Someone go find MANDS. I'm told he was last seen testing a new high con protein drink at the 11th street Golds Gym in LA
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At a low dose of 4(5)IUs, you can reach peak (saturation) IGF1 elevated levels in a short time span (<10 days)
You can elevate IGF1 levels greatly in as little as a day by "front loading" or "spiking" the dose
Yes, I agree, it takes time to elevate IGF1 levels to a stable level.....but not for a low dose of 4(5)IUs
This is just one example Jim.....I've got lots of labs where I've manipulated my IGF1 quickly
I got others to start doing a similar protocol including some sources who were using mainly GH Serums
As you can see here....10 days wasn't even needed to double my baseline
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Let me try this another way....I don't want to clog up you thread...this will be my last post on it.Did of these cohorts use a ""4-5IU
dosage? NOPE!
Did any, but the 30 IU subjects,
use more than a SINGKE dose of GH? NOPE!
What about the 30IU cohort? Well they pinned GH at 30IU QD for SIX days and STOPPED assaying IGF levels at day number EIGHT, only TWO DAYS AFTER their last injection!
Yet from this info how can one ascertain a "plateau" was reached UNLESS GH administration ceases after the sixth dose.
Now how many BB are going to run GH for either one or eight days? Hello
Classic example of data mid-interpretation that is all to common on PED forums!
The point of IGF testing is to determine when STEADY STATE levels are reached while using a FIXED DAILY DOSE and that requires 4-6 weeks NOT 7-10 days as you have opined.
In addition, bc the half life of IGF is
relatively short those changes which may occur bc of GH "front loading" will VERY be short lived.
And to think I acquired all this information by reading the abstract, alone, but why didn't you.
Because you wanted the data to "match" your anecdotal "experience", and yea for that reason I still contend you got "nothing" out of it. The unfortunate fact is you collated just enough "data" to misinform others!
Nonetheless I will read the entire study in the next day or to ensure others don't follow your folly PX.
Kaluta's Black Top.While the above is my second priority, posting a couple more samples for Meso members to review is this threads primary objective.
Hey Dr J can you include information about the origin, manufacturer or "lot numbers", etc, this time around? NOPE!
SAMPLE # 15
Direct's Pink Top.SAMPLE # 16
thanks mands, are those black tops labeled the same dosage as tp's. Just one of the things that's confusing about the gh game. I'm guessing it's a different manufacturer, but than people will see black top and think they are the sameKaluta's Black Top.
mands
Direct's Pink Top.
mands
thanks mands, are those black tops labeled the same dosage as tp's
I'm not Mands but no, they're not Meditrope and Kalatu is a scammer.
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I've never heard of Kalatu but how is he scamming if his vial was 10 IU? Selective scammer?
It was available and I think any generic should be tested for reference.Didn't mean he didn't sell good stuff. Kalatu/MG disappeared on a few occasions with people's money. I'm sure he'll be back under a different name.
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As was stated NO they are not.thanks mands, are those black tops labeled the same dosage as tp's. Just one of the things that's confusing about the gh game. I'm guessing it's a different manufacturer, but than people will see black top and think they are the same
It was available and I think any generic should be tested for reference.
mands
Oh no worries. I didn't take it that way at all.I didn't mean to disparage the testing, just wanted to let people know so they don't go looking for him and get screwed.
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my question is, is it too soon to feel any possible sides?
How do I go about getting my bottle tested?
I just hate not knowing for sure how much I'm using. I'd love to use real non generic HGH, but cannot find it anywhere!
if someone wants to give me a source it'd be greatly appreciated
Also, is there a specific name for the blood test to get to test IGF/HGH levels?
No one chased TP off. So stop repeating that bullshit.
Hope to see more meditrope and greys tested to see if they are consistent.
Yes very rare indeed.Would be nice to have a moderated thread with just reports from Jim/Mands and a separate cross-linked discussion thread ... not sure if the Meso forum platform would allow for such measures.
Also ... it was pretty awesome to see TP engaged in discussion (extremely rare moment for a guy with so much history in the Chinese GH game)... too bad he was chased off by the legion of assholes that hang around here. Some of the members appear to be working against their own interests and would rather stifle respectful discourse in favor of shit slinging and personal attacks that lead to no where. Sad.