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[flenser]

The "evidence" should be treated as a claim because the product being tested and the results can be easily manipulated. Representing fraudulent data as legitimate is just as harmful as suppressing valid data, for both the vendor and consumer. I'm in favor of testing but there are limitations to tests results.

I agree this should be treated as a claim, and the possibility of fraudulent or erroneous test results should be considered. The trouble is K has no idea whether the tests I did are correct, because he neither tested them himself nor retained samples against future claims. So it's the ONLY data he's going to get other than blood tests and subjective evaluations, and neither is better than or even as good as labmax for the products in question.

 

[brutus79]

The nolva tested positive for dbol. It did not test positive for nolva. I gues that means he just thought he was doing pct when in fact he was doing a light dbol cycle.

You know regular- I have quite a bit of respect for you... the facts are that I ran the "anadrol" personally for a couple weeks with doses increasing up to 200mg a day with absolutely no effect. I had anadrol from another ugl I used with success in the past and three days at 100 a day had me prcticallt bedridden after 100mg at once pre workout on the third day- I have strong reaction to anadrol... if it is real. I sent the var in for labmax and it failed.... as I knew authenticity of labmax results would be called in to question I have been running at 80mg a day- typically a back pump inducing dose of crippling proportions- and yesterday was day 10. I did frigging squats and deads yesterday with no taurine and no issues. The nolva was used by jb and resulted in gyno flare up and great pumps for pct- due to the aforementioned dbol within. Cialis was taken at quadruple dose by a previous cialis responder with no effect- and one of the loudmouth cocksuckers who keeps haunting my claims told me he had issues with the cialis as well- until he made public claims it was great.

I did not think this was an intentional scam by k- I thought greedy remailer or something. Based on the facts and what I call evidence-
1. Products mentioned were of extremely low quality with off counts and mislabeled compounds... dangerously mislabeled.
2. He says he tests everything, but his response to my claim was to send a DIFFERENT batch out for testing which is suspect a. Because it should have already been tested
B. Because what does a different batch have to do with my batch?
3. Repeated demands I send awat to ecstasy data when they only test compound and not purity, so if 1% compound exists it passes. Worthless and more smoke and mirrors.
4. Two weeks in and karius has not responded to pm's or multiple emails. Absolutely fucking pathetic imo.
5.the wave of people (well two) who supposedly have no financial interests in this fight amd the lengths they went to discredit me and my issues was disturbing to say the least... I know they are not taken too seriously elsewhere, but the silver lining is they permanently discrediteded themselves here.
6. I saw no posts deleted on AB- just a lot of chatter induced to bury the issue posts. TID was guilty of winning the post deletion war by a long shot.

Is my word evidence? Not to you. I am firmly convinced I got fucked and brushed under the rug... and it's truly pathetic this sort of thing is backed by vets and "vip's" that the proper way to go about addressing quality control is to be quiet and notify the source privately so their fuck up to who knows how many people goes largely unknown. With all the facts I have I feel well within my rights to make these claims and state that they are evidence.... and I would love to send some of these dogshit products to someone I trust since the mass spec I am having done will not be believed... and I will not waste my time dealing with italiancocksucker.

 

[bickel29]

Regular - thanks for coming by and replying to this thread.

If JB or Brutus sent in some of the orals they have to someone familiar with Karius's orals, wouldn't it be really obvious whether or not they really were K's orals? And at that point, couldn't they be sent off for testing?

Most importantly, isn't there someone that all parties involved with in this could agree to trust to do this?

It just seems to me that too many people are making this into mystery science theater, when the answers are out there and rather simply achievable.

Behind all the screaming and mud slinging are the rest of us, who just want this resolved. Plain and simple.

It sounds like there are plenty of samples that can be verified as K's, and still be tested by someone trustworthy to both sides.

 

[devildog93]

I don'[t see a mystery in this at all. Brutus has explained everything well enough for me and most others to understand i would think. K sidestepped the issues Brutus had, plain and simple. A guy receiving nolva in place of dbol is pretty fucking serious fellas. We have been talking about harm reduction....well there is a perfect example of something we are trying to avoid. Does it need to be anthrax to get our attention and backing before we pull the pitchforks out? I don't think so.

 

[Big_paul]

Muscle96, although I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said, your comments on this issue have been balanced and fair, and more importantly, respectful. Had IM and Granite taken the same approach as you, I'm positive 99% of the animosity we've seen over the past week would have been avoided. Hopefully, IM and GM will take note and learn from your example.

Regards
CBS

Really

Muscle96, although I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said, your comments on this issue have been balanced and fair, and more importantly, respectful. Had IM and Granite taken the same approach as you, I'm positive 99% of the animosity we've seen over the past week would have been avoided. Hopefully, IM and GM will take note and learn from your example.

Regards
CBS

Respectful conversation goes a long way in settling disputes.

Just the fact he had to send products in to be tested proves he hadnt tested raws in the first place; if he he tested everything like he said he tests everything he should have results for my batch and current batches. Piece. Of. Lying. Shit IMO

 

[Big_paul]

It would suprise me if any ugl has gear that is fully dosed. As long a raws are coming from china things will not change. Guess you have to decide who is best most of the time or who will settle disputes with customers most fairly.
I know for a fact that brutus and jb would not run a scam.

 

[tipdog]

I've been following this and still can't understand why brutus and jb was so vehemently attacked for stating their case. IMHO, their (im and granite) motivation for attacking someone who is trying to help the community is suspect to say the least. Like BP, I'd say that brutus and jb are the least likely to run a scam. What it sounds like to me is that, they were having problems with a product and then were attacked for no good reason.

 

[Big_paul]

If a source is going to source here they understand that their gear will be tested and unless they test it themselves an compensate for underdosed raw this will happen everytime.
If you don't test your. Raw and compesate for low quality raw don't source here.
At the same time expect gear from most ugl to be underdosed some.

 

[flenser]

If a source is going to source here they understand that their gear will be tested and unless they test it themselves an compensate for underdosed raw this will happen everytime.
If you don't test your. Raw and compesate for low quality raw don't source here.
At the same time expect gear from most ugl to be underdosed some.

I would be happy if they just tested it and told us the real concentrations. I would even pay a premium for "certified" concentrations.

 

[Millard]

The "evidence" should be treated as a claim because the product being tested and the results can be easily manipulated. Representing fraudulent data as legitimate is just as harmful as suppressing valid data, for both the vendor and consumer. I'm in favor of testing but there are limitations to tests results.

This is very true. Some people will try to provide fraudulent data just as some will try to suppress valid data. You must always assume there will be bad actors. This is why any data presented should be confirmed. The more confirmations the better.

Whether you think it is equally bad when the consumer is harmed vs. when the vendor is harmed is a matter of opinion. Many consumers may not agree with you.

 

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[devildog93]

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[ItalianMuscle27]

and I will not waste my time dealing with italiancocksucker.

You talking to me, you fucking ex convict? Please tell us how hard is it getting work/job with a child molestation charge on your record? Did you file with the state and are you on the sex offenders list?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You talking to me, you fucking ex convict? Please tell us how hard is it getting work/job with a child molestation charge on your record? Did you file with the state and are you on the sex offenders list?

Is this the only way you try and get an edge on people that call you out? You just make shit up about them?

You commit felonies every week, just because you haven't been caught makes you better than someone else?

 

[eminem93]

You talking to me, you fucking ex convict? Please tell us how hard is it getting work/job with a child molestation charge on your record? Did you file with the state and are you on the sex offenders list?

DUDE HONESTLY JUST GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS FORUM IF YOUR ONLY HERE TO CAUSE GARBAGE,, I COME HERE TO LEARN, GARNER INFORMATION, AND BE A HELPFUL MEMBER.. EITHER BE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OR LEAVE.. PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUIN FORUMS..

I SEE THAT THREAD ABOUT YOU WHERE EVERYONE SAYS U SUCK ASS AND ARE A SHILL OR WHATEVER JUST GTFO YOU GUIDO WANNABE PUSSY

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Is this the only way you try and get an edge on people that call you out? You just make shit up about them?

You commit felonies every week, just because you haven't been caught makes you better than someone else?

You mother fuckers call me out with nothing but lies, and bullshit you cant prove. Prove that I am rep. Prove that I scammed anyone. Prove that I posted up fake HPLC HGH tests. Brutus is an ex con.. You want some proof?