Finding Powder

[ChemStar]

Hello all. Yes, this is my first post here so feel free to rip me however you choose, just realize that I realize I don't fit in quite yet. I've been training for years, and have a background in biochemistry. I'm by no means as smart as some of the members on here, but I'm working on it I feel like hopefully I can offer something to this community.
My plan was to talk to you all, find a couple powder sources deemed good, and work with them. And by work with them I mean run full chemical tests. I have access to an entire organic chemistry lab full with IR, GC, and can sometimes even use the HNMR though I have to be tricky about hiding it.
I want to start using real gear, though with my background and quick research I'm not just about to inject whatever into my ass and hope for the best. My plan is to homebrew in an actual lab.
But before that can even begin, the powders need to be tested for purity. My thought was, if you all can direct me to legit sources( either on here or through PM), I can run some more than basic tests for you and return the results. That way we all benefit. Let me know what you guys think and also if I'm stepping on any toes or breaking any rules here.
Thanks

 

[regular]

 

[ChemStar]

Seriously haha. Hey I thought it was a good proposition but apparently everyone here's a chemist already

 

[Millard]

Seriously haha. Hey I thought it was a good proposition but apparently everyone here's a chemist already

Sure, it's a good idea. How many people actually test raw powders before homebrewing? You would hope that at least the UGLs run powders through a few tests.

 

[tanuki]

Beggars can't be choosers with purity. UGLs roll the dice and hope the filtering process gets rid of those impurities which they don't. That's why you hear about heavy metal contamination.

Giving up a good raw powder source is even harder then giving you a good middle man UGL. Good luck bud.

 

[Millard]

Beggars can't be choosers with purity. UGLs roll the dice and hope the filtering process gets rid of those impurities which they don't. That's why you hear about heavy metal contamination.

Giving up a good raw powder source is even harder then giving you a good middle man UGL. Good luck bud.

Just saying access to such equipment could result in superior product - not that most users care too much.

 

[regular]

Seriously haha. Hey I thought it was a good proposition but apparently everyone here's a chemist already

I've never performed a vacuum fractional distillation, run a rotovap, synthesized a compound, worn out a keck clip, broken a thermometer, preformed a light catalyzed free radical halogenation, shaken a sep funnel, or had prune hands from working in a glove box. I am completely unfamiliar with working with chemicals and do not have a background in the sciences.

 

[ChemStar]

I'm not sitting here saying ugls don't know how to test basic purity. But you'd be shocked at some of the shit people inject and what all it contains. I'm saying the access I have grants me tests from machines incredibly too expensive for a normal or even above average ugl. I'm talking a real organic lab. I'm not criticizing anyone, just thought that if I could get some powders id run some tests and share results with people who'd wana know. I'm relatively new to AAS which is why I'm even bothering to ask for help.

 

[ChemStar]

Also money doesn't grow in my backyard. I suppose I could just order whatever and post the results, but if they're known to be shit to begin with then I just wasted money that I really don't have to waste. Just looking for some hints, not a self help book.

 

[tanuki]

Just saying access to such equipment could result in superior product - not that most users care too much.

The nature of the game. An ugl can't invest in something as simple as a precision melting point machine because of the $1500 retail price. An IR machine is probably ranges $5-10K. When the shit hits the fan which it will. Those precious thousands could go into a getaway bag.

You could give most users legit test as deca and they'd believe they have deca.

If I could turn back time I'd make better use of my time in undergrad Ochem lab

 

[tanuki]

For $250 bucks you can get a decent amount of any powder. If you can't risk the money then don't purchase it. All people buying powder take that risk. Risk what you can lose has always been part of this.

If it's legit you've got multiple quality cycles.

 

[Millard]

If I could turn back time I'd make better use of my time in undergrad Ochem lab

I wonder how many are doing just that right now

 

[Millard]

Also money doesn't grow in my backyard. I suppose I could just order whatever and post the results, but if they're known to be shit to begin with then I just wasted money that I really don't have to waste. Just looking for some hints, not a self help book.

Whatever you find, I hope you share the results.

Most people judge the quality of powder by the effectiveness of the finished product. Of course, it's not so accurate. Many won't be able to distinguish from one steroid to the next as long as it contains something in it. It's always nice to get exactly what you think you're getting.

 

[regular]

Just saying access to such equipment could result in superior product - not that most users care too much.

Are there any legal obstacles to someone becoming a testing authority like dance safe that you are aware of?

I'm hoping a person in a position of high authority will do this and don't understand why it hasn't happened yet. By charging a fee one could generate a small profit or at least break even.

 

[ChemStar]

Here's my point. One could call a certain source or particular powder "good" based off results. They probly do work! But what about the shit ur putting into ur system that shouldn't be there? Heavy metals, poisons, plastic agents, the list is almost endless. Why not make sure a "good"based source is indeed good? I'm assuming most powders come from other countries although id be greatly interested to hear about a domestic (US) source.

I'm more than happy to share with the class. I've been lurking on this forum for awhile now and have found that there are many knowledgeable people on here. All I'm offering in exchange for some names is teat results that I'm almost positive no one else has the capability to give. IR, GC, and maybe H Nmr although the first two would be quite sufficient in showing purity levels.

 

[ChemStar]

And sorry for the typos I'm actually working out now and typing on my phone. Test results not teat results lol

 

[regular]

Here's my point. One could call a certain source or particular powder "good" based off results. They probly do work! But what about the shit ur putting into ur system that shouldn't be there? Heavy metals, poisons, plastic agents, the list is almost endless. Why not make sure a "good"based source is indeed good? I'm assuming most powders come from other countries although id be greatly interested to hear about a domestic (US) source.

I'm more than happy to share with the class. I've been lurking on this forum for awhile now and have found that there are many knowledgeable people on here. All I'm offering in exchange for some names is teat results that I'm almost positive no one else has the capability to give. IR, GC, and maybe H Nmr although the first two would be quite sufficient in showing purity levels.

What evidence do you have that the brands currently in circulation have impurities in them?

 

[ChemStar]

What evidence do you have that the brands currently in circulation have impurities in them?

Honestly I'm a little surprised you'd even ask that question, but after searching for about 9 seconds I found this video on the steroid articles part of THIS website.

William Llewellyn Discusses Evolving Black Market for Anabolic Steroids [VIDEO]

Start around the 15 minute mark where he talks about how incredibly impure these sources are. I don't think it's a stretch to say the guy cooking tren in his kitchen sink could be contaminating his product. EVEN if the cook was extremely careful, the POWDER he is using could EASILY contain impurities. You think the guys in China who mass produce the powder give a shit about your health?

From all my searching I have found no threads or no person who's mentioned TRUE quality control. I don't expect anything to be 100% purity. But I personally would like to know the risk I'm taking before I inject. And I'm sure I'm not alone

 

[Millard]

Honestly I'm a little surprised you'd even ask that question, but after searching for about 9 seconds I found this video on the steroid articles part of THIS website.

William Llewellyn Discusses Evolving Black Market for Anabolic Steroids [VIDEO]

Start around the 15 minute mark where he talks about how incredibly impure these sources are. I don't think it's a stretch to say the guy cooking tren in his kitchen sink could be contaminating his product. EVEN if the cook was extremely careful, the POWDER he is using could EASILY contain impurities. You think the guys in China who mass produce the powder give a shit about your health?

From all my searching I have found no threads or no person who's mentioned TRUE quality control. I don't expect anything to be 100% purity. But I personally would like to know the risk I'm taking before I inject. And I'm sure I'm not alone

These tests by Llewellyn are a few years old. Here are a couple articles I wrote about them:

Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?

Identities of Underground Labs with Contaminated and Underdosed Products Revealed

 

[ChemStar]

His tests are old, but his main point was the progression of the problem. As time goes on, so does the impurity issue. Have there always been impurities? Probly. There's sticks and stems in your local weed bag too.

I only chimed in to this forum to try and help out. There are too many people on too many forums who just ride off others and never figure stuff out for themselves. I was just thinking that using the above average testing techniques could shed light on the powders people swear by. Maybe (and hopefully) they are pure! That would be great. But why not share that data?

Now being that I'm new, I don't know all the hookups and good sources. And I'm not asking for someones little black book either. But, as powder tends to go, spending $200+ is not something I can just do despite my wanting to contribute. I'll leave it at this. If anyone who homebrews and gets good results would like their powder tested for real, then hit me up. Till then I'll just keep reading and researching and making tally marks for mentions of powder sources. Idk what else I could do