HGH "high" dosing

[Sampei]

So let's say one is doing bolus dose of 10IU pre workout + insulin and insulin again post workout.

Would you split it 5IU pre WO and 5IU pre bed?

Or if you had the money would you do 10IU pre WO and 5IU before bed?

During day off would you reduce to 5IU pre bed to give the body a bit of rest from the insulin resistance? Or just bolus of 10IU pre bed?

It's all theoretical, I'm really interested in hearing from ppl that tried to delve into 10+ IU dosages territories

 

[AlexDavis43]

So let's say one is doing bolus dose of 10IU pre workout + insulin and insulin again post workout.

Would you split it 5IU pre WO and 5IU pre bed?

Or if you had the money would you do 10IU pre WO and 5IU before bed?

During day off would you reduce to 5IU pre bed to give the body a bit of rest from the insulin resistance? Or just bolus of 10IU pre bed?

It's all theoretical, I'm really interested in hearing from ppl that tried to delve into 10+ IU dosages territories

I've been doing a vial a day, so close to 10 IU/d. Split evenly half when I wake up and the other half around dinner. 12 hours apart. Second dose is a few hours before bed.

Or if you had the money would you do 10IU pre WO and 5IU before bed?

No interest in exceeding 10 IU/d, personally.

 

[Sampei]

I've been doing a vial a day, so close to 10 IU/d. Split evenly half when I wake up and the other half around dinner. 12 hours apart. Second dose is a few hours before bed.



No interest in exceeding 10 IU/d, personally.

Why? About the exceeding

 

[egruberman]

Presently, I'm doing 10iu/d all at once in the evening. Getting a little bit of tingly hands at night, which I'm hoping passes.

 

[Fattyone]

I’m doing 4iu morning and 4iu afternoon/night. If I could handle it I’d take one big ass bolus at night.

A couple guys on PM who are running high growth have said BG seems to be better managed with one large bolus vs splitting it up.

It also seems to be a trend among the large to say things like “it doesn’t fucking matter, just take as much as you can when ever”.

In my pea size brain it makes sense to have it in your system around the workout time and insulin window. It also makes sense in my head to have it at bed time.

 

[bighunanballs]

No one has done studies/research on the difference between split up injections vs bolus. The theory is that a single bolus is better for igf1 production and split up doses are better for lipolysis.

 

[Sampei]

I’m doing 4iu morning and 4iu afternoon/night. If I could handle it I’d take one big ass bolus at night.

A couple guys on PM who are running high growth have said BG seems to be better managed with one large bolus vs splitting it up.

It also seems to be a trend among the large to say things like “it doesn’t fucking matter, just take as much as you can when ever”.

In my pea size brain it makes sense to have it in your system around the workout time and insulin window. It also makes sense in my head to have it at bed time.

I agree with the BG things, if you have one bolus dose you give a break to your body during the rest of the time left before the next bolus dose. As GH raise BG while it's in your body, splitting keep the BG elevated all the time and increase insulin resistance. On the other hand if you split you get both benefit, before workout the combo with insulin and all the stuff we all know it does and before bed you have the release of FFA during the night while fasted etc.

BG control will be a bitch while splitting and using high dosage tho.

 

[Jaxino]

So let's say one is doing bolus dose of 10IU pre workout + insulin and insulin again post workout.

Would you split it 5IU pre WO and 5IU pre bed?

Or if you had the money would you do 10IU pre WO and 5IU before bed?

During day off would you reduce to 5IU pre bed to give the body a bit of rest from the insulin resistance? Or just bolus of 10IU pre bed?

It's all theoretical, I'm really interested in hearing from ppl that tried to delve into 10+ IU dosages territories

In general HGH timing is useless, just inject it when you are more comfortable.

I prefer to use HGH full dose before bed because it's how it works in our body.... I don't think that splitting it or injecting it in different times gives anything useful.

I have used up to 20iu Generics and the more the better, with an high enough dose of test had no BG control issues, always around 80ish fasted.

 

[eery]

What benefit would there be to doing the split dosage preworkout/PM vs PM?

I dont know if there is any actual advantage of pinning GH preworkout(?)

From my own knowledge, i would opt to pin it all before bed both from an IGF1 output and from an insulin sensitivity POV

Depending if you get any sides like excessive water retention, CTS or insulin sensitivity, i would run it everyday.

 

[Sampei]

What benefit would there be to doing the split dosage preworkout/PM vs PM?

I dont know if there is any actual advantage of pinning GH preworkout(?)

From my own knowledge, i would opt to pin it all before bed both from an IGF1 output and from an insulin sensitivity POV

Depending if you get any sides like excessive water retention, CTS or insulin sensitivity, i would run it everyday.

You want it pre workout with insulin because you have the IGF peek 3 hours later when you have finished working out and you are eating your pre workout meal with insulin so you have the combo high igf + insulin shuttling stuff into your muscles

 

[GearUnit]

If your fingers et carpel tunnel
Then take s day off and do 12iu and see how it goes.

When I do higer doses over 10iu and trying to work up to 20iu it might take some weeks on eod before you are comfortable on the high dose
Also a decent diet and cardio.

Hope you get better soon bro

 

[GearUnit]

I do all at night I stopped split it. Makes zero different for me.

 

[eery]

If your fingers et carpel tunnel
Then take s day off and do 12iu and see how it goes.

When I do higer doses over 10iu and trying to work up to 20iu it might take some weeks on eod before you are comfortable on the high dose
Also a decent diet and cardio.

Hope you get better soon bro

can you share some of the difference in results, good and bad, you have seen from different doses of HGH? lets say 4-6iu vs 8-12iu vs 15-20iu

 

[GearUnit]

Lots of water og numb hands when at 20iu.
Did it gave me more gains that 12iu.
I looked very full and crazy pump.but I need straps for all me lift.

Yeah but most water in the muscle. I would never do lower than 8-10iu. Only use when getting back on HGH. I only use generic. 4-6 IU I did not see that much different.
I bumped it to 12. I look more round and I could eat more shit and looked better.

 

[brutaltarik]

Lots of water og numb hands when at 20iu.
Did it gave me more gains that 12iu.
I looked very full and crazy pump.but I need straps for all me lift.

Yeah but most water in the muscle. I would never do lower than 8-10iu. Only use when getting back on HGH. I only use generic. 4-6 IU I did not see that much different.
I bumped it to 12. I look more round and I could eat more shit and looked better.

even 4ius gives me pretty strong CTS. Can't imagine 20iu

 

[eery]

You want it pre workout with insulin because you have the IGF peek 3 hours later when you have finished working out and you are eating your pre workout meal with insulin so you have the combo high igf + insulin shuttling stuff into your muscles

But if igf1s halflife is around 12-15 hours, i dont see how this would be relevant to manipulate within such a short time window. Unless, its over 12-15 hours since you last pinned GH, to maintain the elevated IGF1 levels.

If it was to utilize the FFA moblization effect of hgh postworkout, i guess that would make sense.

 

[Sampei]

But if igf1s halflife is around 12-15 hours, i dont see how this would be relevant to manipulate within such a short time window. Unless, its over 12-15 hours since you last pinned GH, to maintain the elevated IGF1 levels.

If it was to utilize the FFA moblization effect of hgh postworkout, i guess that would make sense.

The peak is at 3 hours then it goes down I believe, so if I pin at midnight by 12 of the next day is already quite lower and you want it to be at its peak instead . So you use the elevation of IGF with insulin. The FFA mobilization should be inhibited as you are drinking carbs during the workout and after the workout you have pwo meal. Am I wrong?

I'm mostly telling you what other ppl have told me and many coaches do. I'm no expert on the matter

 

[malfeasance]

the combo high igf + insulin shuttling stuff into your muscles

Insulin is a nutrient shuttling hormone.

Is growth hormone?

I ask growth hormone rather than IGF-1, even though you wrote IGF, because your IGF-1 levels are going to be rather stable and not three hours after.

Can you elaborate a little? Maybe I am just not understanding what you meant to say.

 

[Sampei]

Insulin is a nutrient shuttling hormone.

Is growth hormone?

I ask growth hormone rather than IGF-1, even though you wrote IGF, because your IGF-1 levels are going to be rather stable and not three hours after.

Can you elaborate a little? Maybe I am just not understanding what you meant to say.

Maybe I didn't understand shit about it. Everyone I spoke told me to pin hgh 3 hours before my post workout meal because then it's when it peak and inject insulin with the peak.

I thought it was the IGF level peaking even so I know that takes time to increase IGF level and it's not like it goes down to 0 after you stop pinning GH.

I gotta study more this shit damn it.

 

[bjjgear]

10 IU before bed here. Prefer to mimic the body’s natural release of GH as opposed to staying elevated 24/7.