The C4 had to build up to it. Tried to be a big baller and pin a cc the first time and holly f . I was so hyped from it that I took it at 6pm and was awake till the next day . Could have stayed in the gym all night. I’m at one cc now and doing good but I think that because of the Tren base in it I get really winded like if I were on Tren a cycle. Can’t wait till he gets test base in water. That works way better for me.