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How do you frequently assess the effect on hair loss of your stack?
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Ghoul
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I think if you've noticed any signs of hair loss in the past on cycle, no, it's not going to be enough. It's going to slow it, and that's better than nothing. Doing it prior to cycle will strengthen follicles against the DHT assault. Keep it up after you come off cycle, you may get some regrowth once the elevated DHT pressure is off. So basically just do it always as baseline hair preservation. Since there are no negative effects there's no reason not to, and the minoxidil will thicken healthy hair and make it look better anyway. My female barber is on it and loves it.
If you know you have/will lose hair on cycle, Consider giving Give .25 EOD fin a try ON cycle. That should provide almost complete protection. You're gonna have a ton of DHT anyway, and no way will that tiny amount crash it. If it really affects you just stop, there aren't credible reports of long term affects from microdoses like that. I'm a 1% hyperresponder, and I can just barely feel some effects from .25 ED, twice as much. Sex is still fine. Loads reduced slightly but seem to be returning to normal. My hairfall has stopped completely. My scalp actually feels better. Regrowth will hopefully appear at 4 months and reach max results at 1 year.
I considered topical Finasteride, but I don't want some uncontrolled amount of Finasteride in my system given how badly it affects me.
karambit
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I take Oral minoxidil @ 2.5 mgs/day. Just started 2 weeks ago. I get some mild tachcardia at about 85 bpm, my usual resting is about 64- 75 bpm,
I couldnt tolerate the bloat and sexual sides with Oral fin. I get 5 mg proscar and was taking 1.25 mgs - 3 x weekly. I'll have to use my scale to try 0.25 mgs/day lol.
Do you have any dizziness or palpitations from Oral minoxidil @Ghoul ?
I couldnt tolerate the bloat and sexual sides with Oral fin. I get 5 mg proscar and was taking 1.25 mgs - 3 x weekly. I'll have to use my scale to try 0.25 mgs/day lol.
Do you have any dizziness or palpitations from Oral minoxidil @Ghoul ?
Ghoul
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Yes, same ingredient for both oral and topical. $22 for 4000 2.5mg doses lol. It's been around for 60 years so there's not much of mystery about the drug. A hospital in Italy accidentally overdosed a bunch of children with Minoxidil for a few weeks, and they turned into little werewolves. That's how its effect on hair growth was discovered. They returned to normal after a couple of months. The only reason topical came out for hair loss and not the pills, was that the pills were already generic and topical could be patented and sold without a prescription. It still gets into your system.
2.5mg is the starting dose. Because it opens tiny blood vessels some people rarely see a little water retention. That usually goes away after a couple of weeks. Never happened to me.
5mg does show better results. I met a top hair transplant surgeon who takes 2.5mg twice a day (because of the half life) for general hair health.
I'm lazy and take 5mg once a day.
Efficacy and Safety of Oral Minoxidil 5 mg Once Daily in the Treatment of Male Patients with Androgenetic Alopecia: An Open-Label and Global Photographic Assessment - PubMed
Oral minoxidil 5 mg once daily effectively increased hair growth in our male patients with AGA and had a good safety profile in healthy subjects. However, oral minoxidil should be used carefully with men who have severe hypertension and increased risk for cardiovascular events.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The pic on the right of each group of 3 is the result after 24 weeks 5mg once a day. The thickness of each strand and number of strands measured was significantly higher.
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Ghoul
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Maybe a little at the start. I've been on it for years now, and don't recall any sides beyond the first couple of weeks. That much proscar (finasteride) would make me suicidal. .25mg ED is ok. I was prepared to go to EOD but it doesn't seem to be necessary. I cut 1mg pills into quarters. I can buy a years worth for like $5 from India pharma.
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karambit
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Nice! were you able to regrow at all or maintain without a problem?
karambit
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Good solution. Thanks for the tip Re: India pharma
AlexDavis43
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Yep. If there are zero hairs in your sieve, get a better sieve.
If the number of hairs is uncountable, get started on hair loss prevention pronto.
Around 5-10 hairs per day is normal hair turnover.
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Hey guys, could it be a good idea to use ru for preventing hairloss before it starts or is there no point ?
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AlexDavis43
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Yep. If there are zero hairs in your sieve, get a better sieve.
If the number of hairs is uncountable, get started on hair loss prevention pronto.
Around 5-10 hairs per day is normal hair turnover.
RU for preventing hairloss
Hey guys, could it be a good idea to use ru for preventing hairloss before it starts or is there no point ?
Combine daily minoxidil with weekly microneedling (only takes a couple minutes). There was a study.
I use a Dr. Pen microneedle.
Ghoul
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The hair I have is thicker and grows faster. Some "miniaturized" hairs became close to normal. So there's visible fill in and overall looks much better. But it does nothing for the retreating hairline, because DHT is still hammering away at the follicles and will kill them eventually. Minxodil turns the clock back somewhat, but the DHT will eventually win.
If I ever get a transplant, you HAVE to go on finasteride, so I bit the bullet and decided to overcome my fear at start at a microdose. I never find strands in my hands when I shampoo now.
Ghoul
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I probably will. The best approach is doing a bunch of things and the combined results can be very impressive. Do you use Fin?
However, I can't stress enough, just keeping it to begin with is the easiest thing to do if someone has the foresight to start before they begin to lose. Everyone thinks they've got time. By the time you see a problem you're way down the path already, like everyone says.
A transplant looks OK at best and costs a fortune. You'll be on finasteride if you get one, so finding a dose that doesn't give you sides early can avoid all that and make you look a decade or more younger when you get into your 40's and beyond.
Men need to understand that whether you're in a stable relationship or not, you could be single later, and if you're fit, have some success under your belt, and a little game, you can get with women 20-30 years younger. But the hair is a major obstacle if it looks like crap, unless you look good bald. Think of your future self. Unlike women, we get 2nd, even 3rd acts.
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TomGlass
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At the end of the day I'll stand over a dry sink and rub my head with the drain stopper in. Shake all the loose hair out and assess. I don't count them I just note if it's more or less visually. I use 5mg OM and Ru58841 and I've kept everything while on high test/npp. Currently on tren with dbol and have noticed an increase in shedding.
O yeah and wipe up all the hairs with wet TP. Gotta keep the trap hair free unless you like cleaning out nasty shit every few months.
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O yeah and wipe up all the hairs with wet TP. Gotta keep the trap hair free unless you like cleaning out nasty shit every few months.
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AlexDavis43
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I still have my hair and it's not shedding [yet], so it's preventative at this point. I'd consider topical fin if I start shedding.
This:
Agreed. Prevention is the best we got, if we choose to continue using drugs that cause hair thinning/loss.
slightlyam
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I have been dealing with this for a long time, I have researched for years, and my advice is: if you have the mental fortitude, shave. Say fuck it and continue your life as if it's not happening.
The issue is that dht is amazing. Is amazing for your drive, is amazing for your happiness, is amazing for your libido, is amazing to have a chiseled face, is amazing to have a chiseled body. And you cant have it in your body and not go bald at the same time unless you dont really have AGA (or you have some weak ass version of it).
Anything topical will go systemic. No discussion.
Oral minoxidil is a fucking miracle, and relatively side effect free, but with dht in your body is only buying you some time. Will make you hairy and maybe bloat you
The issue is that dht is amazing. Is amazing for your drive, is amazing for your happiness, is amazing for your libido, is amazing to have a chiseled face, is amazing to have a chiseled body. And you cant have it in your body and not go bald at the same time unless you dont really have AGA (or you have some weak ass version of it).
Anything topical will go systemic. No discussion.
Oral minoxidil is a fucking miracle, and relatively side effect free, but with dht in your body is only buying you some time. Will make you hairy and maybe bloat you
Ghoul
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I went from relatively low body hair to full on gorilla, lol.! It must be the gear minoxidil combo. My place started looking like I had a 5 shedding german shepherds in here, hair everywhere, until I realized it was me!
This thread is amazing, people caring so much about their appearance that they resort to counting hair in the sink.
So sad that if to feel good you have to destroy your body with dht blockers.
Shave it, men should not care about hair, it’s useless for them.
Ghoul
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Your appearance determines in large part how the world treats you. That's the reality, regardless of what we think about it.
Yes, hair is only a small part of your appearance though.
BachmanityInsanity
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Wow thanks for so many replies !
I’ll start the over the sink hair count with dry hair if that sounds good?
I could wash my hair in the sink though and get a hair strainer/catcher instead.
Ok so some notes I made
a) I’d love to look good with a shaved head and then I’d blast the crap out of cycles. But I’ve shaved my head in the past and I look terrible. It’s brutal how bad it makes me look.
I’ve decided to stop all cycles for the foreseeable future until I get a handle on the hair loss solution
The photo below is similar to my hair thinning, mine goes a little further forward but isn’t as bad on the crown.
b)Why can’t you use ketoconozole shampoo every day for better protection?
c) Oral minox sounds way better than topical just because of the sheer ball ache of putting a topical on my scalp every single night (or worse twice a day). Can you buy pharma oral minox?
d) Is it worth trying finasteride before dutasteride? I’ve got 90 Avodart, so 6 months worth at 3 pills a week.
I know Dut has a 6 week half life so you need to start low and slow or feeling awful is going to last a long time.
So if I go straight to Dut, start at one Avodart per week?
e) Would you get DHT bloods before ever going on a 5AR inhibitor? The idea being if you need to stop because of side effects you have a baseline DHT to discuss with your doctor
Thanks again
I’ll start the over the sink hair count with dry hair if that sounds good?
I could wash my hair in the sink though and get a hair strainer/catcher instead.
Ok so some notes I made
a) I’d love to look good with a shaved head and then I’d blast the crap out of cycles. But I’ve shaved my head in the past and I look terrible. It’s brutal how bad it makes me look.
I’ve decided to stop all cycles for the foreseeable future until I get a handle on the hair loss solution
The photo below is similar to my hair thinning, mine goes a little further forward but isn’t as bad on the crown.
b)Why can’t you use ketoconozole shampoo every day for better protection?
c) Oral minox sounds way better than topical just because of the sheer ball ache of putting a topical on my scalp every single night (or worse twice a day). Can you buy pharma oral minox?
d) Is it worth trying finasteride before dutasteride? I’ve got 90 Avodart, so 6 months worth at 3 pills a week.
I know Dut has a 6 week half life so you need to start low and slow or feeling awful is going to last a long time.
So if I go straight to Dut, start at one Avodart per week?
e) Would you get DHT bloods before ever going on a 5AR inhibitor? The idea being if you need to stop because of side effects you have a baseline DHT to discuss with your doctor
Thanks again
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Ghoul
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B) You can certainly use it every day. The only downside it dries your hair quite a bit. That may or not be an issue depending on how oily your hair is, so you may need to follow with a conditioner.
C. Oral Minox is unquestionably superior, While sides are minimal, fleeting, and very rarely an issue they tend to present when initiating use. The most common is a little water retention (bloat). So perhaps start with 2.5mg/day for a few weeks, then move to x2 a day or just 5mg. Stick with it and the water retention almost always fades away as your body gets accustomed to it.
Despite my efforts, no UGL lab makes it yet. Generic Asia says they will. Pharma is the only option currently. If you have good insurance and a willing dermatologist you could get a prescription. You could go to Sesame and get a telemedicine appointment for a prescription for $39. Even without insurance with GoodRX two months worth of Minox would be $10. Finally, PCT24x7 sells 10 packs of 5mg Minoxytop after current sale for $3.85, So about $11.50 a month. Still far cheaper than foam which is closer to $50/mo but It was only $1.40 a month ago, lol. I would buy a years worth and offer him $2 per 10 pack since that's 50 packs.
D: Dutasteride is potent and a last resort when Fin is ineffective. It's really best to keep the dosages down of DHT inhibitors. Most people do well on 1mg/ED of Fin or less. I would start with .25mg/ED and see if you still find hairs in your hands after shampooing after two weeks. If so up it to .50mg, two weeks and then 1mg if necessary. 1mg is the "standard" starting point treatment for hair loss, but it was brutal for me so I'm very cautious. .25mg has been fine after the first week, and hair fall is essentially zero now.
Your hair looks like it's at the "very recoverable" with intervention stage. I've seen crowns like that fully fill in with fin/minox for a year. Should start seeing visible results after 4 months. The Minox will trigger the natural shed stage in order to "reset" the follicles for a more robust growth cycle. This is normal when initiating topical or oral minox and completely normal, don't panic when seeing lots of shed for the first week to ten days.
D. Bloods are often useful with what we do but not with DHT. The reason is outcomes for DHT processes are less dependent on how much DHT we have than the extremely variable level of sensitivity we have for it. Some men are seemingly immune to high levels, and need a lot to function, men with Male Pattern Baldness are more sensitive to varying degrees, only need a tiny amount to feel good, and lose hair (and get enlarged prorates) with even moderate amounts.
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