John Haack Training programme / Gear cycle?

[barbell001]

Okay so unless you've been hiding in a war bunker the last 5 years you'll no doubt know who he is! lol

I've followed his videos for roughly the past 6 years now online, going from a 180lb strong lifter to this now 220 - 225lb absolute bloody monster.

Seen him progress from a 405 Bench to just recently hitting 600lb's and the Deadlift from 700 to over 900 now. Every time I log into my Youtube account this bugger is setting a new PR! He just seems to be getting stronger and stronger and stronger .....

There are various theories about all this including the fact that he was an extremely strong natty in the first place, then he touched SARM's then he went full Roids mode. He must also have a Very good training programme in place too to allow him to continually progress the way he effortlessly does .....

Does anyone on here know what kind of programming he follows currently and the type of gear cycles he runs? I heard rumours of him stating its purely 300mg Test per week and 50mg Adrol per day but this just cannot be true at least not now. When you see him lifting now at least in deads his face looks like he's full of Adrol and not just a tab a day. I've seen him say he hates tren also so there must be more than meets the eye somewhere?!

 

[eery]

Mostly genetics.

I'm sure he has some great people helping him with his programming as well though, but we might not get anywhere with it compared to him.

You could ask him yourself you know.

 

[barbell001]

Mostly genetics.

I'm sure he has some great people helping him with his programming as well though, but we might not get anywhere with it compared to him.

You could ask him yourself you know.

Oh believe me - I've tried! lol

I found an email addy for him and asked, applied to him for personal coaching that he does and tried on Youtube to his account but as you can imagine I got zero response. Even if he were to give away his strategies I can imagine you will be paying an arm and a leg for the knowledge. If you look at his first video of him pressing 495 he isn't that built - definitely doesn't look like he can. I guess you have to remind yourself that even though you could just walk up to him in a gym and ask, he still is 1 in a billion in terms of what he can do. Hence why he is even stronger than the guys in the weight classes above him! When you see these other guys online who around 5'4 and 200 pounds you can understand how its achievable, maybe he has steel robotic insertions for tendons or something.

 

[theotherguy]

I think he told Mark bell he runs 100 test/wk and 50 Adrol/day.

 

[barbell001]

I think he told Mark bell he runs 100 test/wk and 50 Adrol/day.

I've just read in Quora that when Haack pressed 440lb's at 180 he was natural!! Explains things of late a bit more.

 

[theotherguy]

I've just read in Quora that when Haack pressed 440lb's at 180 he was natural!! Explains things of late a bit more.

His insane strength is surely the result of lots of hard work AND great genetics. The gear is the icing on the cake for him, but there is no way he is getting this much stronger on a replacement dose of test. That level (100mg test/wk) is not "performance enhancing" and isn't worth running for that purpose.

 

[barbell001]

His insane strength is surely the result of lots of hard work AND great genetics. The gear is the icing on the cake for him, but there is no way he is getting this much stronger on a replacement dose of test. That level (100mg test/wk) is not "performance enhancing" and isn't worth running for that purpose.

Tbh bud I thought he said 300mg Test to Mark Bell but I may of misheard - still too low for what he can lift and recover from. We can all put in hard work and do, but I find if I put in too much hard work I lose heavy workouts because I cannot recover from it all. NOTHING seems to bother his CNS or tendons in the slightest! LOL

 

[MR_Midas]

Okay so unless you've been hiding in a war bunker the last 5 years you'll no doubt know who he is! lol

I've followed his videos for roughly the past 6 years now online, going from a 180lb strong lifter to this now 220 - 225lb absolute bloody monster.

Seen him progress from a 405 Bench to just recently hitting 600lb's and the Deadlift from 700 to over 900 now. Every time I log into my Youtube account this bugger is setting a new PR! He just seems to be getting stronger and stronger and stronger .....

There are various theories about all this including the fact that he was an extremely strong natty in the first place, then he touched SARM's then he went full Roids mode. He must also have a Very good training programme in place too to allow him to continually progress the way he effortlessly does .....

Does anyone on here know what kind of programming he follows currently and the type of gear cycles he runs? I heard rumours of him stating its purely 300mg Test per week and 50mg Adrol per day but this just cannot be true at least not now. When you see him lifting now at least in deads his face looks like he's full of Adrol and not just a tab a day. I've seen him say he hates tren also so there must be more than meets the eye somewhere?!

John Haack is a monster. I saw his interviews, he said that he was training in a hybrid powerlifting system. Doesn't bother with technique and rely on strength and power. His bench press and deadlift are just space, but the squats, it seems to me, are not very optimal, but he gets up and gets up fucking

 

[MR_Midas]

Mostly genetics.

I'm sure he has some great people helping him with his programming as well though, but we might not get anywhere with it compared to him.

You could ask him yourself you know.

As far as I know, he trains according to the system promoted by Stephanie Cohen, and it seems like they are helped by the same specialists in medicine and sports

 

[MR_Midas]

Oh believe me - I've tried! lol

I found an email addy for him and asked, applied to him for personal coaching that he does and tried on Youtube to his account but as you can imagine I got zero response. Even if he were to give away his strategies I can imagine you will be paying an arm and a leg for the knowledge. If you look at his first video of him pressing 495 he isn't that built - definitely doesn't look like he can. I guess you have to remind yourself that even though you could just walk up to him in a gym and ask, he still is 1 in a billion in terms of what he can do. Hence why he is even stronger than the guys in the weight classes above him! When you see these other guys online who around 5'4 and 200 pounds you can understand how its achievable, maybe he has steel robotic insertions for tendons or something.

I think that his reason for success is not only in some correct training method or drug regimen. I think the guy has definitely talent and super data for this sport, which allows him to progress quickly and as a result he lifts as much as we never dreamed of. I could be wrong. But for me he's a superman from Krypton

 

[barbell001]

As far as I know, he trains according to the system promoted by Stephanie Cohen, and it seems like they are helped by the same specialists in medicine and sports

Do you know where I can find details of this training system mate?

 

[the_unit]

He's mentioned in podcasts how his training has developed. He was coached by Jason Mannenkoff early on and then Joseph Franzo (Joey Flexx) and his current training is an amalgamation of those and previous training. He has then taken the Ed Coan approach and just basically repeats the training with the aim of adding 2.5-5kg to each lift. It is pretty standard stuff, linear periodization, top singles, bench 2-3x per week (1 heavy, 1-2 rep work variation), squat 2x (1 heavy, 1 rep work variation) per week and deadlift 1x I believe.

He's also discussed his PEDs cycles, typically 12 weeks with test base (125-300mg), first 6 weeks anavar last 6 weeks anadrol ~50mg. He normally comes off between cycles but for this prep remained on since quick turn around between meets.

He is also obviously a genetic outlier, as a natural powerlifter he was the best at the time and set significant new records and this trend has carried on in his enhanced carrier to no surprise.

The more important variable you can control and should concern yourself with is your individual response to training and drugs.

 

[eery]

He's mentioned in podcasts how his training has developed. He was coached by Jason Mannenkoff early on and then Joseph Franzo (Joey Flexx) and his current training is an amalgamation of those and previous training. He has then taken the Ed Coan approach and just basically repeats the training with the aim of adding 2.5-5kg to each lift.

He's also discussed his PEDs cycles, typically 12 weeks with test base (125-300mg), first 6 weeks anavar last 6 weeks anadrol ~50mg.

Which podcasts ?

 

[the_unit]

Which podcasts ?

I think mostly on his own podcast (2 bros one shaker), maybe some from the Mark Bell podcast. He also had an AMA on reddit

 

[MFAAS]

He must also have a Very good training programme in place too to allow him to continually progress the way he effortlessly does .....

I highly doubt it is effortless to him. He works hard as he'll. Making it look effortless and actually being effortless are two different things.

 

[barbell001]

I highly doubt it is effortless to him. He works hard as he'll. Making it look effortless and actually being effortless are two different things.

I obviously didn't mean he isn't trying, what I meant is the way he progresses through poundages every week compared to the rest of us he makes it look easy when it isn't.

If your goal is to come in here and post clever ass negative comments like this then I'd rather you didn't comment. This is going to be a positive Powerlifting forum for as long as I'm involved in it where we are all here to help each other progress in our lifting.

 

[the_unit]

I obviously didn't mean he isn't trying, what I meant is the way he progresses through poundages every week compared to the rest of us he makes it look easy when it isn't.

If your goal is to come in here and post clever ass negative comments like this then I'd rather you didn't comment. This is going to be a positive Powerlifting forum for as long as I'm involved in it where we are all here to help each other progress in our lifting.

It does seem like you were fishing for a magic bullet with this thread though. Haack is an outlier, his training and drug regime are incredibly unlikely to change your results/progression.

 

[barbell001]

It does seem like you were fishing for a magic bullet with this thread though. Haack is an outlier, his training and drug regime are incredibly unlikely to change your results/progression.

A magic bullet? By asking if anyone knows his training program and cycle so that I can try it out? Yes of course I want to know - why wouldn't I give it a go.

So going off your defeatist attitude I guess there is no point trying the Ed coan programming or anything else.

Negative guys like you are 10 a penny on forums.

 

[theotherguy]

I obviously didn't mean he isn't trying, what I meant is the way he progresses through poundages every week compared to the rest of us he makes it look easy when it isn't.

If your goal is to come in here and post clever ass negative comments like this then I'd rather you didn't comment. This is going to be a positive Powerlifting forum for as long as I'm involved in it where we are all here to help each other progress in our lifting.

I’m not sure how many of @MFAAS posts you have read, but it’s very rare he tries to be anything other than helpful.

I believe he was trying to not trivialize the work haack is putting in, not that he was trying to be clever or a smart ass. At least that’s how I read his comment

 

[barbell001]

So this is a recommended Bench programme by Ed Coan - As he doesn't explain what to do if this happens, what would I do if say I didn't get a rep in the second set? Would I repeat the sets again the week after until I did or would you just move to the next progression?

Bench*: (example weights)
Max: 275
Goal: 300
*He would use the exact same programming to increase his CBP and Inclines. TnG bench, but paused CBP and Incline.

Week outs:
10: 180x2x10 (~65%x2x10)
9: 190x2x10 (~69%x2x10)
8: 200x2x8 (~73%x2x8)
7: 210x2x8 (~76%x2x8)
6: 230x2x5 (~84%x2x5)
5: 240x2x5 (~87%x2x5)
4: 250x2x3 (~91%x2x3)
3: 260x2x3 (~95%x2x3)
2: 270x2x2 (~98%x2x2)
1: 280x2x2 (~102%x2x2)
Peak: 300x1x1 (109%x1x1)