well clearly your guys' intention is not to help. your intention is not "here is some help. i don't recommend this but, here's where you can find more information at www...." or even, "yeah that's not a good idea but maybe you can something weaker, generally just test supplement the first time." that would be "helping" .... but that's not what you're doing. what you're doing is "i know more than everyone else. and you're stupid. don't ask us again." and now this thread is turning into something else and it's just funny because i've already said i'm doing the cycle with or without your support and yet here we persist