How long do you think you can safely keep going, and what kind of expectations can you have as you get older?

[jJjburton]

I can’t get above lean 180 lbs at 6’2” no matter what I take, it seems. Been blasting 500g-1000g for like half a year now just trying to grow but muscles never get bigger, lifts never increase.

How long you been trying?

 

[lukiss96]

Why this thread is going off topic?

Damn it, create a new thread and ask questions there with your problems.

I'm gonna tell you straight up that you will get flamed for asking such stupid question, but at least you will know what to do next if you actually listen, instead of stealing the thread.

 

[Astartes]

I think we all know that steroids cause long-term health problems, and we likewise know that most of them really start hitting home after 30+ years, particularly heart issues.

I started very late--in my 30s--and I started with TRT. I switched to UGL because my doctor changed the way he was working, and required a weekly office visit instead of writing a prescription and doing a monthly blood test; the cost went from being $100/mo to over $500 out of pocket. I'm now in my very late 40s, getting close to my 50s, so I've been on TRT for well over a decade, and my HPTA is in total shutdown, and likely can never recover (I'm okay with this). I had to take an enforced break due to a nagging back injury and covid, and now I'm back. I'm on a higher dose of test, but still just test, at least until I get some of my fitness back.

So, if I'm not planning on doing masters BB competitions or Olympic/power lifting, and I'm mostly concerned with looking good, being strong, having great cardio, and not feeling like shit, how long would y'all estimate that I can go on and off full cycles before I need my first heart bypass, or just croak from a massive heart attack? With the exception of RBC when I was on a lot of EQ, my blood values overall have traditionally looked good.

Is it realistic to think that, if I can keep it up for a decade (into my late 50s), that I'm going to have the physique of someone that's in their mid-30s? Or is there something else about aging, aside from changing hormone levels, that's going to prevent me from adding strength, fitness, and muscle at a decent rate? I know that a lot of the weight gain that older people tend to experience has a lot more to do with changes in activity levels than anything else.

OP. It’s a realistic expectation for many individuals well in to 70s depending on genetics and compounds. Legit TRT? 80s. Potentially longer. (Precluding predispositions to heart attacks, strokes etc,)

You are much more likely to get Cancer or any other number of potential health risks people not taking exogenous hormones are exposed to than something from TRT levels of treatment with Testosterone.

It is your lifting that must change, and expectations for power. Your diet is also critical. ….C R I T I C A L … at 65+

There are a number of examples of men in amazing shape out there in their 80s on TRT or TRT+.

I personally know two men who are retired doctors. One 77 and one 82 who take TRT with Deca and HGH and have done so (at least test) since the late 70s!! They look 10-15 years younger and have strong upright bodies.

That said, exposure to harsh compounds in past potentially changes the lens. However, much is reversible by reverting to true TRT (100-150 mg weekly)

I would argue that even 100-150 Test and 50-100 Deca is a legitimately long term TRT solution for _most_ otherwise healthy individuals.

 

[lukiss96]

OP. It’s a realistic expectation for many individuals well in to 70s depending on genetics and compounds. Legit TRT? 80s. Potentially longer. (Precluding predispositions to heart attacks, strokes etc,)

You are much more likely to get Cancer or any other number of potential health risks people not taking exogenous hormones are exposed to than something from TRT levels of treatment with Testosterone.

It is your lifting that must change, and expectations for power. Your diet is also critical. ….C R I T I C A L … at 65+

There are a number of examples of men in amazing shape out there in their 80s on TRT or TRT+.

I personally know two men who are retired doctors. One 77 and one 82 who take TRT with Deca and HGH and have done so (at least test) since the late 70s!! They look 10-15 years younger and have strong upright bodies.

That said, exposure to harsh compounds in past potentially changes the lens. However, much is reversible by reverting to true TRT (100-150 mg weekly)

I would argue that even 100-150 Test and 50-100 Deca is a legitimately long term TRT solution for _most_ otherwise healthy individuals.

Thanks for sharing, it's good to hear that older people still can and do kick ass while being able to use Testosterone.

My ultimate destination is true trt like you say ~150mg hopefully when I reach my 50's.

 

[Astartes]

Thanks for sharing, it's good to hear that older people still can and do kick ass while being able to use Testosterone.

My ultimate destination is true trt like you say ~150mg hopefully when I reach my 50's.

Right? The 77 year old guy Jack, he benches 225 for sets still. Which is incredible. He is about my height at around 6’.

Both of them also seem to have fairly significant cognitive clarity which they attribute to hormone balance and quality diets over decades.

That is huge in my book. Both are inspirations.

 

[Bumpygooch]

I can’t get above lean 180 lbs at 6’2” no matter what I take, it seems. Been blasting 500g-1000g for like half a year now just trying to grow but muscles never get bigger, lifts never increase.

Your diet is shit. You’ve derailed the thread, start a new one. To contribute to the original post. I turned 50 last month. I do 2 blasts a year. Keep my dosage under 1g total. Take all the prophylactics(telmisartan, metfformin, etc). Make sure to keep BP in check as well as HCT/HGB by donating every 4 weeks(I have an HCT issue). Stick to bio identical compounds, with the exception of primo, and that’s it. Have your diet dialed in, do your cardio, and you shouldn’t have any problems making progress. I just went over the 270 plateau last week, never been this big. Whether or not that’s entirely healthy at this age or even intelligent is another story.

 

[DECLAN]

Look at the alternative lifestyle and health state if you stop with hormone use and the lifting right now or in the future.

Observe your parents or relatives in their 50s-70s and try to picture yourself in their shoes with and without AAS. Then assess if the risk is worth the reward.

I'm in my early 40's and have been in trt for just 2 years, and just at this age I have seen people in my age range face health problems ranging from diabetes, kidney problems and cardiovascular diseases just by unhealthy lifestyle and no exercise regiments.

I'd rather deal with the consequences of aas rather than become like them period.

 

[Jin23]

I am in my late 40s. On trt for the past 20yr with a break only when I got my wife pregnant. Usually test 120mg-160mg and the last few years I added Nandrolone at 70-100/week. Bloodwork every 3-4 months and I visit my cardiologist every 2yr.

I feel great, my markers are within range and I am definitely far better that I was when test was in the gutter before trt.

I occasionally blast but doses are moderate like 700mg total. No tren or other harsh compounds test,Nandrolone,mast and eq. No orals.

I will probably live a longer and better life than I would have if I haven't started this regiment.

As the saying goes: poison is in the dosage.

Curious, what does your echocardiogram say? And has your arterial calcium score increased much? Have you employed any other diagnostic tools? Arterial stiffness maybe?

 

[narta]

Curious, what does your echocardiogram say? And has your arterial calcium score increased much? Have you employed any other diagnostic tools? Arterial stiffness maybe?

Echo is normal, left ventricle is on the upper limit but not outside. Agatston score is 0 last time I did it. ApoB is low 40s but I am genetically blessed in the cv department both my parents do not have ANY heart issue relative to cholesterol and plaque.

 

[Jin23]

Echo is normal, left ventricle is on the upper limit but not outside. Agatston score is 0 last time I did it. ApoB is low 40s but I am genetically blessed in the cv department both my parents do not have ANY heart issue relative to cholesterol and plaque.

Are you doing echo's regularly? How much changes are you seeing in year to year ...?

That's great about the lipids.

 

[RzSco]

Your diet is shit. You’ve derailed the thread, start a new one. To contribute to the original post. I turned 50 last month. I do 2 blasts a year. Keep my dosage under 1g total. Take all the prophylactics(telmisartan, metfformin, etc). Make sure to keep BP in check as well as HCT/HGB by donating every 4 weeks(I have an HCT issue). Stick to bio identical compounds, with the exception of primo, and that’s it. Have your diet dialed in, do your cardio, and you shouldn’t have any problems making progress. I just went over the 270 plateau last week, never been this big. Whether or not that’s entirely healthy at this age or even intelligent is another story.

I apologise for derailing the thread, wasn’t my intention.
My comment was kinda to say… is it the steroid dosages themselves or is it the inhuman amounts of muscle mass that kill you in the end?

Who is running more risk, me for example perma blasting 500mg of test to try and gain 5 lbs a year as a 190lb twink, or a guy who manages to maintain 250 lbs lean on a TRT dose?

 

[narta]

Are you doing echo's regularly? How much changes are you seeing in year to year ...?

That's great about the lipids.

Every 2yrs since I am a low risk, it would be every 5yrs but cardiologist is a friend and knows about my usage. No changes really. Telmisartan might have played a role though I am on it the last 2 years. In 2019 I was on the verge of crossing the upper range, but I was at the tail end of the cycle, no telmi yet and at higher bodyweight. It partly reversed and it now sitting at 54mm

 

[narta]

Who is running more risk, me for example perma blasting 500mg of test to try and gain 5 lbs a year as a 190lb twink, or a guy who manages to maintain 250 lbs lean on a TRT dose?

Depends on genetic predisposition, but all things considered equal, a higher bw is always a higher risk factor, fat or muscle

 

[4Drago]

I am in my late 40s. On trt for the past 20yr with a break only when I got my wife pregnant. Usually test 120mg-160mg and the last few years I added Nandrolone at 70-100/week. Bloodwork every 3-4 months and I visit my cardiologist every 2yr.

I feel great, my markers are within range and I am definitely far better that I was when test was in the gutter before trt.

I occasionally blast but doses are moderate like 700mg total. No tren or other harsh compounds test,Nandrolone,mast and eq. No orals.

I will probably live a longer and better life than I would have if I haven't started this regiment.

As the saying goes: poison is in the dosage.

This is what I'm talking about. You recommend someone on another post to titrate up and double their tren dose and then add an oral. Yet, you'll never do tren with an oral (way to toxic)...amazing bud. Just amazing. Then you'll defend your point to the end.

 

[narta]

This is what I'm talking about. You recommend someone on another post to titrate up and double their tren dose and then add an oral. Yet, you'll never do tren with an oral (way to toxic)...amazing bud. Just amazing. Then you'll defend your point to the end.

I am in my late 40s he is 21 you incomprehensible stone pickle.

wtf is wrong with you? You are too old to be that dumb.

 

[4Drago]

I am in my late 40s he is 21 you incomprehensible stone pickle.

wtf is wrong with you? You are too old to be that dumb.

You're doing it again. Because yes, high tren and anadrol are great together. Who needs a liver and kidneys.

 

[narta]

You're doing it again. Because yes, high tren and anadrol are great together. Who needs a liver and kidneys.

Generations of powerlifters disagree with you by still breathing and with livers and kidneys working fine, but I know, fuck those guys the know fuck about shit.

Anyway, poison is in the dosage and if you can't comprehend that simple truth, it is what it is.

Welcome to the list.

 

[4Drago]

Generations of powerlifters disagree with you by still breathing and with livers and kidneys working fine, but I know, fuck those guys the know fuck about shit.

Anyway, poison is in the dosage and if you can't comprehend that simple truth, it is what it is.

Welcome to the list.

You're sure proud of your small self. Based off that OPs post, for all you knew it was his second cycle. But you recommend high tren and anadrol like it was the perfect choice. You've been on the list for awhile my friend.

 

[lukiss96]

I apologise for derailing the thread, wasn’t my intention.
My comment was kinda to say… is it the steroid dosages themselves or is it the inhuman amounts of muscle mass that kill you in the end?

Who is running more risk, me for example perma blasting 500mg of test to try and gain 5 lbs a year as a 190lb twink, or a guy who manages to maintain 250 lbs lean on a TRT dose?

Create your own damn thread and ask questions there!

This thread is meant for people who know what they're doing and want to stay safe while doing it. You need to learn a lot of things first then ask questions second.

 

[silntrunin]

Well to keep on topic im about to be 62 in less then a month.
Started using gear in my early 30s so been steadily using for 30 years.
Early years I went somewhat heavy (not compared to guys these days) but heavier then the average user since i competed for many years.
Past few years i had to take time off due to surgeries and not being able to train.
During that off time all blood markers went back to being well within range and no real long term health issues besides joint problems. Thats after well over 25 years of using. I can honestly say prior to the break for surgeries i hadnt come off completely in the last 15 years. Coming off was doing 300mg of test weekly for 4-6 weeks and then back on mainly 500mg test, 400-500mg tren and 50mg dbol was my go to cycles. Obviously when i was prepping for a show i changed things up but all in all ive been on gear pretty much non stop since i started.

Im guessing if i was gonna have long term effects theyd be showing up by now. Probably just jinxed myself. Lol

Now and days im just on 300-400mg test cyp and 2 ius gh ed.

Hoping to compete again if i ever recover completely from my back issues and i will pick things up again at that point if it happens.
But i honestly cant say ive had any long term problems associated with gear useage that i know of.
Probably never stop using if i dont have to.

Some will say im nuts but its my life and its what i choose to do so doesn't really matter to me what anyone thinks. I dont mean that to be nasty im just saying its your life live it how you want to not how someone else thinks you should.

Way worse things we can be addicted to i guess. I love to train even at my age and i love gear.
Old school die hard. ‍