Matt Muscle
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Yes Ciobl, I would also like to know why you consider sub-q injections so ridiculous?
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ciobl said:guys guys, you can't compare a pellet bioavailability on the subcutaneous area with the absorption of testosterone ( oil-based ) into the same....
please, prove me wrong and you are welcome to do so..until then i would think this is just a fad....
so am i supposed to take these other people's anecdotes on other forums as gospel ?
and then in the meantime everybody is contributing with the why's they think it works or why it doesn't ??
if you bump into any article by shippen about this...please redirect me to the link....until then is it a hoax or not ?
let me add something, so, let's say Ritchie posts his labs and they are awesome, and then everybody, including me get excited about it, right ?
is everybody the same, aren't we susceptible to any drug and future reactions and so forth in different ways ?
ciobl said:thank you for the compliment but i think its the other way around....
i'm not avoiding the question but did you check what the new bro marianco had to say about dopamine serotonin and GABA ?
ciobl said:thank you for the compliment but i think its the other way around....
i'm not avoiding the question but did you check what the new bro marianco had to say about dopamine serotonin and GABA ?
Albert said:I think that sub-q injections are the way to.
I did it for several months and found I had a couple of lumps where I had been injecting.
I got worried and started to do IM again, but found they disappeared in a few weeks and went back to sub-q again.
I am now trying Testogel, but thru lack of doctors support, I am thinking of going back to injections as I felt better doing weekly sub-q.
I think I would spend more time on needle lenght and position if I was to start again.
It will suit some people but not others, just as gels suit some and not others.
Later,
Albert.
I am going to start doing my Depo T shots subQ .35mls every 3 days. I have been doing 100IU's of HCG everyday and my E2 has settled down some. So this Tue. I am going to use my HCG 27 g 1ml x 1/2 lg for my T shots. We will soon see if E2 is less a problem doing this.1cc said:Albert,
Did you ever go back to doing SubQ injections? If so, do you have any labs showing the results of E2?
pmgamer18 said:I am going to start doing my Depo T shots subQ .35mls every 3 days. I have been doing 100IU's of HCG everyday and my E2 has settled down some. So this Tue. I am going to use my HCG 27 g 1ml x 1/2 lg for my T shots. We will soon see if E2 is less a problem doing this.
1cc said:Albert,
Did you ever go back to doing SubQ injections? If so, do you have any labs showing the results of E2?
SWALE said:1cc--That contradicts what was previously posted, which is that esterase is present in the muscle. It has been my understanding, as I said, that the test cyp does not remain partitioned within the muscle until the cypionate ester is completely removed.
I see no reason why there would be no aromatization of T into E with subQ injections. Not only will it occur once the t hits the bloodstream, but there is a significant amount of aromatase present within the skin and fat tissue.
SWALE said:Pellets release their T much more slowly than an injection of test cyp. An acceleration in androgen concentration also increases the activity of the aromatase enzyme.
I do expect SC test cyp injections to produce estrogen increases. Not as much as transdermal gels/creams, though.
pmgamer18 said:I am doing my Depo T shots every 3 days now doing 64mgs. I am finding a lot less E2 problem. But the change took time I think the Depo T was slow to get down from doing 150 mg. shots once a week. I have done 6 shots now on the 3 day a shot. The spike is all but gone now and I just feel the same from shot to shot. I use a 27g 1ml x 1/2 in lg. needle into my leg. I started doing my HCG 100 IU's everyday subQ today using same size needle. My Dr. said I can use this needle for T shots as long as I do them in my leg IM.