my abs on high test. [emoji2371]
10.5 weeks to go [emoji1320]
Tastypeanut2
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Hey bud , are you referring to free test or total test of 2000 ?
I have yet to determine what causes back pumps, but I feel it’s from estrogen related water retention because I don’t get it every time I run an oral. I’m taking both anadrol and Winny right now, 50mg/Ed and 40mg/Ed respectively, and I’m not getting any back pumps whatsoever. I do add taurine to everything though and that’s reported to help although I’ve found if I’m already having back pumps, no amount of taurine will fix it. I can’t think of any other explanation for the phenomenon other than what I speculated.
MisterSuperGod
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Estrogen wouldn't explain why it happens with Anavar though.
i think the orals amplify the pump. My forearms were so pumped yesterday doing biceps that it was painful. That was with 50 mg Tbol PWO.
Friday is deadlift day, so we'll see if 50 mg of Tbol makes me want to cry.
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