How does this LIGHT DNP cycle look?

[kilsong]

This is my first DNP cycle. Have 50 mg DNP caps on hand.
Currently on Tren Ace 75mg EOD and Test 150mg per week.

Age:46
Height: 6'4
Weight: 255 lbs
Unknown bodyfat %--but below 15% but I'm in shape with medium visual abs.
Extremely vascular.

I know everybody says to start at 200mg per day to assess tolerance, but I'm starting at 100mg.

Day 1-100mg
Day 2-100mg
Day 3-100mg

IF its I haven't had an allergic reaction, day 4 forward looks as follows:

Day 4-200mg
Day 5-200mg
Day 6-200mg

IF all is bearable, day 7 forward will look as follows:

Day 7-300mg
Day 8-300mg
Day 9-300mg
Day 10-300mg

Perhaps-300 or even 400 mg for an additional 3-5 days.

I'll be applying standard precautions with supplements and high water intake.

Suggestions? Comments? Concerns?

 

[Docd187123]

Agree. No need for petty shit. Just pissed lately at how slow my recovery has been going. Taking it out on everyone. My apologies.

Shit like you've been through takes time. Don't rush the process. You'll be back to normal soon enough.

I hope your cousin is ok also. My cousin is like a brother to me and I would be devastated if he got hurt or sick.

 

[Rook2135]

Agree. No need for petty shit. Just pissed lately at how slow my recovery has been going. Taking it out on everyone. My apologies.

No worries I know your trying to warn people of the dangers of some of these drugs.

 

[Holistic]

I like to stay at 200mg of dnp for 2 to 3 weeks.... I always lose an amazing amount of fat. When I go to 300 or 400mg... Too many sides for me at work... Sweating and such...I would drop the tren or wait til you are done with the tren... My secret is dbol while on dnp... Makes me feel good and I can maintain energy levels...

 

[hurricane]

Shit like you've been through takes time. Don't rush the process. You'll be back to normal soon enough.

I hope your cousin is ok also. My cousin is like a brother to me and I would be devastated if he got hurt or sick.

I walked to much on Halloween with the kids. Paying for it now. Have to be smarter then that. Not even 2 weeks post op. Only myself to blame. And yeah my cousin was in the hospital 3 days but was OK. They just couldn't get his temperature down. But his starting dose was very high.

 

[Rook2135]

I walked to much on Halloween with the kids. Paying for it now. Have to be smarter then that. Not even 2 weeks post op. Only myself to blame. And yeah my cousin was in the hospital 3 days but was OK. They just couldn't get his temperature down. But his starting dose was very high.

Relax brother. Youl be ok just listen to your doctors and take it easy.

 

[Big-Amsterdam]

question:
it is said dnp chrystals increase metabolism with 11% for every 100mg yuo take. does this include the calories you burn with for instance workout/cardio?
so supose your basic metabolism is 2500kcl a day. suppose you take 400mg dnp chrystals a day that is 2500+(4*0.11*2500)=2500+1100=3600 kcal
but suppose you do in a day cardio and burn 600kcal with this. does this mean with 400mg dnp your total kcal burn will be 3600+(4*0.11*600)=3600+264=3864??

so does this 11% increase in metabolism go for every kcal you burn?

thanks

 

[Rook2135]

question:
it is said dnp chrystals increase metabolism with 11% for every 100mg yuo take. does this include the calories you burn with for instance workout/cardio?
so supose your basic metabolism is 2500kcl a day. suppose you take 400mg dnp chrystals a day that is 2500+(4*0.11*2500)=2500+1100=3600 kcal
but suppose you do in a day cardio and burn 600kcal with this. does this mean with 400mg dnp your total kcal burn will be 3600+(4*0.11*600)=3600+264=3864??

so does this 11% increase in metabolism go for every kcal you burn?

thanks

Its actually 4464 Calories burned in a day not 3864. Its easier to calculate like this 2500 +600 = 3100 this is your total cal burned in the day with exercise included.
Now 3100 ×.44 percent is 4464 total calories burned.

 

[Big-Amsterdam]

great. i am currently on my second DNP chrystal cycle; 600mg/day, now day 4 try to get it to 14 days. together with this i use 200mg/week test e, 1500mg taurine, some l-carnithine, 1500-2000kcal a day. prot:carbs:fat 60:30:10. my stats: 45years, 94kg, 15%fat, 1.78m

i have 5 'weight' working out days; 45 min weights and then 30min light cardio (abs/walking fast pace/stair climber machine). on days that i dont do weights i do 60 min cardio. last time i did 600mg/day after about 1 week i was so completely out of energy that i only did go to gym 4 days a week. i try to loose 2kg of fat a week.

how does this cycle sounds? any comments?

 

[GearGodess]

Of course DNP IS catabolic (as its known not to be anabolic or anticatabolic) unless you believe DNPs mechanism of action involves lipolysis exclusively, and that's NOT been proven to be the case.

The entropy which occurs bc of DNP involves all energy sources.

However whether or not lipolysis is the primary source of entropy is a matter of debate since most of the data was derived from "studies" in the 1930s to 1950s.

To that end its difficult to say if any of the data from that era is evidence based, especially when compared to contemporary standards.

FYI since you never post any studies or proof and it is all just your opinion on DNP especially... I'll leave this here so you can have a true reference. I came across this and wanted to leave it here for you to read up on.

Several studies have shown DNP to spare muscle catabolism.

How it works? Taken from examine.com :

4.1. Uncoupling and Metabolic Rate

Dinitrophenol can stimulate oxygen consumption in cells[7] and a general spike in the metabolic rate[2] at around an 11% increase per 100mg Dinitrophenol consumed.[8]

Under normal metabolic conditions, 1 ATP molecules are created during one passing of Acetyl-CoA through the Kreb's Cycle (The TCA) and many energy intermediates are produced in addition to the lone ATP; these energy intermediates go through oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria to produce an additional 11 ATP. Dinitrophenol is an oxidative phosphorylation inhibitor, and prevents these 11 additional ATP from being formed by interfering with inorganic phosphorus uptake into the mitochondria (needed for ATP synthesis) and also acting as an ionophore, which drastically hinders the electrochemical gradient in the mitochondria required for ATP synthesis.[9][10][11] It is the shift in the electrochemical gradient that causes the fat loss, as the excess ions that carried potential energy (calories) are dissipated as heat.[12]

About DNP being carcinogenic, taken from the EPA:


No information is available on the carcinogenic effects of 2,4-dinitrophenol in humans. (1)
One study reported that 2,4-dinitrophenol did not promote tumor development in mice. (1,5)
EPA has not classified 2,4-dinitrophenol for potential carcinogenicity. (4

 

[Dr JIM]

FYI since you never post any studies or proof and it is all just your opinion on DNP especially... I'll leave this here so you can have a true reference. I came across this and wanted to leave it here for you to read up on.

Several studies have shown DNP to spare muscle catabolism.

How it works? Taken from examine.com :

4.1. Uncoupling and Metabolic Rate

Dinitrophenol can stimulate oxygen consumption in cells[7] and a general spike in the metabolic rate[2] at around an 11% increase per 100mg Dinitrophenol consumed.[8]

Under normal metabolic conditions, 1 ATP molecules are created during one passing of Acetyl-CoA through the Kreb's Cycle (The TCA) and many energy intermediates are produced in addition to the lone ATP; these energy intermediates go through oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria to produce an additional 11 ATP. Dinitrophenol is an oxidative phosphorylation inhibitor, and prevents these 11 additional ATP from being formed by interfering with inorganic phosphorus uptake into the mitochondria (needed for ATP synthesis) and also acting as an ionophore, which drastically hinders the electrochemical gradient in the mitochondria required for ATP synthesis.[9][10][11] It is the shift in the electrochemical gradient that causes the fat loss, as the excess ions that carried potential energy (calories) are dissipated as heat.[12]

About DNP being carcinogenic, taken from the EPA:


No information is available on the carcinogenic effects of 2,4-dinitrophenol in humans. (1)
One study reported that 2,4-dinitrophenol did not promote tumor development in mice. (1,5)
EPA has not classified 2,4-dinitrophenol for potential carcinogenicity. (4

And where do any of these "studies" state the effects of DNP spare muscle catabolism?
Rat DNP studies can not be compared to HUMANS bc RATS are able to metabolize and convert BAT into WAT and vice versa something HUMANS can NOT do!

I don't know why you have listed the effects of DNP as a non-carcinogen bc IVE NEVER made such an assertion.

Finally your missing the point completely if you believe my objection to DNP is anything more than the fact it's another quick fix remedy for those with obesity, with a multitude of side effects, that nothing to offer and at greater risk over existing therapy.

No matter how YOU want to spin the truth DNP IS A TOXIN, so much so If any physician was to prescribe or recommend such a therapy and was sued, they just as well write the check!

Is there a reason you failed to post a LINK, Author, Title, Journal to these study excerpts, all listed on A "SUPPLEMENT REVIEW" BLOG?

You did read the studies you cited didn't you? Or did you believe "Examines.coms" interpretation was evidence based?

 

[Dr JIM]

Incidentally almost all of my "opinions" on DNP are evidence based facts providing you're familiar with human physiology and existing DNP literature.

We can all post DNP citations, as you have done and state OUR interpretations of the data but when scrutinized is nothing more than extrapolated BS, based on bias and beliefs.

And to that end I'd like for you to list which comments of mine are opinion rather than evidence based with respect to DNP or would you rather try to prove the risk of DNP is "worth" the benefit, considering the FACT this substance is listed as a POISON by the FDA and thats NO OPINION! gal!

 

[Dr JIM]

Here is a study that "proves" the uncoupling of oxidative phosphorlation reduces the redux potential and the subsequent formation of free radicals all of which allowed the involved MICE to live a day or two longer!

So DNP will not only allow one to lose weight, but will also enhance longevity, of course NOT.


Interestingly the same results might could be achieved by REDUCING oxygen consuming aerobic activity, but are we now to assume exercise is BAD rather than GOOD

 

[Dr JIM]

This in-vitro study conducted on RATs evaluated the effect of DNP on cardiac enzymes such as CPK, and DNP unequivocally raised CPK levels in a dose dependent manner.

Oh and as an FYI, bc the RAT myocardium is VERY similar to the human heart anatomically and physiologically such data may be extrapolated to homosapiens

Similar derangements, elevated CPK levels, have been noted in human DNP case studies. This strongly suggests DNP exerts such a catabolic effect on skeletal muscle and that cellular necrosis (death) may be the end result. But for anyone to opine DNP somehow "spares SKM catabolism" when the underlying MOA is varying degrees of anaerobic metabolism is ludicrous

The second citation is an excellent review article and is being posted bc it highlights DNPs MOA and adverse effects.

The third article discusses the influence of DNP on nervous tissue generation of "action potential" or the ability to propagate and initiate electrical impulses.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oops the first article was an abstract only. I'll look for the full text as I know it's in my "folders" somewhere arg.

"OPINIONS" NOT!

 

[Roger rabbit]

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[GearGodess]

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[GearGodess]

Oops the first article was an abstract only. I'll look for the full text as I know it's in my "folders" somewhere arg.

"OPINIONS" NOT!

All your posts are fine and dandy but you fail to post the other stuff... yes I agree with you that it is a toxin but ironically enough, what has classified it as such is due to the side effects of being exposed to it... sweating, weight loss, etc. ..and that's the main purpose it was introduced by doctors in the first place. Doctors do make mistakes and aren't right all the time. They kill people on daily basis. Because of the findings in those factories with people who worked with it. Besides that was also the 20's and 30's where people were more or less experimented on and there was no real protocol for it. People were running insane doses yet the fatalities are really not that high considering but the dnp did it's job. It was the doctor's mistakes that caused this plus ignorant people that got in trouble with it on more recent years. That's also partly due to the lack of studies. It was easier to just brush it under the mat and never speak of it. Just tell everyone it's poison... there is risk and chance of death with most if not all other chemicals and drugs...

I'm not recommending anyone to use dnp but if they do then they better make an educated decision and be smart with it. It's a very effective compound if used right/safely and just because you think it's no good, doesn't mean it really is. That's just your bias opinion. There are just as many people who had very successful runs with it and without any problems.

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[Roger rabbit]

All your posts are fine and dandy but you fail to post the other stuff... yes I agree with you that it is a toxin but ironically enough, what has classified it as such is due to the side effects of being exposed to it... sweating, weight loss, etc. ..and that's the main purpose it was introduced by doctors in the first place. Doctors do make mistakes and aren't right all the time. They kill people on daily basis. Because of the findings in those factories with people who worked with it. Besides that was also the 20's and 30's where people were more or less experimented on and there was no real protocol for it. People were running insane doses yet the fatalities are really not that high considering but the dnp did it's job. It was the doctor's mistakes that caused this plus ignorant people that got in trouble with it on more recent years. That's also partly due to the lack of studies. It was easier to just brush it under the mat and never speak of it. Just tell everyone it's poison... there is risk and chance of death with most if not all other chemicals and drugs...

I'm not recommending anyone to use dnp but if they do then they better make an educated decision and be smart with it. It's a very effective compound if used right/safely and just because you think it's no good, doesn't mean it really is. That's just your bias opinion. There are just as many people who had very successful runs with it and without any problems.

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And don't be bias either... finish the statement with many people had unsuccessful runs and died .

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[GearGodess]

And don't be bias either... finish the statement with many people had unsuccessful runs and died .

This wouldn't be a real dnp thread if I didn't add this in [emoji51]


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I'm not being bias. I'm being smart. I used think the worse of it too but I was being ignorant. Then started learning about it and found that there are more dangerous things out there than dnp. Don't get me wrong, dnp isn't for rookies. It's some potent stuff. And those who chose to use it, better learn everything they can so they can understand it. It's simply a love or hate compound... those who understand it and use it safely and those ignorant who just don't care and think it's a joke then are stupid about it and get in trouble...

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[GearGodess]

It will always be a controversial topic on forums with those for it and those against it. Period.

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