I received emails from Herc. I think a lot of people did as well.
Edit: Missed the part about low post count/unestablished members.
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I received emails from Herc. I think a lot of people did as well.
Edit: Missed the part about low post count/unestablished members.
Stretch
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No one is making excuses or trying to minimize. I've wanted to say something about my opinion of Hercules and what happened for last few days.
I'm just saying I don't believe the guy is an asshole. I believe he got fucked, and wants to make it right. Nothing more. Nothing less. Am I allowed to have an opinion today?
People are always going to lose money buying steroids online. Sources lose money bringing powder into the country. Sources lose money importing tablets. Everyone is taking risks. Everyone is taking risks with the knowledge of said risks, and with the hope that they will get a reward for taking the risks. The reward for sources is money, the reward for individuals varies greatly.
I wasn't trying to minimize the loss, and I find it somewhat, characteristically over dramatic of you to assume as much. The point of my last post, and I think you know this, was only trying to add perspective to what it could/would have been anywhere else. I know some individuals lost a lot of money, and I'm sorry for their loss. But, as a group MesoRx members saved a lot of money by being members here instead of OLM or the like, where a situation like this could have been exploited for a much longer period of time. I'm not saying that I believe it would have been exploited in THIS instance, but the potential exists elsewhere, here at MesoRx with the current framework for vetting sources a scam source isn't going to get a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
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noah_k
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Yeah, I really have no idea. Maybe he hopes I re-order, maybe he's actually trying to make right. But I'm not a shill if that's what you're implying, I've switched to BL myself and would not buy from herc again after this headache.
I sent him a question yesterday and received a response later in the evening regarding something other than the liquids.
As for post count stuff, there are two posts (including this one) from me in this thread that may hint to him who I am, otherwise, I had never contacted him via the forums, so he wouldn't know my SN. When I contacted him initially (pre-herc disaster), I told him that I was from here.
Exactly. I do believe he probably had good intentions but wrong is wrong. No matter how you put it. There could be plenty of blame to go around here. Partly me for being too big of a pussy to bring it up the first of August. And to the people that we're all up on his nuts before they even had time to get a good review on the gear. This thread literally only said "damn he has fast shipping, therefore he has to be G2G" for half of the pages. There are no legitimate reviews on the gear that I could find. Besides first time users. But at the end of the day it is all on him. I know for a fact it was brought to his attention. Because I let him know about it. And he said he had addressed it by contacting other customers and also having his powders retested. Which I knew was a lie....... Let's let this be a lesson to us all. Be cautious about who and how you back. Take time and do your blood work. Because it doesn't just affect you but this whole community.
Stretch
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So, here's a thought.
And as a source I hate this..but.
Should the new unofficial policy be that any questions of a products potency should be brought to the forum and made public? If for no other reason other than to provide others with the courage to make their suspicions known?
Sources hate this because then a noob runs his gear for 3 days and because he's a noob, he doesn't realize that the fireballs don't start to shoot from your biceps until day 5, so he gets on here flaming the source, then 3 other noobs realize their fireballs haven't started yet either, so they put their McDonalds down and start to type how the gear isn't working for them either...
But that being said, it seems like if these reports would have been made public more quickly, then the firestorm that began last week would have started a lot sooner.
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
So, here's a thought.
And as a source I hate this..but.
Should the new unofficial policy be that any questions of a products potency should be brought to the forum and made public? If for no other reason other than to provide others with the courage to make their suspicions known?
Sources hate this because then a noob runs his gear for 3 days and because he's a noob, he doesn't realize that the fireballs don't start to shoot from your biceps until day 5, so he gets on here flaming the source, then 3 other noobs realize their fireballs haven't started yet either, so they put their McDonalds down and start to type how the gear isn't working for them either...
But that being said, it seems like if these reports would have been made public more quickly, then the firestorm that began last week would have started a lot sooner.
You just gave yourself a few extra headaches [
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loveyourbody
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Ourlegacy- hahahah yes the community.
I have been talking with herc for a while since this all happened. That's why I was telling people to chill the fuck out. Didn't even give him time to talk even if it was a lie haha. But, we have been talking and he told me to give him a week or two while he gets a new powder source. He said also that it caught him by surprise because no one had complained so he thought all was good and when everyone started complaining it happened all at once. He told me not to shot the gear that I have. That he will reship my order once he has some in with a few extras in there for not being a douche. He also said that he hasn't been on here because he thinks he won't be able to repair the damage. That he plans to reship everyone's orders. He also said he is trying to run a legit buisness because he want to have returning costumers. He didn't know that the gear was bunk.
I'm going to give him a few weeks to see if he keeps his word. So far every email I send him get answered. I will keep you all posted.
Im not a shill ether I've been a member here way before herc showed up so don't start that crap.
I have been talking with herc for a while since this all happened. That's why I was telling people to chill the fuck out. Didn't even give him time to talk even if it was a lie haha. But, we have been talking and he told me to give him a week or two while he gets a new powder source. He said also that it caught him by surprise because no one had complained so he thought all was good and when everyone started complaining it happened all at once. He told me not to shot the gear that I have. That he will reship my order once he has some in with a few extras in there for not being a douche. He also said that he hasn't been on here because he thinks he won't be able to repair the damage. That he plans to reship everyone's orders. He also said he is trying to run a legit buisness because he want to have returning costumers. He didn't know that the gear was bunk.
I'm going to give him a few weeks to see if he keeps his word. So far every email I send him get answered. I will keep you all posted.
Im not a shill ether I've been a member here way before herc showed up so don't start that crap.
loveyourbody
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Stretch- I agree with you. Most of the members on here trying to tell people what to do and their professional opinion have only been members for a month or two.Buy it and get blood work and tell us if it's legit so them we buy it and if it's not so only you get ripped off. Excuse the language but mother fucker why does that person have to be the only one to take a risk. I've been in this game for a while. You will win some and lose so get use to it. Getting pissed and making a big deal out of it will do more harm than good. Like I said I understand that no one likes losing money. But, if you spend a bit of money and it feels like the end of the world if you get ripped off you don't need to be juicing. Ether you are in school and can't afford it or your still to young. Juice once your at your natural potential or till you are financially stable is all saying.
Stretch- Even though I don't know you personally. Your a good guy in my book and appreciate the offer you gave us.
Stretch- Even though I don't know you personally. Your a good guy in my book and appreciate the offer you gave us.
So, here's a thought.
And as a source I hate this..but.
Should the new unofficial policy be that any questions of a products potency should be brought to the forum and made public? If for no other reason other than to provide others with the courage to make their suspicions known?
Sources hate this because then a noob runs his gear for 3 days and because he's a noob, he doesn't realize that the fireballs don't start to shoot from your biceps until day 5, so he gets on here flaming the source, then 3 other noobs realize their fireballs haven't started yet either, so they put their McDonalds down and start to type how the gear isn't working for them either...
But that being said, it seems like if these reports would have been made public more quickly, then the firestorm that began last week would have started a lot sooner.
I think that is a good idea. If it is a standard thing maybe people will not feel awkward about posting their concerns. Make it a little easier on them at least. It would have for me.... Lol On your point about the noobs and their fireballs. I guess there are 2 types. Ones like me that are just new to the forum but have some experience. Then noobs that are running their first cycle. I don't believe they should be giving their opinion on the potency good or bad anyway. I think the majority of us could tell the difference of between the two. And they would be called out because of this..... In another circumstance if someone has an agenda. I feel it's pretty easy to see who is trying to sway opinions one way or another. You just have to look for it.
When I emailed herc he told me my gear was g2g. And was not outsourced. Talked to a couple vet on the thread and came to the conclusion to pin it and see what happens. Ben running the test c at 625 mg a week for almost a 4 weeks. Was debating in get BW done or just spending the money or extra bl gear but after talking to stretch and a couple other members decided to get it done. So BW on Friday will have result sometime next week and will post them plus the top notch guy stretch is sai he would through me some bl gear for the cost of the BW, CRAZY never saw that comming.
To even suggest this shows your character.So, here's a thought.
And as a source I hate this..but.
Should the new unofficial policy be that any questions of a products potency should be brought to the forum and made public? If for no other reason other than to provide others with the courage to make their suspicions known?
Sources hate this because then a noob runs his gear for 3 days and because he's a noob, he doesn't realize that the fireballs don't start to shoot from your biceps until day 5, so he gets on here flaming the source, then 3 other noobs realize their fireballs haven't started yet either, so they put their McDonalds down and start to type how the gear isn't working for them either...
But that being said, it seems like if these reports would have been made public more quickly, then the firestorm that began last week would have started a lot sooner.
I love it!
I can't wait to get knee deep in your merchandise.
alaskinassasin
New Member
Sounds good. He still has to get the shit through customs and then mixed up and put into vials. I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong and guys get compensation.
Stretch is right on about the way a situation like this is handled at PM or OLM. Posts are deleted and the bloodletting drags on and on. Mods and "vets" and the source all trying to squeeze every dollar out of a source and his game. Pathetic.
noah_k
New Member
He says he is sending mass spectrometer results in a bit -- is that how raws are tested or does that sound like a crock of shit? It seems to imply that he already acquired the new stuff (too soon?) or did testing on the old (why bother?). If he makes right, I would be very pleasantly surprised as I think we all would. But the fact that he continues to keep up email contact is very interesting to me.
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Herc set up shop telling everyone his "gear was top notch," he was "trustworthy," "blah, blah, blah." He wasn't. The facts is, his gear is bunk, underdosed, or just watered down test that he sold as a more expensive compound.
I fully accept that sources get scammed by their suppliers. It happens - sometimes. But, this wasn't just a recent one-off problem with supply, it's been going on for a long time. And Hercules was quite willing to accept payment the whole time. That shows his lack of integrity. And that makes him an asshole, IMO.
No, not today. You could have had an opinion yesterday but we'll have to see about tomorrow. I'll let you know.
If the source is unable to provide the customer with what the customer paid for, the SOURCE is obligated to give a full refund. Once the source accepts the customer's money for a product, the customer bears no responsibility for the source not providing the product. Only in the online AAS world do you hear these absurd arguments. You wouldn't accept that behavior from any other business, so why should people accept in from sources?
You did minimize it - intentional or not.
Maybe I am being dramatic but I'm passionate about this. One of the reasons I was so happy to have found Meso was the truthfull exposure given to scammers and the shady nature of this business. Meso is all about integrity. So yeah, I'm a little pissed to see a scam happen here. Moreso because it was avoidable right from the very beginning.
To the guy that got beat, it's as bad as it gets.
So, here's a thought.
And as a source I hate this..but.
If for no other reason other than to provide others with the courage to make their suspicions known?
Sources hate this because then a noob runs his gear for 3 days and because he's a noob, he doesn't realize that the fireballs don't start to shoot from your biceps until day 5, so he gets on here flaming the source, then 3 other noobs realize their fireballs haven't started yet either, so they put their McDonalds down and start to type how the gear isn't working for them either...
But that being said, it seems like if these reports would have been made public more quickly, then the firestorm that began last week would have started a lot sooner.
No. That policy would be a disaster that results in false complaints by idiots like we just saw in the GETM thread. I don't want to add further noise to the system, I want to simplify it.
When it comes to rating sources, what I want to see is a history from all involved. Recommendations FROM those with a history, given TO those with a history, If Dr Jim says he's used GETM for years they've always treated him well, that MEANS something. Same with you and BL. See where I'm going with this?
Regards
CBS
loveyourbody
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CBS- hahaha no not today that was good that post made my day. I see what you mean. It is true we would not take this anywhere else only difference is if it was legal I could be like F you and just walk away and they would give me my money back. But, this isn't legal. I'm going to be honest if he does fix this and proved better quality gear I would order from him again. He could have just been forget this guy and disappear but he want to fix this. That means he wants to be in the game for a while. We will see how things role out. Like I said if he doesn't BL get ready for a big order haha
Astro -Labs
Subscriber
I'm willing to bet the house that the test results he provides are straight from the source. Not to mention a source he has never done business with. So to even claim these raws are good is impossible as no one has even injected them. He sounds like a amature with those claims. How can you claim g2g when you've never even used the source?
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