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Estrogen wouldn't explain why it happens with Anavar though.

i think the orals amplify the pump. My forearms were so pumped yesterday doing biceps that it was painful. That was with 50 mg Tbol PWO.

Friday is deadlift day, so we'll see if 50 mg of Tbol makes me want to cry.

I’m doing 50mg Tbol right now. I didn’t cry today working back but it sucked lol. And unfortunately I know from past experience with Tbol, cardio is out! The pump in my back and shins is unbearable.
 
Hey bud , are you referring to free test or total test of 2000 ?
Total test. That would be a ridiculous amount of free ng/dl.
And as a reminder, these are my "approximate" numbers with my biochemical metabolism of testosterone at 200mg of exogenous test = roughly 500 ng/dl. Those numbers could change significantly person to person. Best of outcomes!
 
Yes sir! I like to keep the dose just low enough to get results. I worked out with my wife today and she thought I was being a baby [emoji23]. Totally agree and same issues on higher test for me too. Actually I get bad pumps in my abs on high test. [emoji2371]

10.5 weeks to go [emoji1320]
Get it bro!
 
Estrogen wouldn't explain why it happens with Anavar though.

i think the orals amplify the pump. My forearms were so pumped yesterday doing biceps that it was painful. That was with 50 mg Tbol PWO.

Friday is deadlift day, so we'll see if 50 mg of Tbol makes me want to cry.
Well I’m stumped then because I don’t always get back pumps.
 
Total test. That would be a ridiculous amount of free ng/dl.
And as a reminder, these are my "approximate" numbers with my biochemical metabolism of testosterone at 200mg of exogenous test = roughly 500 ng/dl. Those numbers could change significantly person to person. Best of outcomes!
well, for 750mg of test cyp you should be looking at total test 4k + ng/dl 2k ng/dl is pretty low for that dosage..
 
well, for 750mg of test cyp you should be looking at total test 4k + ng/dl 2k ng/dl is pretty low for that dosage..
Perhaps. But based upon my baseline and 6 week followup 200mg of test c only pushed my total test up about 500 points. Doing the simple math with a conservative metabolizing of the test would only point "me" in the 2k ballpark.

Although, I have heard of some people saturating much better and having significantly higher numbers than me due to a slow metabolizing of the compound in their blood stream. I metabolize everything extremely quickly so that "may" explain my modest numbers where other guys at 200mg are in the 1200 range. The test was the exact same for both my baseline and my follow up so I have a pretty solid data set to work from for me. Others? Who knows?
 
Perhaps. But based upon my baseline and 6 week followup 200mg of test c only pushed my total test up about 500 points. Doing the simple math with a conservative metabolizing of the test would only point "me" in the 2k ballpark.

Although, I have heard of some people saturating much better and having significantly higher numbers than me due to a slow metabolizing of the compound in their blood stream. I metabolize everything extremely quickly so that "may" explain my modest numbers where other guys at 200mg are in the 1200 range. The test was the exact same for both my baseline and my follow up so I have a pretty solid data set to work from for me. Others? Who knows?
Are these bloods of sig cyp
 
Perhaps. But based upon my baseline and 6 week followup 200mg of test c only pushed my total test up about 500 points. Doing the simple math with a conservative metabolizing of the test would only point "me" in the 2k ballpark.

Although, I have heard of some people saturating much better and having significantly higher numbers than me due to a slow metabolizing of the compound in their blood stream. I metabolize everything extremely quickly so that "may" explain my modest numbers where other guys at 200mg are in the 1200 range. The test was the exact same for both my baseline and my follow up so I have a pretty solid data set to work from for me. Others? Who knows?
Hey bud yeah 200mg at 1200 would be ideal. Have to agree with you that everyone reacts differently but i would assume your test level would be way above 2k since ure hitting 1200 at 200mg per week. Blood work will tell and keep us posted !
 
Hey bud yeah 200mg at 1200 would be ideal. Have to agree with you that everyone reacts differently but i would assume your test level would be way above 2k since ure hitting 1200 at 200mg per week. Blood work will tell and keep us posted !
I'm only at 954 at 200mg after a 6 week stabilization. I sure hope it's gonna end up way high. Running 950mgs right now with a little Var (40 per day) until week 6 bloods. Then some Tren A at 150mg per week until the end. Ill definitely keep you guys up to date. Thanks for the encouragement bro!
 
Hey bud yeah 200mg at 1200 would be ideal. Have to agree with you that everyone reacts differently but i would assume your test level would be way above 2k since ure hitting 1200 at 200mg per week. Blood work will tell and keep us posted !
No he said he’s heard other guys getting 1200 at 200mg per week.. but 200 only pushes him up about 500, so he was just extrapolating that out with his higher dose to figure out where he should be. Plus the numbers he posted are based on his TRT test C from doc so it’s based on pharm grade.
 
Oh ok so you were on trt? So from starting the blast do you notice a bump in everything ?
Yeah, I was cruising at 200mg a week.
I frontloaded 750 on Monday after a test pin to make sure it was bacteria free in deep tissue. I pinned 250mg again last night also. Basically, I've noticed a bit of water weight already and some puffy nips which tell me that I'm aromitizing way more than while on my trt dose. Had to take .75 Adex over the last 2 days to keep my e2 under control and get rid of the water retention.

Super oily skin and retaining a lot of nitrogen with lasting pumps. So based on my prior experience the Sig Cyp is definitely not bunk and is relatively close to the MG weight. Im happy thus far.

How's your cycle going?
 
Yeah, I was cruising at 200mg a week.
I frontloaded 750 on Monday after a test pin to make sure it was bacteria free in deep tissue. I pinned 250mg again last night also. Basically, I've noticed a bit of water weight already and some puffy nips which tell me that I'm aromitizing way more than while on my trt dose. Had to take .75 Adex over the last 2 days to keep my e2 under control and get rid of the water retention.

Super oily skin and retaining a lot of nitrogen with lasting pumps. So based on my prior experience the Sig Cyp is definitely not bunk and is relatively close to the MG weight. Im happy thus far.

How's your cycle going?
Good starting gaining few lbs ...have a little gyno flaring up I been taking some adex I tried the deus adex... appetite had been good oily skin for sure...let me ask you is gyno from using the gear, I’m prone to it but one guy around my way said it’s from missing shots but I don’t miss or skip shot and still have flare ups...
 
Good starting gaining few lbs ...have a little gyno flaring up I been taking some adex I tried the deus adex... appetite had been good oily skin for sure...let me ask you is gyno from using the gear, I’m prone to it but one guy around my way said it’s from missing shots but I don’t miss or skip shot and still have flare ups...
Well, gyno is caused by having too high of e2 for too long of a period. But some guys are more likely to get it even with relatively low e2. Missing or skipping shots causes your test to dip in relation to your e2 which more than likely still had test to aromitize...making it spike in relation to the balance you had before missing your shot. So yes it can happen that way. But gyno can happen if your estrogen is left uncontrolled with or without gear. Many young or overweight guys as kids get gyno during puberty. Its a hormonal.balance issue. Its just way more likely when you have more testosterone in your system for the aromitase enzyme to bind with an increase estrogen.

Glad you're cycle is starting to get good. Best of gains!
 
Well, gyno is caused by having too high of e2 for too long of a period. But some guys are more likely to get it even with relatively low e2. Missing or skipping shots causes your test to dip in relation to your e2 which more than likely still had test to aromitize...making it spike in relation to the balance you had before missing your shot. So yes it can happen that way. But gyno can happen if your estrogen is left uncontrolled with or without gear. Many young or overweight guys as kids get gyno during puberty. Its a hormonal.balance issue. Its just way more likely when you have more testosterone in your system for the aromitase enzyme to bind with an increase estrogen.

Glad you're cycle is starting to get good. Best of gains!
I got gyno before ever touching gear from eating an extremely low fat diet over a long period of time. Dietary fat and cholesterol are critical for the production of hormones and I found that out the hard way many, many years ago.
 
I got gyno before ever touching gear from eating an extremely low fat diet over a long period of time. Dietary fat and cholesterol are critical for the production of hormones and I found that out the hard way many, many years ago.
Damned if you do damned if you don't, as far as watching the fat in the diet goes. I myself get fat easily and seems to be genetic as my younger brother is quite stocky :oops:
 
For what it's worth, I'm particularly prone to gyno. Never had much of a problem many years ago while competing (late 1980s). But then about five years after the last time I'd used any roids, it flared up badly on both sides. My natural T tested out to be a bit more than expected for my age but not outrageously high or low. It was painful to the point that it was interfering with my ability to properly wear my body armor (I was a metro cop then) so I went in and had the surgery on both sides. The doctor cut most everything out of there. Yet even now, using things like Sustanon for the first time in almost 20 years, what little tissue is left in there did flare up for about the first six weeks. I am using Nolvadex daily which seems to have knocked it out. Like I said there's very little tissue left inside but what is there did flare up and it was pretty painful for a few weeks.

Over the years I've heard people complain about how painful the surgery can be. It definitely was pretty sore for a while after. After maybe ten days I was able to go back into body armor and go back on the street. If what I experienced is any guide, don't let worries about pain or complications keep you from getting the surgery if you need it. If it goes right it's not bad. For me the only really painful part was actually a freak accident, in that during the surgery the surgeon damaged a subcutaneous artery, and a few hours after I went home it let go and bled like a motherfucker. At the same time the drain the surgeon put in clogged, so I had to go right back to the hospital with what looked like a half of a purple grapefruit under the skin and believe me, that did not feel good at all. And that's the story of how I had to have surgery twice in the same day. The worst part was cauterizing the bleed. They'd put me under with what turned out to be an insufficient dosage of Versed and Demerol, and I woke up right in the middle of it with smoke sizzling up out of the hole in my chest. I admit that did sting a little.

But besides that it wasn't bad at all. :^D
 
Yep, hormones are a fickle bitch and dietary choices can definitely contribute to underlying hormonal abnormalities. Did you have the surgery? Build over it?
I got gyno before ever touching gear from eating an extremely low fat diet over a long period of time. Dietary fat and cholesterol are critical for the production of hormones and I found that out the hard way many, many years ago.
 
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