Hair Loss

[Dufresne]

Dbol is hard on your hair if you have MPB...If you have MPB then the DHT of this drug will accelerate your hair loss.

Test E isn't great either but you can take proscar daily with it to minimize the conversion to DHT, thus reduces the negative effect on your hairline.

Frank

Thanks for the reply Frank it's much appreciated.
Just a follow up question though maybe you know from experience, it has passed 6 months now (not including the PCT time). Have no signs of hair loss from the cycle, or MPB signs still.
I do know that a lot depends on the dosage you do, and your general genetics.
But from what I've read a testo e dosage with perhaps propecia as you mentioned could keep the DHT at bay and keep the hairline intact for blast and cruise cycle.

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Thanks for the reply Frank it's much appreciated.
Just a follow up question though maybe you know from experience, it has passed 6 months now (not including the PCT time). Have no signs of hair loss from the cycle, or MPB signs still.
I do know that a lot depends on the dosage you do, and your general genetics.
But from what I've read a testo e dosage with perhaps propecia as you mentioned could keep the DHT at bay and keep the hairline intact for blast and cruise cycle.

DHT will speed up your hair loss if you're genetically prone to it...your hair will fall out and it will grow back but it'll be a bit shorter if effected by DHT.

Unless you use the real strong chemicals, you'll be fine.

But remember, your hair if prone to Male Baldness will be effected by these chemicals...it's just time. If your hair would have fallen out in 5 years, it may fall out in 3 now.

Frank

 

[modusoperandi]

I have always been hugely concerned about hair loss when getting into a first cycle & this has helped out so much. Feel more comfortable going into a first cycle.

 

[IwantToGetBig.Frank]

Cool.

You'll shed but it'll grow back...question is, what was the damage.

Use procar and you'll minimize the damage.

Frank

 

[Gnarkill]

You forgot ORAL minoxidil.
Big foot growth in a bottle.

Can you get that otc?

 

[JMalone]

I've been reading through this thread the last day and had a few questions to run by those that know more about this than I.

I'm currently 31 with no signs of MPB and experienced little/no hair loss when I last cycled in my mid 20's. Now that I've crossed over the 30 mark, my natural test levels are pathetic and I'm going TRT with the blast/cruise protocol.

My question is, given that I'm not prone to MPB, what precautions would you recommend so that I can avoid losing hair? I've got the Nizoral shampoo, some finasteride and can get some rogaine as well. I'm really weary of the fina due to the potential sexual sides, especially since I'm doing TRT to avoid those in the first place.

Should I just use the nizoral and rogaine regularly during blasts and cut back usage during cruise? Should I start on a low dose of fina now as a preventative measure, or play it by ear?

 

[Batofgotham]

I think staying away from the dht derivative steroids help in not speeding up the process of balding. But then again if u aren't prone to it it seems to have little effect overall. But I just use rogaine cuz I noticed a tad of thinning in the front

 

[JMalone]

I think staying away from the dht derivative steroids help in not speeding up the process of balding. But then again if u aren't prone to it it seems to have little effect overall. But I just use rogaine cuz I noticed a tad of thinning in the front

The only DHT derivative I've tried was Var and I went up to 120mg/ed while on test/tren. There wasn't any noticeable hair loss that I could tell.

I already have my next 2 blasts planned, one test/eq with tbol kicker, and test/deca with dbol kicker. If anything the high test and dbol would likely be the one to cause loss I'd guess.

 

[Batofgotham]

The only DHT derivative I've tried was Var and I went up to 120mg/ed while on test/tren. There wasn't any noticeable hair loss that I could tell.

I already have my next 2 blasts planned, one test/eq with tbol kicker, and test/deca with dbol kicker. If anything the high test and dbol would likely be the one to cause loss I'd guess.

They say deca can be pretty harsh on hair loss. Ya I found on whinny my hair didn't go much but the masteron really did a number on it

 

[JMalone]

I was reading on another board where they were talking about non DHT indueced hair loss and that things like galea tightening and an unhealthy scalp are big issues to address. Using rosemary oil for the scalp and doing face exercises to improve blood flow were what they recommended. Anyone tried that stuff in addition to fina/duta and minoxidil?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

In this report, we present the case of a patient with AA universalis refractory to various types of treatments. With patient consent, we introduced oral tofacitinib, an agent that has shown results in AA universalis [7, 8]. Tofacitinib is currently approved for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis in many countries, including Brazil [7, 9-11], and we have recently reported the case of successful treatment of AA with this drug [8]. The patient reported here showed remarkable improvements not only regarding hair regrowth but also nail changes associated with AA.


[OA] Ferreira SB, Scheinberg M, Steiner D, Steiner T, Bedin GL, Ferreira RB. Remarkable Improvement of Nail Changes in Alopecia Areata Universalis with 10 Months of Treatment with Tofacitinib: A Case Report. Case Rep Dermatol 2017;8(3):262-6. https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/450848

Alopecia areata (AA) is a chronic, autoimmune disease. The main symptom is massive hair loss, localized or diffuse, in the scalp and the whole body. However, nails may also be involved, and brittleness, fragility and pitting can be signs of nail dystrophy in AA patients. Here, we report the case of a male patient with AA refractory to various treatments, including oral, topical and intralesional corticosteroids, immunosuppressants, cyclosporin and PUVA (oxoralen plus ultraviolet light), all interrupted due to side effects. The patient's nails had erythematous blotches (striated lunulae) with regular and superficial pitting as well as fragility (trachyonychia), and he could no longer play the guitar because of these symptoms. With patient consent, we introduced tofacitinib (5 mg twice daily), which resulted in remarkable improvements not only regarding hair regrowth but also nail changes, with function recovery within 10 months.

 

[Dr JIM]

In this report, we present the case of a patient with AA universalis refractory to various types of treatments. With patient consent, we introduced oral tofacitinib, an agent that has shown results in AA universalis [7, 8]. Tofacitinib is currently approved for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis in many countries, including Brazil [7, 9-11], and we have recently reported the case of successful treatment of AA with this drug [8]. The patient reported here showed remarkable improvements not only regarding hair regrowth but also nail changes associated with AA.


[OA] Ferreira SB, Scheinberg M, Steiner D, Steiner T, Bedin GL, Ferreira RB. Remarkable Improvement of Nail Changes in Alopecia Areata Universalis with 10 Months of Treatment with Tofacitinib: A Case Report. Case Rep Dermatol 2017;8(3):262-6. https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/450848

Alopecia areata (AA) is a chronic, autoimmune disease. The main symptom is massive hair loss, localized or diffuse, in the scalp and the whole body. However, nails may also be involved, and brittleness, fragility and pitting can be signs of nail dystrophy in AA patients. Here, we report the case of a male patient with AA refractory to various treatments, including oral, topical and intralesional corticosteroids, immunosuppressants, cyclosporin and PUVA (oxoralen plus ultraviolet light), all interrupted due to side effects. The patient's nails had erythematous blotches (striated lunulae) with regular and superficial pitting as well as fragility (trachyonychia), and he could no longer play the guitar because of these symptoms. With patient consent, we introduced tofacitinib (5 mg twice daily), which resulted in remarkable improvements not only regarding hair regrowth but also nail changes, with function recovery within 10 months.

As history has a tendency to repeat itself, I suspect some PED forums members will soon be suggesting "Tofa" as a form of "therapy" for BB with AAS related hair loss!

 

[Delarge]

I've been reading through this thread the last day and had a few questions to run by those that know more about this than I.

I'm currently 31 with no signs of MPB and experienced little/no hair loss when I last cycled in my mid 20's. Now that I've crossed over the 30 mark, my natural test levels are pathetic and I'm going TRT with the blast/cruise protocol.

My question is, given that I'm not prone to MPB, what precautions would you recommend so that I can avoid losing hair? I've got the Nizoral shampoo, some finasteride and can get some rogaine as well. I'm really weary of the fina due to the potential sexual sides, especially since I'm doing TRT to avoid those in the first place.

Should I just use the nizoral and rogaine regularly during blasts and cut back usage during cruise? Should I start on a low dose of fina now as a preventative measure, or play it by ear?

This applies to me as well, more or less. In addition to Nizoral shampoo, I requested a prescription for a topical ketoconazole lotion (not a cream or ointment -- compounding pharmacy) to mitigate hair loss. Finasteride is something I'm definitely considering, but the potential irreversibility of some of the adverse effects is concerning.

 

[MR10X]

Ive done AAS since 1980 and not had a problem losing hair.... there are some compounds that will cause it like masteron i tried and it caused my hair to fall out but i never had a problem with anything else. I would stay away from finasteride because of the permanet side effects ive hear of. Im 70 now and still have all my hair....

 

[James23]

Ive done AAS since 1980 and not had a problem losing hair.... there are some compounds that will cause it like masteron i tried and it caused my hair to fall out but i never had a problem with anything else. I would stay away from finasteride because of the permanet side effects ive hear of. Im 70 now and still have all my hair....

That's just genetics, dude. It won't make your hair fall out unless you have the common genes for androgen sensitivity.

 

[Dr JIM]

although for many genetics is the primary issue yet the use of AAS expedites hair loss for the majority in a dose AND duration related manner IME

 

[MR10X]

You beat me to it....you take enough test or DHT compounds and youll lose hair.....MPB is just one cause.....

 

[Dr JIM]

And no doubt MPB is a significant cause BUT progressive thinning that exceeds age related changes are to be expected with AAS IMO.

 

[56HUNTER]

anyone try PRP injections locally for hair loss?

 

[Megadick3000]

My hair began falling out at 17 years old. No joke. By 19 i had the receeded hairline of a 45 year old, and then it stopped and hasnt receeded anymore since. Fortunately i look better with a shaved head than i ever did with hair. plus im a man, so i dont give a fuck. You precious princesses need to drop your balls or hand in your man cards in exchange for a free bottle of hair gel and a pocket mirror. Metrosexual homos!! Whats next, you gonna start painting your nails, sweetcheeks?

Ps: stay the heck away from finasteride or dutasteride, way too many potential long term issues. Just google about finasteride syndrome, scarry shit. Do not recommend anyone go that route without first researching all about finasteride syndrome.