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Someone posted blood results ( Link ) from Herc's earlier supply (06-2013, pre recent issues that have come up), it appears his stuff has been way underdosed from the start.

BP seems to be tried and true. If you have evidence of your purchase from herc (I would imagine that pics of gear or email conversation would suffice), BP is willing to waive the referral.

lol damn..... Anyone know how much this guy was using pw? That is shitty.
 
Definitely should have been plenty, unless you are at your genetic limit.. It's sad they do this, but I guess It's a risk taken when you order from a UGL.
 
Before making a determination what the level "should be" knowing the ester, dosage AND the interval between the most recent and prior injections is critically important.
 
Genetic limit or not, his total test should have been much higher.

I am aware, he should have been well above 3k.... I meant should have been plenty high of a dosage to grow on, unless he was at his genetic limit. I guess I should have been more specific.
 
Before making a determination what the level "should be" knowing the ester, dosage AND the interval between the most recent and prior injections is critically important.

I agree. He mentioned taking 250 every 3.5 days. I can't remember how long, but I think he said further up that he'd taken it for a few weeks. Should have been easily twice that of 1400, if not twice and a half.
 
Well, looks like Stretch deleted his post. Um, you'd know too if you read the whole thread. And my name's not Catherine. I'm not a chick.
 
Catherine.

Well, whatever. I've already told you that the only conversation I'd had with Surabaya was straightforward and concerned payment and shipping. We never discussed the quality of your product- it never came in to question. I did as you said in your PM; I disregarded his emails entirely. But you keep saying that all you like Stretch. I don't really care.

Whoever it was that sent those emails was someone else.

(Is that supposed to be whoever or whomever? Fucking grammar :( )
 
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Well, whatever. I've already told you that the only conversation I'd had with Surabaya was straightforward and concerned payment and shipping. We never discussed the quality of your product- it never came in to question. I did as you said in your PM; I disregarded his emails entirely. But you keep saying that all you like Stretch. I don't really care.

Whoever it was that sent those emails was someone else.

(Is that supposed to be whoever or whomever? Fucking grammar :( )


I can buy that.

A few days before you posted your tin-foil hat theories, surabaya told me someone inquired about the GH and he had a conversation with them. Then when your theories were posted right after, I made a logical assumption that, I guess, you're saying is wrong.

So did you place an order for GH? Or what exactly happened between Surabaya and yourself that led you to believe we were trying to "pull" something? This is a genuine inquiry to help us avoid any further incidents like yours. Apparently we did something to offend you, or trip your bullshit meter, what the fuck was it man? We are as straight as they come.
 
I can buy that.

A few days before you posted your tin-foil hat theories, surabaya told me someone inquired about the GH and he had a conversation with them. Then when your theories were posted right after, I made a logical assumption that, I guess, you're saying is wrong.

So did you place an order for GH? Or what exactly happened between Surabaya and yourself that led you to believe we were trying to "pull" something? This is a genuine inquiry to help us avoid any further incidents like yours. Apparently we did something to offend you, or trip your bullshit meter, what the fuck was it man? We are as straight as they come.

Well, it was just as I said. I inquired about the GH, and told you my intentions. Said I'd want to pay by email, but you were busy or otherwise unavailable for a while, so I just ordered through the site. I then sent an email asking what was taking so long, and Surabaya said he was busy but would get to me shortly.

Then you told me to disregard any emails from him, well, you said "a new employee". You told me to hop on the GH thread. I had actually planned on it, and if you read our correspondence via PM, you'll see I was pretty happy about it. I got another email from Surabaya that day asking for shipping info, but ignored it. I assumed that the bad GH listing would be removed. I made my post in the Biologic thread, and I was intentionally vague for a number of reasons. Mostly, I thought that saying anything about the red tops would create a scare, and if you were going to remove them then it was a non issue.

Days later, I'm not sure how many, I think a week or so? I'd been out of town visiting my gf, so I'm not sure. The email contained WU information. I found it odd that he didn't disclose this information. Found it more odd that the Red Tops were still listed on the site. Found the GH thread.

This all seemed too fishy. I tried to connect dots, and maybe I tried to connect dots that weren't there. Still, it's unsafe to assume "an honest mistake" when you're dealing with illegal activity. Bullshit meter goes off- there's bullshit to be found somewhere. I assumed that one of two things happened:

1) Bio was trying to recover what it had spent on bunk GH, leaving its rep to twist.
or, and this was due to the GH thread offer,
2) You were trying to pull in a little extra by not being the middleman, leaving Bio to twist.

I didn't suspect anything until that later email. When this Herc shit came up, I kinda threw that into the mix, thinking it might be somehow related. Been talking to Herc by email too. Told him if he made it right, I'd post about it, but I wasn't going to buy from him again. With the latest information on this bloodwork, idc if he sends it or not. I'm not putting another thing from Herc Labs into my body, and I suggest no one else does either.

Honestly, the more inflammatory statements I made were because I was a little drunk. That, and um... The responses were funny. Pissed, but funny. The troll in me couldn't help itself. :/

Oh, Ourlegacy- I think that "Dbol" may be methyl-1-testosterone, at way tiny doses. Either way, you should stop taking it if you haven't already.
 
Well, it was just as I said. I inquired about the GH, and told you my intentions. Said I'd want to pay by email, but you were busy or otherwise unavailable for a while, so I just ordered through the site. I then sent an email asking what was taking so long, and Surabaya said he was busy but would get to me shortly.

Then you told me to disregard any emails from him, well, you said "a new employee". You told me to hop on the GH thread. I had actually planned on it, and if you read our correspondence via PM, you'll see I was pretty happy about it. I got another email from Surabaya that day asking for shipping info, but ignored it. I assumed that the bad GH listing would be removed. I made my post in the Biologic thread, and I was intentionally vague for a number of reasons. Mostly, I thought that saying anything about the red tops would create a scare, and if you were going to remove them then it was a non issue.

Days later, I'm not sure how many, I think a week or so? I'd been out of town visiting my gf, so I'm not sure. The email contained WU information. I found it odd that he didn't disclose this information. Found it more odd that the Red Tops were still listed on the site. Found the GH thread.

This all seemed too fishy. I tried to connect dots, and maybe I tried to connect dots that weren't there. Still, it's unsafe to assume "an honest mistake" when you're dealing with illegal activity. Bullshit meter goes off- there's bullshit to be found somewhere. I assumed that one of two things happened:

1) Bio was trying to recover what it had spent on bunk GH, leaving its rep to twist.
or, and this was due to the GH thread offer,
2) You were trying to pull in a little extra by not being the middleman, leaving Bio to twist.

I didn't suspect anything until that later email. When this Herc shit came up, I kinda threw that into the mix, thinking it might be somehow related. Been talking to Herc by email too. Told him if he made it right, I'd post about it, but I wasn't going to buy from him again. With the latest information on this bloodwork, idc if he sends it or not. I'm not putting another thing from Herc Labs into my body, and I suggest no one else does either.

Honestly, the more inflammatory statements I made were because I was a little drunk. That, and um... The responses were funny. Pissed, but funny. The troll in me couldn't help itself. :/

Oh, Ourlegacy- I think that "Dbol" may be methyl-1-testosterone, at way tiny doses. Either way, you should stop taking it if you haven't already.


Okay, actually I can see the logic in your thoughts. I see how it could look fishy to you.

But, after hearing my defense of all the accusations you made, I'm not asking if you would order, but do you feel any differently than you felt a few days ago?
 
Okay, actually I can see the logic in your thoughts. I see how it could look fishy to you.

But, after hearing my defense of all the accusations you made, I'm not asking if you would order, but do you feel any differently than you felt a few days ago?

Yeah, your explanation sounds reasonable. The a.bitch, not so much. :P

It still bugs the shit out of me that Surabaya seemed happy to sell it to me without any heads up.

Edit: Oh, dude, and involving yourself with Herc was definitely an unwise move on your part. Just sayin'.
 
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You seen the email he sent to the other person right? You have to understand, surabaya uses the red tops and believes in them. Genuinely. We have argued vehemently about it, and the agreement we came to was to inform everyone of the mixed lab results, and that we guarantee the product if they show us bad labs.

You can see from the e-mail I attributed to you, that he did exactly this. I think he would have done the same with you if the Red-tops were ever discussed.

He has the same arrogance that I have, the same drive to be the best, if you would have ordered those red-tops and been unhappy we would have refunded you, not even because we are benevolent, because we aren't stupid and it's the smart business move.

As I said, Surabaya uses the red-tops, he likes them, he moves a ton of them locally to guys who like them. I don't get it. I used them months ago, and thought they were good, but used them again recently after the 2 members had bad blood work and I didn't like them the 2nd time I tried them. So it was settled for me, in my mind, they were bunk. Which is why I told you that was my opinion. Did you notice where CMACKDOWN stated that I also told him the Reds were bunk but never said anything about the group buy? It wasn't about me being shady when I pushed you away from them.


Yeah, your explanation sounds reasonable. The a.bitch, not so much. :P

It still bugs the shit out of me that Surabaya seemed happy to sell it to me without any heads up.

Edit: Oh, dude, and involving yourself with Herc was definitely an unwise move on your part. Just sayin'.
 
"Twice that" really what is that estimate based on since the most important question has yet to be answered .

HOW LONG (hours or days) AFTER his LAST injection was blood drawn FOR ANALYSIS.
 
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Man this is what happens when two men can hash out differences. Mucho respect to the two parties! Grown man shit right there!
 
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