I don't know. I can ask him. Or you could too. But I suspect he has probably seen the way all sources are attacked here regardless of whether or not they are good or kit or is anyone knows anything. It seems to me it would be largely a waste of time to try to convince people when most seem like they would never be convinced regardless. If I were a source trying to make money I probably wouldn't come here as I think it would be largely counter productive and a waste of time. But that is just my observation. I haven't asked DS about why he isn't on meso.
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Is this legit watson?
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I think if his products were tested by Dr. Jim or whomever on this site and they came back as the package says they are; he would be golden here and would not be able to keep up.
MESO is dying for a good rep. And from the looks of it and the things I have been reading here about DS, I think he would be welcomed by most WKM's (or whatever they are called know). If any of his stuff came back bunk, then there would be trouble for him.
MESO is dying for a good rep. And from the looks of it and the things I have been reading here about DS, I think he would be welcomed by most WKM's (or whatever they are called know). If any of his stuff came back bunk, then there would be trouble for him.
He already has a hard time keeping up his stock with customer demand.
It's not easy to do this business on a large scale the way he does it. That's why sources order bags of powders to make $5 vials of gear in their kitchens that they can sell for $50 or more. Much easier to get that stuff through. Long gone are the days of shipping multiple boxes full of 50 lbs of finished, packaged gear from overseas and having it sail through customs without a look.
The only complaints he seems to get is running out of stock on items. If he got on well here just think how much worse that would be.
That might be partly just me being selfish though.
1) Only deserving sources are "attacked" by those Mean Meso Members your referring to.
Deserving by what standard Jim?
First and foremost analytical lab and blood assays that PROVE they are selling "gear" that is underdosed, no-dosed or contain another AAS from that on the label!
OR those whom have received several complaints from reputable members about a labs delivery problems, pathetic communication, gear contamination or other related quality issues.
OR those UGL whom are unequivocally found lying, fabricating, or propagating some sort of ruse to sell their low quality product.
OR those whom absolutely refuse to comply with Meso's SCOC in any way fashion or form!
OR those that fail to post any evidence they even know WTF they are selling as AAS. (Included are things like HPLCS or LC/MS)
Such as proof the Tren-E raw which was purchased actually contained Tren-E rather than Deca or Test-E at the specified concentration. (Sorry anecdotal world wide reviews just don't cut it here and are not acceptable substitutes)
OR those whom become confrontational, disrespectful of established members or otherwise fail to appreciate the notion they are VISITORS on Meso and that won't change until said UGL has EARNED the credibility they desire to enhance sales.
2) Bc not one NEW UGL which began a sales thread on Meso has lasted more than SIX MONTHS before departing (after SCAMMING Meso members of course) it's no wonder most members remain very skeptical of ANY new lab that prances onto Meso promising a road to AAS GOLD.
They are only exercising due diligence by remaining callused and demand THE LAB prove it's GTG, by insisting a lab post much more than prototypical lip service such as; "trust me", "check my reviews" on some CENSORED board they sponsor or "PM my customers" etc.
3) YEP your probably right only bc Meso mates have LEARNED to simply believe that which we are told is a recipe for disaster and an open invitation we are fair game for any scamming UGL on the WWW.
However should ANY truly legit UGL decide to conduct business in an equitable fashion, Meso is an absolute GOLD MINE!
So rest assured should DS decide to give Meso sales a try he will be treated like any other UGL, fairly, equitably, and with the level of respect he's proven worthy of!
Regs
Jim
I really don't see anywhere in this thread where @ceo pushed any product or vendor... jesus fucking christ- we have some people giving him shit as if he was a schill or rep, amd then we have others giving him shit for not bringing ds over here.
Give it a fucking rest guys- ceo is a decent guy ime. We are acting ridiculous.
Give it a fucking rest guys- ceo is a decent guy ime. We are acting ridiculous.
BigDave
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I have some samples going out for Mass Spec. DS Watson is cheaper than what I pay at the pharmacy for my TRT Rx. I am going to anonymously order some, & if it arrives before I send the samples for testing I will include it as well. I am sure hoping it is gtg, because if it is I would gladly pay $100 a vial all day long for cycles and my TRT.
yeah, anonymous random orders being tested is going to be the best way to confirm this is legit. I am thinking of doing the same as soon as my budget rebounds from the big peptide order I just did. Maybe next month if money is available
BigDave
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Sounds good man. The more testing the better! If I send it off this week I should have results in 10 days. So hopefully before the end of the month.
CEO may be a good guy and your word is good enough for me Brute. But I take umbrage with his comment we at Meso "attack all sources regardless if they are good or not".
Sorry that is a very poor choice of words or is otherwise BULLSHIT, IMO!
Regs
Jim
ironwill1951
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i do not and will not stick up for any source , as brutis said trust no one .however here at meso they are treated as guilty until proven innocent...
Oh, you mean I am not the only one who sees it?
"Source intro thread - hi I'm a source."
"Fuck you! You're a scammer! Show us your Autoclave!"
And if history serves me correctly not ONE UGL has proven that theorem to be an incorrect assumption.
If you know of one POST IT.
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Just kidding. Let me just start with #1 and address the SCOC. If I recall, that means posting pics of the equipment used to make the gear, right?
DS could not begin to comply with that since he does not make any gear. He is not a UGL/lab as you keep referring to him. He has no lab. He buys internationally, imports and resells. He is simply a source/reseller.
So what does he do then ceo?
I'm glad you asked Jim! But unfortunately I don't really know.
I guess he could post pics of his Watson (since Watson is the topic of this thread).
He has done that. Go to his site and see it. Cool right?
Nope. That Watson must be fake!
"But it looks just like my Watson I get from the pharmacy," said several members.
"Then the pic is real Watson, but he is selling fakes!" said meso bros.
"How do we know?"
"We don't for sure but you can't trust anyone. Plus it's on a source website and everyone knows the good sources don't have websites and the source websites are always scammers selling fakes."
"Oh crap! Glad I didn't buy that Watson then. Thanks bros!"
It's already a losing battle.
And all I can do is ask him to come to meso and he will ask is it worth it, and I will say, "If you can put up with a bunch of guys immediately calling you a scammer and accusing you of selling fakes and asking you to send out free gear to have tested on the off chance that you may be legit, but mainly it seems just so they can prove themselves correct, then maybe."
Knowing him he would most likely say something like, "Fuck that."
And I wouldn't blame him. Sorry but that is just how it appears.
SeaVee
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So...is the Watson legit or not? lol
At some point even the most well meaning UGL can have bad luck and get scammed by their Chinese supplier.
I know a lot of UGLs have come through and ended up being scammers or burning out or whatever. Maybe they cut the dose on purpose, or used EQ and prop instead of primo to boost profits. Or maybe they just got a bad batch of raws and someone labmaxed something and primo came back EQ/prop, or whatever. It is silly to think a UGL can HPLCS or LC/MS every batch, let alone probably any batch. When SRCS was doing that up until late 2007, it was easy for anyone to have samples tested for a few hundred dollars ($400 I think? - can't remember exactly), but they can't do it anymore. So who is doing it? Some guy on eroids? Someone always seems to have some hookup. Some UGLs claim to have their stuff tested all the time. Yeah, right.
At least with Test we can do bloodwork, but even here there are people who think they should get results at 10x the dose. I've been on TRT a while and done many blood tests both through my doctor and independently, on my scripted pharma test at different doses and intervals (2,3,4,5,6,7-up to 12 days post injection), and on a few UGLs and pharma stuff from sources. On 200mg, I've never gotten a result of 2,000 ng/dl. Some claim they have. I guess we don't all respond the same. It's not an exact science as I have discovered. I could run 200mg/week and draw blood every week and in 12 weeks I'd be lucky to get the exact same result twice.
But by god if I posted that I got 1300 result on 200mg of test, half the members would say it was underdosed. LOL!
Don't get me wrong, I like meso. I've liked meso since I started coming around the place in the late 90's. I've liked it through all the changes...though this last change (the way the board looks and navigates now) has been an annoying change for me. I'm not saying this is a bad place, but a tough place for any source, for sure.
Right?? LOL!! If anyone says yes they are a shill who took free gear for a fake review and a false positive result.
BigDave
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When I first came here I didn't understand people abusing sources. The reason is very clear to me now. Putting DS aside, because it sounds like he doesn't need more demand and he isn't sourcing here anyway. As far as the rest of the shitbags that have come and gone on Meso...I just think about it from my own perspective and what I would do if I had supply and there was a huge demand here. If I had a good product I could care less if people were rude to me for a few months. Who the hell is that sensitive? You would put up with it, be respectful, & earn respect in return and make a fortune doing so. All the sources that get run off or leave has nothing to do with abusive behavior or people being rude. It has to do with Meso (and all those abusive rude people) holding them accountable with bloods, labmax, mass spec etc. They all just use the "Meso was disrespectful" as a cop out when their shit starts to fall apart. Sounds much better when you are trying to keep your business going because the truth starts getting out when you can talk about disrespect, Meso Sucks, And you left instead of the fact that your product blows. The only thing that bothers me the slightest bit now is that when sources are viciously attacked (which they usually deserve), it does give them a crutch to use when they explain what happened. But everyone has a different style and doesn't bother me much.
And there you have bias. The bias is already set against all sources. Or are you just referring to UGLs?
I dunno. I mean in part I agree. It depends on the patience of the person. If I have a good product and I know it, but one place I am calling on to make sales keeps telling me it's shit and I'm a scammer and send them free product to test, and when it tests good, there will still be skeptics who say the test was bad or the method was bad or the person was paid, etc. I'd probably stop wasting my time and pick up and move on. I've never sourced, but I've done sales for a long time. If I were trying to sell something to a place like that I wouldn't waste much time, because I could be making more sales if I just moved on.
