Injecting testosterone subcutaneously

Wouldn't this be the equivalent of having a T Cyp injection that lasted up to 24 hours instead of 30 seconds?

"Why are subcutaneous injections given?

These injections are given because there is little blood flow to fatty tissue, and the injected medication is generally absorbed more slowly, sometimes over 24 hours."
 
SPE said:
Phil,

How do you like the 27g needles compared to the 25g? Do you think the 1/2" is long enough to get into the muscle? Also, how are you going about drawing the test from the bottle? Do you have to heat it up to get it in there?
I like them much better then the 25g 3ml x 1" lg. A lot less pain. I don't have trouble getting it out of he vile. I pull the plunger down to .9 mls and hold it about 2 min. only need .32 mls to do my shot so it is coming out slow but it does not take to long. I just started on a new vile and it comes out slow but does not take to long.
 
Albert said:
I was injecting Sustanon SubQ, 1/2mg every 7 days no problems. I had a few small lumps where I had been injecting and when I read about the chance of abscesses I stopped.

The little lumps and bumps disappeared within a few weeks and now all clear. I still do it when I get sick of my legs aching and have had no problems.

As Swale has doubts of SubQ, I have backed off them, for that reason only.
If Swale gave the ok and a few do's and dont's then I would do it all the time.

I tried Testogel, but need to find a doctor who knows TRT as mine does not know his arse from his elbow.

Later,
Albert.
Albert,
How are you feeling on the sustanon? I didnt have much luck on it... I have been using Primoteston(enanthate) which does seem more reliable. Cyp is not available in OZ.
Do you think injecting it subcut evens it out more?
 
Matt Muscle said:
Albert,
How are you feeling on the sustanon? I didnt have much luck on it... I have been using Primoteston(enanthate) which does seem more reliable. Cyp is not available in OZ.
Do you think injecting it subcut evens it out more?


Matt, I think I need to fine tune the injections, I still don't feel right. These bush GP's have shit for brains and have no idea.

When I first went on Testogel the doctor told me one sachet a day, did not do a lot and felt down, back I go ask if I can go to 1 1/2 a day or 2 after bloods. Stuff me, anyone would think I wanted to start doing full training.

They read the guidelines and think one size fits all.

I may have to come to the city and try to find some one who know more then these bushes.

I have a real bad case of hating the local GP's at the moment and my opinion of the quality of care isn't very high, maybe best if I just shut up.:mad:

Matt, ping me off line if you want to know more.

Later,
Albert.
 
Matt Muscle said:
Albert,
How are you feeling on the sustanon? I didnt have much luck on it... I have been using Primoteston(enanthate) which does seem more reliable. Cyp is not available in OZ.
Do you think injecting it subcut evens it out more?


Matt, I think I need to fine tune the injections, I still don't feel right. These bush GP's have shit for brains and have no idea.

When I first went on Testogel the doctor told me one sachet a day, did not do a lot and felt down, back I go ask if I can go to 1 1/2 a day or 2 after bloods. Stuff me, anyone would think I wanted to start doing full training.

They read the guidelines and think one size fits all.

I may have to come to the city and try to find some one who know more then these bushes.

I have a real bad case of hating the local GP's at the moment and my opinion of the quality of care isn't very high, maybe best if I just shut up.:mad:

Matt, ping me off line if you want to know more.

Later,
Albert.
 
i think some1 should start a log of just them and there experiences day to day using sub-q injections.... listing any side effects and how they feel vs im or gels......... this would prob give us a better picture of how people feel using this method

i'm really interested with this... i'm on 120mg of test once a week and i just don't feel right
 
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1cc said:
Wouldn't this be the equivalent of having a T Cyp injection that lasted up to 24 hours instead of 30 seconds?
Well, the test cyp is in your system much long than even 24 hours, so "no."
 
mranak said:
Well, the test cyp is in your system much long than even 24 hours, so "no."

I know the T Cyp would be in the system for longer than 24 hours. I'm talking about the T Cyp being released into the blood over up to 24 hours when done SubQ vs IM where it would get into the blood much quicker.
 
STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
(p0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
of 50100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
evaluation.
 
Huge possible abcess, entire left gluteus maximus.

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My whole left gluteus maximus is hard as hell and swollen bad. Not hot or red but I have a 106.5-107.3 temperature and feel kinda sick. It is swollen from one side to the other, the whole part of the muscle.

It was just a shot that I felt bad about right as I did it. I think it wasn't fully healed from the last shot, I hit it with 1.5ml of npp/test prop and my angle was just ****ed, I blew it. I always clean and everything, just bad luck I guess.

Gonna probly go to th edoc tomorrow and tell em I sat on sewing pin or something. Probly get some antibiotics. I had some amoxicillin left over from my child but we threw it out

Just heads up, do your shots carefully and if it feels wrong, re do it. This hurts bad. Gotta use a NSAI and I never use em anymore.

Have fun with your abcess------------
 
I am considering SubQ shots. This is an old thread. Any new information or current users?

I have been on TRT for 13 years. The first few were IM Test Cyp. Then I went to gels/creams. For some reason, it seems I am not absorbing them as well anymore and I am considering going back to shots.
 
I am considering SubQ shots. This is an old thread. Any new information or current users?

I have been on TRT for 13 years. The first few were IM Test Cyp. Then I went to gels/creams. For some reason, it seems I am not absorbing them as well anymore and I am considering going back to shots.

1/2" 30 guage needle in the upper outer glute...
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I am considering SubQ shots. This is an old thread. Any new information or current users?

I have been on TRT for 13 years. The first few were IM Test Cyp. Then I went to gels/creams. For some reason, it seems I am not absorbing them as well anymore and I am considering going back to shots.

I use this needles and EOD schedule.
I shoot anywhere under any angle as long as needle is in to the hilt.

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You may have developed thyroid problem (over the 13 years), nothing to do with creams/gels.
Thyroid problems may result is skin changes.

Do these tests when you can:
7 Iodine Panel - (2503)
8 Selenium
9 Copper, serum
10 Zinc

27 T3 Free
28 T4,Free
29 reverse T3 (rT3)
30 Ultrasensitive TSH
31 Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies (7260X)

consider also these tests:

17 Iron and Iron Binding Capacity (7573X) - (356N)
18 Iron, Total (571X) - (24984P)
19 Ferritin (457X) - (22764P)
20 Transferrin (891X) - (30346P)
21 Folate, RBC & Hematocrit - (1768N)
22 Hemoglobin A1c (496X) - (45484P)
23 Hemoglobin, Plasma (514X) - (7211P)
 
Huge possible abcess, entire left gluteus maximus.

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My whole left gluteus maximus is hard as hell and swollen bad. Not hot or red but I have a 106.5-107.3 temperature and feel kinda sick. It is swollen from one side to the other, the whole part of the muscle.

This is an old post but was his temperature really 107.3? That's in the lethal range and he was only feeling kinda sick?.
 
5 years subq and never even a hint of an abcess...

Since you have a lot of experience with SubQ, would you please provide the following information for the benefit of all.

1. How much do you inject SubQ and how often?
2. What difference have you noticed between SubQ and IM?
3. Did you have to lower your T Cyp dosage when you went from IM to SubQ to achieve the same T blood levels as IM?
4. Do you use HCG, and if so, what dosage and how often?
5. Do you take anything to control aromatiozation to Estrogen, if so, what do you take, what dosage and how often?
6. What made you switch from IM to SubQ?

Thanks.
 
Since you have a lot of experience with SubQ, would you please provide the following information for the benefit of all.

1. How much do you inject SubQ and how often? .1ml every other day
2. What difference have you noticed between SubQ and IM? no pain, less sweats, even mood
3. Did you have to lower your T Cyp dosage when you went from IM to SubQ to achieve the same T blood levels as IM? went from .7ml to .35ml
4. Do you use HCG, and if so, what dosage and how often? no
5. Do you take anything to control aromatiozation to Estrogen, if so, what do you take, what dosage and how often? dim, 100mgs nightly
6. What made you switch from IM to SubQ? pain, sweats, mood

Thanks.
 
Since you have a lot of experience with SubQ, would you please provide the following information for the benefit of all.

1. How much do you inject SubQ and how often? .1ml every other day
2. What difference have you noticed between SubQ and IM? no pain, less sweats, even mood
3. Did you have to lower your T Cyp dosage when you went from IM to SubQ to achieve the same T blood levels as IM? went from .7ml to .35ml
4. Do you use HCG, and if so, what dosage and how often? no
5. Do you take anything to control aromatiozation to Estrogen, if so, what do you take, what dosage and how often? dim, 100mgs nightly
6. What made you switch from IM to SubQ? pain, sweats, mood

Thanks.

Do you have your last Total T, Free T, E2 and Total E labs with ranges by any chance?

Thanks.
 
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